Palestinian rights activists protest outside Egyptian Embassy

by LP Sun Dec 28, 2008 15:00

Of all Arab governments, the Saudis are the most obviously under the cosh of the US, and their mouthpieces will get all the respect they deserve. Fair play to Hamas, at last someone who will stand up to the Kapos. Fatah are an absolute waste of time, lining their pockets while the people they are supposed to represent starve.

by Sean Og Sun Dec 28, 2008 13:14

> The blood of Gaza Business
> Tariq Hamid - Asharq Al Awsat 28 December 2008

Asharq Al Awsat is a major Saudi backed paper
>
> www.aawsat.com/leader.asp?section=3&article=500573&issueno=10988
>
> ...leniency with Hamas made the Arab world a partner in the suffering of
> the
> GAZA Palestinians.
>
> ...Arab states should call a spade a spade...let Hamas bear the
> responsibility if only once.
>

by Sean Og Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:43

THIS is what the out going ISRAELI Prime Minister said a few days ago on ARAB TV CHANNEL

he had no electoral points to make or gains

and HAMAS did NOT listen - they invited a response what could be clearer ?

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hamas Rocket Fire Must Be Stopped -
Israel Prime Minister Ehud Olmert (Al-Arabiya )

Israel Prime Minister Olmert told Al-Arabiya television on Thursday: 25 Dec

Israel withdrew from Gaza approximately three years ago not in order to return to it. Is it the spirit of Islam to kill innocent children? To shoot rockets at kindergartens and at civilians? I do not think that this is the spirit of Islam. Hamas, which does this against the spirit of Islam, is the main reason for your suffering - for all of ours.

I say to you in a last-minute call, you the citizens of Gaza, you can stop it. I know how much you want to get up in the morning to quiet, to take your children to kindergarten or school, the way we do, the way they want to in Sderot and Netivot.

Hamas is the enemy of the residents - not only in Israel but in Gaza. We want to live as good neighbors with Gaza. We do not want to harm you. We will not allow a humanitarian crisis and that you should suffer from a lack of food or medicines. We do not want to fight the Palestinian people, but we will not allow Hamas to strike our children. Do not let the murderers of Hamas, which is acting against the values of Islam, put you in danger.

Hamas is firing at us and at the power station that is supposed to supply electricity to Gaza. Tell them to stop shooting at innocents.

I did not come here to declare war. I intend to reach peace with, not fight, the Palestinians. But Hamas must be stopped - and so it will be. I will not hesitate to use Israel's strength to strike at Hamas and Islamic Jihad.

View Video (Al-Arabiya/BBC)

by Sean Og - Media Analyst Thu Dec 25, 2008 10:04

REPORT IN TODAYS HA ' ARETZ newspaper

Last update - 08:07 25/12/2008

Report: Egypt won't object to short IDF offensive in Gaza

By Avi Issacharoff

Tags: israel news, hamas, gaza

Egypt has informed Israel that it would not object to a limited Israeli military operation in the Gaza Strip, the London-based newspaper Al-Quds al-Arabi reported Wednesday.

The paper claimed that Egyptian Intelligence chief, Omar Suleimanm, met last week with Amos Gilad, the head of the Defense Ministry's diplomatic-security department, and rejected Gilad's request that Cairo use its influence to persuade Hamas to extend a truce with Israel that expired last Friday.

At the same time, the paper said, Suleiman told Gilad that Egypt would not object to a limited Israeli operation in Gaza aimed at toppling the Hamas government.
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According to the report, which has yet to be confirmed by any other source, Cairo is furious with Hamas for having torpedoed Egyptian-sponsored reconciliation talks between the Islamic movement and the rival Fatah party, which controls the West Bank, last month. The paper said that Suleiman accused "Meshal's gang" - a reference to the Damascus-based head of Hamas' political bureau, Khaled Meshal - of behaving arrogantly toward Egypt, and added that there was no choice but "to educate the Hamas leadership - even in Damascus."

The report sparked outraged reactions in Hamas, and the movement's Al-Aqsa television station interviewed several senior Hamas officials who lambasted Egyptian policy.

