USI Release study on Depression

by Mark Tue Jun 10, 2003 16:37

Not so much USI as the other student union careerist egotistical muppets around the country!

by Magneto Tue Jun 10, 2003 16:44

He is the Black Death.

by Raymond McInerney Tue Jun 10, 2003 18:49

the students how to meditate and encourage them to practice it everybody for 15-20 minutes before they start class.

This should also be available to primary and secondary school students.

There is so much research shown that when people meditate regularly they show a variety of psychological changes such as decreased stress, including decreased anxiety and depression, decreased post-traumatic stress syndrome, and increased self-actualization. Likewise, stress reduction is demonstrated by the sociological changes, such as decreased hostility, increased family harmony.

by Mr Right - SP Tue Jun 10, 2003 23:06

xxx ( college depression ) is related to capitalsim. Thats why we in xxx ( the sp anti prozac group ) believe that meekness and obediance of Joe will win the day.

When the Sp dominated revolution comes, there will be no :

Drinking
Depression
fun

whatsoever

by Gaz - independent libertarian socialist (not in the SP or SWP) Wed Jun 11, 2003 11:04

"( college depression ) is related to capitalsim"
Well thats what the research says..

Emile Durkheim was the first sociologist to really study suicide/depression and some of his concepts do overlap with those of Marx, specifically Durkheims thoery of anomic suicide.

This is a type of suicide related to too low a degree of regulation. As with the anomic division of labour, this can occur when the normal form of the division of labour is disrupted. This can occur either during periods associated with economic depression (stock market crash of the 1930s) or over-rapid economic expansion (celtic tiger). New situations with few norms, the regulative effect of structures is weakened, and the individual may feel rootless. In this situation, an individual may be subject to anomic social currents. People that are freed from constraints become "slaves to their passions", and as a result, according to Durkheim's view, commit a wide range of destructive acts, including killing themselves.

Upon a lack of standards and norms, liberation and cultivation of appetites emerges. As with Marx’s "fetishes of commodities", these appetites reach a limit. if there is nothing to restrain these wants and desires they become insatiable. This is consistent with Marx in that the creatoin of insatiable appetites supports capitalism. The insatiable appetite is important to sustain capitalism, yet, will lead to a perception of failure thus, leading to suicide.

durkheims theory of anomic suicide ties in with Marxs view of capitalism his theory of alienation.

by iosaf Wed Jun 11, 2003 13:51

re: Marx/ Durkheim and suicide.
I feel a Freud, Fromm, Fanon, Jung thread debate could be opened....
¿why do African nations have the lowest suicide rates? ¿is tanathos different in the sunshine?

by Gaz - independent libertarian socialist (cfe personal capacity) Wed Jun 11, 2003 14:04

Ay a debate of the above thinkers would make a change from the usual SP/SWP/SA/State Socialism/Anarchism/Vanguard/Trotsky/Marx/Bakunin debate but indymedia is (supposedly) a place for news not debate

by Ray Wed Jun 11, 2003 14:08

Have the debate right here, right now!
As loong as you don't start a new thread nobody is going to complain.

by Gaz - independent libertarian socialist (cfe personal capacity) Wed Jun 11, 2003 14:16

im a feckin socialist im not gonna sit here and type everything i know about various sociologists theories on suicide. If u really wanna know then use google. http://wwwmindmelt.co.uk/trickcyclists/pdf/Suicide_and_Deliberate_Self_Harm.PDF is a pretty good (not too coherent) document which outlines various theories.

by Ray Wed Jun 11, 2003 14:54

Refers to the moment in the movie when someone says, "Hey guys! Why don't we put on the show right here? Then we'd be able to raise enough money for the youth club!"
In other words, if you want to discuss critical theory, there's nothing stopping you. People may object if you post a new article just for a debate, but they won't object if you use an existing article that's become a discussion of the subject.

by not a rich indymedia kid Wed Jun 11, 2003 15:22

predictibly the rich kids that contribute to indymedia dont care about the third world conditions of our health service. Therefore your post attracted the usual ill informed comments that ensue the odd occasion that an issue that effects the weaker sections of society ends up on indymedia.
Of course they are not dependent on the public health system, daddy buys them their prozac or BUPA pays for it.

by Durutti Wed Jun 11, 2003 16:37

This is widely accepted as being true.

by another idiot Wed Jun 11, 2003 16:57

it is not very often an issue of interest to more than the usual indymedia crew gets an airing, but when it happens you get a fool like the one above making idiotic comments and helping to make indymedia even more detached from real life issues.

by OK - SP Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:44

I think that it is unfortunate that some people with a grudge against the SP come on here and try to sabotage what ha the potential to be a good debate on depressio among young people in this country.