"Despite the Israeli escalation, there are Arab parties that are interested in a continuation of the siege and the aggression against Gaza," charged one, Sami Abu Zuhri.

by Sean Og Wed Dec 24, 2008 20:47

Hamas members of the Palestinian Legislative Council in Gaza have approved a new bill "to implement Koranic punishments," including hand amputation, crucifixion, corporal punishment and execution.
Drinking, owning or producing wine is punished by 40 lashes, while drinking in public adds three months' imprisonment.
Several laws are directed against Hamas's Palestinian rivals, including a law intended to inhibit non-Hamas negotiators by sentencing to death anyone who was "appointed to negotiate with a foreign government on a Palestinian issue and negotiated against Palestinians' interest."

The following is the description as it appears today on the Al Arabiya website:

http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2008/12/24/62699.html

by Frank Adam - private citizen Tue Dec 23, 2008 21:13

At least Reporter 12 has understood that Egypt does not care a brass farthing about the Palestine - Arabs- never did ! or they would have integrated them in 49-67 or established a proper Palestine Government. Well actually they did put up a brass plate on a door exercise for the Mufti till Nasser sent him to Beirut in 1958; but all the time the real power was the Egyptian military governor and none of the enthusiasts for civil rights and human rights ever peeped a dicky bird all those two decades; but then Nasser quickly turned pro - Soviet so the rights crowd were un-prompted.

Just remember Farooq ("the Crook," as British troops Egypt jeered in their cups) only reason to enter the Palestine war of 1948 was to nab some Palestine for himself not to look small besides the far more justified - and efficient - Abdullah of Jordan whose kingdom was & is the eastern 4/5ths of the original Palestine (San Remo) Mandate. It just points up what sort of a fake up is Palestine that even its partisans in Europe and America continue to refer to Biblical Judea and Samaria as the "West Bank[of the Kingdom of Jordan]" instead of to the Districts of Nablus and Hebron. Incidentally Nablus is the Arabic accent on the Greek Neapolis or Latin accent Naples.

Now what is it about Israel that ignites the hate of those whose objection to occupation and human rights violations only applies to Israel but never squeak about Tibet; Iraq in Iran or Kuwait, Egypt in Yemen, Libya in the Aouzou Strip, or Algeria and Morocco in West Sahara? When are their womenfolk knitting for the other Arab refugees living in squalor aggravated by no birth control, at UN taxpayers'expense along the Algerian border with Morocco?

As for the recorded mechanics and results of sieges, not everybody would be dead by a long chalk given the chiefs of the defenders will feed their partisans, selves and families first. If anybody starves in a siege it is because the defenders can not organise fair rationing - or are deliberately throwing their internal opponents to the wolves first; but evidently some have not read enough history to recognise what is happening while Hamas proves my point by every one of their spokesmen on television being well jowled - above the beard.

It does not stop the fact that the 1948 war was an Arab attempt to kill Israel as much as the 1967 war, and that Israel was entitled to fight back and demolish cleared buildings so as not to have to fight for them again. War is not a blue police operation with cautions, least of all in the Arab culture zone - ask anybody who was in Middle East Forces whether British, French or any other and prove your honesty by making some fuss about the disgraceful manner in which Ron Arad and Gilad Schalit have been denied correspondence and Red Crystal visits.

Now that the Israeli artillery has announced new radars and proved this week they are quick enough to shell the rocketeers red handed will the Reporter 12 and David L be any less outraged that the rocketeers are killed and injured, and where is your outrage at the rocketing of schools not only in Sderot ? but in Ma'alot decades back? and agricultural work along the Syrian border kibbutzim before 1967? and my first memory of the Arab war against Israeli independence is the Scorpion's Pass ambush of the bus to Eilat in March '53.

This war is not a result of Israeli occupation of bits of Palestine since 1967 nor since 1949 . It is plain religious Arab bigotry and big headedness of Arab refusal to accept partition in 1947 - and they could have had a lot more if they had not refused as much in 1937. Nobody has to hate Palestine! They hate themselves! After all the Irish and Americans, and India could unite enough to establish independence and governments.

by David L - IPSC Mon Dec 22, 2008 18:35

When you have this level of callousness, from the likes of 'Frank Adam', what is there to argue about: "'This whole mess could have been over in a month,18 months ago if instead of staying Israel's hand she had stopped all food fuel and medicine then." Absolutely, everyone would have been dead.

Is there anywhere else in the world where genocide is advocated as reasonable policy. What is it about Palestinians that brings out the naked hatred in these people?

Just to repeat - Gaza is still considered occupied territory under international law. Just like any jail, the jailers control the perimeters. Of course in most jails they don't randomly murder the jailed to the applause of people sitting at home over their computers. But that's Israel for you, and that's the supporters of Israel.

by Reproter12 Mon Dec 22, 2008 17:26

Livni currently seeks approval from around the world to carry out mass murder in Gaza in the near future. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/128965
Israel has already been targetting civilians over the last week and more and have so far managed to blow a 46yr old man to pieces in his back garden. Blown to small children off their bicycles and peppered them with shrapnel from head to toe. Blown the legs off a journalist injured another journalist and shattered the legs of a 48 yr old farmer.
None of the victims were close to any Qassam launch sites no Qassams were reported to have ben fired at the time. Just people going about their daily business in Gaza.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article10046.shtml

Apparently, Livni wants to really let fly and knows how some of the countries around the world might get a bit shaky at the knees at the sight of bodies piling up in the Gaza Prison Camp.
This is the same prison camp where the people now have to eat grass and burn bits of rubbish because they have already burnt all their furniture.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east...02890

Egypt has asked that they dont start the massacre for at least two weeks so they can blab away to the Paelstinian Authority about truces and make it look like they give a toss about Gaza. http://www.imemc.org/article/58114

" In a rare public statement Israeli Chief of Staff, Gabi Ashkenazi, told Israeli Army Radio that the biggest obstacle to a major military incursion into the Gaza Strip is the life of captive Israeli soldier, Gilad Shalit, who’s been held captive in Gaza since 2006. "

by Frank Adam - private citizen Mon Dec 22, 2008 17:10

For two nights I have seen al Jazeera and Press TV (alias Iran) start their bulletins crowing that Hamas has terminated the "calm" ie there is a state of open unrestrained war at Hamas say so;
and then descend into self pity and keening mums because Israelis have been quick enough to prang Hamas rocketeers etc!
If your Arab friends do not want casualties do not start! They could be hurt - as deservedly in and since 1948.

Be consistent. What is Israel's obligation to the Gaza Strip when Hamas say in their charter and press releases that they seek the end of the State of Israel? In 1914 - 18 and 1939 - 45 the Allies did NOT supply Germany. The Soviets did till June '41, but NOT once the Germans started roughing them over something wicked. If Egypt is not even at war there why do they not supply food and medicine?

This whole mess could have been over in a month,18 months ago if instead of staying Israel's hand she had stopped all food fuel and medicine then. Now it looks as if that will have to happen anyway in the best traditions of full blown historical sieges. In the macrosphere the pompous might also consider that if Egypt descends to the same Moslem Brothers extremism there is no way it can feed itself without US grain; and no reason for the US to feed a country that just swears destruction at it.

by Mike Novack Mon Dec 22, 2008 15:10

Is your memory so short? Egypt was the occupying power in Gaza from 1949 to 1967. Didn't do very much for the Palestinians then, did they? The Egyptians and Jordanians (occupying the West Bank and East Jerusalem during the same period) killed more Palestinians than the Israelis have done. Nor did they allow the Palestinians to form an independent state.

by Raymond Deane - IPSC Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:55

Well done to all - wish I could have been there!
While Israel bears the primary responsibility for the crimes being committed against the people of Gaza (and the rest of occupied Palestine), the Egyptians must be condemned without reservation for their cowardly obeisance to their US and EU bankers and backers.

by Sean Og Mon Dec 22, 2008 09:48

At last some one has demonstrated in DUBLIN against

a real nasty ANTI DEMOCRATIC regime

the Nasser - Mubarark dynastic monarchy

by Kev - various Sun Dec 21, 2008 19:54

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by Kev - Various Sun Dec 21, 2008 19:52

Some pics from the picket