I think that the IMC editors should remove any postings that are clearly designed to shit stir. These people are turning a lot of people off indymedia.

by Magneto Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:58

OK is something else. The SP accuse the Black Bloc of being cop agents, terrorists, fascists and then he gets upset when revenge is taken.

Every article on Indymedia relating to the Labour Party is immediately attacked by OK and his mates. Is that not shit stirring? Should those comments not be deleted?

Does he really think that a different set of rules apply to the SP?

by Magneto Thu Jun 12, 2003 10:59

The first attack in this thread came from a SP member!

by OK - SP Thu Jun 12, 2003 11:40

the first attack was not from an SP member. "Mr Right" is obviously a shit stirrer.

No SP member has claimed that the BB are terrorists, fascists, cops.... What we said was that we don not support the actions of the BB. That doesn't mean we support the cops. An SP member stated that cops did have people in the BB- he gave evidence of this.

I'm entitled to raise criticisms of the Labour Party. I think that the Labour Party have long sold out, they are a capitalist party and dont offer anything to workers and youth of this country. For example on health you want to see the health service run by insurance companies!

Magneto, there is a differnce between shit stirring and raising criticisms and differences.

by Magneto Thu Jun 12, 2003 12:22

'first attack was not from an SP member. "Mr Right" is obviously a shit stirrer.'

The 1st attack was from Mark who is in SP.

"No SP member has claimed that the BB are terrorists, fascists, cops.... What we said was that we don not support the actions of the BB. That doesn't mean we support the cops. "

SP members said the BB were little different from Individual Terrorists - this at a time when Europol are trying to get anti-cap activists classed as terrorists. You also alleged Fascist involvement in BB.

"An SP member stated that cops did have people in the BB- he gave evidence of this."

I saw no evidence. An unnamed person told someone who heard it from someone...

"I'm entitled to raise criticisms of the Labour Party. I think that the Labour Party have long sold out, they are a capitalist party and dont offer anything to workers and youth of this country. "

And equally I am entitled to criticise SP politics. You are reformists who use revolutionary rhetoric. You support the cops over activists. You condemn direct action in IAWM. You refuse to lobby an ICTU Conference in caser it might upset your Bureaucrat pals.

You support the right of Loyalists to parade through Catholic areas. You opposed naming a bursary after Pat Finucane but you supported naming a bursary after a loyalist. You voted in facvour of the British Army having a recruiting stall in QUB.

"For example on health you want to see the health service run by insurance companies!"

Thats a lie as you well know.

"Magneto, there is a differnce between shit stirring and raising criticisms and differences."

Yes, so why use lies like the above?

by OK - SP Thu Jun 12, 2003 16:07

Magneto, I find it amazing how a labour member can lecture us all about revolutionary politics!

You have the cheek to have a go at SP in the IAWM. At least we were a part of it. No SP members said they would support the war with UN backing! On DA, we support Direct Action. We didnt think that DA in the form of pulling down a fence on March 1st was the best tactic. That is a tactical question. What did Labour do on March 1st? You (and Greens & SF) didnt even come to Shannon!

Where were the Labour Party on the blockade of the Dáil? Joe Costelleo argued that we should allow TDs cars out if they were anti-war!
Your TDs and Senators care more about getting home in their cars than participateing in an anti-war demo. You could have used public transport!

Magneto, I know you are going to reply to this. This is my last posting in reply to you on this thread. Every sensable person can see that you are just throwing mud and unsubstantiated allegations.

by Magneto Thu Jun 12, 2003 16:21

'. What did Labour do on March 1st? You (and Greens & SF) didnt even come to Shannon!'

As you well know Labour Party members were at the fence, facing up to the Gardai and Army. At the same time Joe Higgins was calling us virtual warriors, just as your cop pals were arresting 10 of the protesters.

"Where were the Labour Party on the blockade of the Dáil? Joe Costelleo argued that we should allow TDs cars out if they were anti-war!"

Joe was wrong to do so. Again Labour Party members were there, you that. Why do you keep on lying? Labour members are allowed to disagree with their leadership.

If your kiddie group SY publicly disagreed with the SP then they would be dissolved.

'Every sensable person can see that you are just throwing mud and unsubstantiated allegations.'

You are the one who is lying. You lie about the BB, about Shannon, about the blockade of the Dail.

You even lied about Labour Youth. You claimed it was dissolved by Labour HQ. In fact Militant lost the vote at a Labour Youth Conference.

by concentration mentor Thu Jun 12, 2003 16:48

but as is usual with indymedia contributors it has wandered hopelessly off message. What is wrong? can these people not focus on the issue at hand, or do they not understand it and still feel they make unrelated 'comments'

by qwerty Thu Jun 12, 2003 17:31

its true i got a hooker from some SP dude she was crap though. I WAS GREAT