Galway IPSC : The EU colludes with Israel as Gaza is slowly broke on the Zionist wheel?

by Paddy F. Sun Feb 17, 2008 14:11

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Martha and ?

Hadi

by Paddy F. Sun Feb 17, 2008 14:16

click on pixillated images.

"The Eastside Shams"

by Sean O R Sun Feb 17, 2008 15:36

Please publish list of Israeli goods. Gura maith agaibh

by Mary Kelly Mon Feb 18, 2008 00:07

and photos-very relevant to focus on EU role. Solidarity to The Elsafty family and comarades.

by Paddy F. - IPSC Mon Feb 18, 2008 14:52

Sean.
A comprehensive list of Israeli goods to be boycotted is available on Related Link - below are two extracts.

Marks and Spencer
M&S were the first to introduce Israeli avocados to Britain and specially-bred crustacea from Israel fill the stomach-churning M&S “prawn with mayo” sandwiches. Consumers who care about their physical as well as ethical health should note that most food from Israel is irradiated to lengthen shelf, not human, life. M&S has a long history of involvement with the State of Israel, dating back to its founders’ support for the Balfour Declaration.

Estee Lauder
The Chairman of Estee Lauder International, Ronald Lauder, is a Zionist working with the land-grabbing Jewish National Fund, opposing the right of return for Palestinians.

by Update! - IPSC Mon Feb 18, 2008 18:26

John Holmes, the UN’s top humanitarian official after touring Gaza last Friday has renewed calls for an end to the Israeli blockade of the Gaza Strip: "All this makes for a grim human and humanitarian situation here in Gaza, which means that people are not able to live with the basic dignity to which they are entitled. So what is essentially needed is an opening of the crossings, alot more goods coming in, humanitarian goods but other goods as well, so that people can start to live more normal and more dignified lives.”

Hamas spokesperson Sami Abu Zuhri is after stating that: “Hamas has confirmed that is has no objection to studying the matter (of a ceasefire) if the Israeli occupation commits to stopping all forms of aggression against our Palestinian people and lifts the siege that is imposed on our people.”

by Sceptic Mon Feb 18, 2008 20:55

The headline in this thread is smearing and faultfinding as far as the EU is concerned. The EU is the best friend Palestine has in the international community and has contributed enormous financial and capacity building resources for years. Indeed it was one the earliest entities to do so. Pro Palestine advocates should give it the credit its due. One suspects that the mindset of those likely to become strident pro Palestinian activists is already very anti EU. Some of the names popping up to oppose the Reform Treaty are drearily familiar from the IPSC and other left wing activists’ causes.

by belch Mon Feb 18, 2008 21:11

your subtlety is so un-endearing..........................................

But as usual let u sparse your idiocy & thus discourage you from further nighlty trolling & pretense at opinion & naturally warn all the usual contributors about you too.

What exactly is this "Palestine" you refer to when claiming its best pal & supporter is the EU entity?
Would it be the palestine of biblical reference you effed up a few days ago? Would it, keeping to the subject of the material (not something you ever do), be the territory called the Gaza strip which within the last month you suggested ought be annexed by Egypt?

Figures. Data. Facts. Citation. References. Hard cold Information is what you really need to include in your quotidien drivel. Needless to say you don't do that, because there isn't any such information available to support any one of your eructions.

by avi15 Tue Feb 19, 2008 09:53

The original poster doesn't let the facts hold him back. His 'contribution' is simply a regurgitation of the usual anti-Israel cant, liberally supplied with inflammatory slogans and headlines. As an exercise in ill-tempered, immature invective, it's actually quite good: as a piece of actually useful, even vaguely objective analysis - nulle points, I'm afraid.

Nowhere are we told why Gaza is having to be dealt with by Israeli forces : the mere incessant firing of rockets aimed at Israeli civilians - which is a war crime, nor the sending of suicide bombers to detonate themselves in israeli shopping centres - which is a war crime, nor the attacks and abduction of Israel soldiers guarding the border - which is also a war crime, as when abducted they are not kept in compliance with Geneva convention rules. Nor are we also told the obvious: that Gaza is being used by Iran as an unsinkable assault ship, as part of a strategy to destroy the world's only Jewish state - a state by the way that the glorious UN approved the birth of and continuing existence of.

by The view from Space.... Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:18

Avi,

You're dead right. All parties involved should pay attention to the UN. You can start with the below. Have a quick look at Points 8, 9 and especially 11.

[By the way, there is a protest about the blockade of Gaza in Dublin this Saturday, 23rd. It's linking in with the global network of protests about the situation.

O'Connell Street , at the Spire, 12.30 to 4. Bring your family and friends with flags and placards. Thanks.]

United Nations General Assembly Resolution 194 (III)
11 December 1948

The General Assembly,

Having considered further the situation in Palestine,

1. Expresses its deep appreciation of the progress achieved through the good offices of the late United Nations Mediator in promoting a peaceful adjustment of the future situation of Palestine, for which cause he sacrificed his life; and

Extends its thanks to the Acting Mediator and his staff for their continued efforts and devotion to duty in Palestine;

2. Establishes a Conciliation Commission consisting of three States Members of the United Nations which shall have the following functions:

(a) To assume, in so far as it considers necessary in existing circumstances, the functions given to the United Nations Mediator on Palestine by resolution 182;(S-2) of the General Assembly of 14 May 1948;

(b) To carry out the specific functions and directives given to it by the present resolution and such additional functions and directives as may be given to it by the General Assembly or by the Security Council;

(c) To undertake, upon the request of the Security Council, any of the functions now assigned to the United Nations Mediator on Palestine or to the United Nations Truce Commission by resolutions of the Security Council; upon such request to the Conciliation Commission by the Security Council with respect to all the remaining functions of the United Nations Mediator on Palestine under Security Council resolutions, the office of the Mediator shall be terminated;

3. Decides that a Committee of the Assembly, consisting of China, France, the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics, the United Kingdom and the United States of America, shall present, before the end of the first part of the present session of the General Assembly, for the approval of the Assembly, a proposal concerning the names of the three States which will constitute the Conciliation Commission;

4. Requests the Commission to begin its functions at once, with a view to the establishment of contact between the parties themselves and the Commission at the earliest possible date;

5. Calls upon the Governments and authorities concerned to extend the scope of the negotiations provided for in the Security Council's resolution of 16 November 1948 and to seek agreement by negotiations conducted either with the Conciliation Commission or directly, with a view to the final settlement of all questions outstanding between them;

6. Instructs the Conciliation Commission to take steps to assist the Governments and authorities concerned to achieve a final settlement of all questions outstanding between them;

7. Resolves that the Holy Places - including Nazareth - religious buildings and sites in Palestine should be protected and free access to them assured, in accordance with existing rights and historical practice; that arrangements to this end should be under effective United Nations supervision; that the United Nations Conciliation Commission, in presenting to the fourth regular session of the General Assembly its detailed proposals for a permanent international régime for the territory of Jerusalem, should include recommendations concerning the Holy Places in that territory, that with regard to the Holy Places in the rest of Palestine the Commission should call upon the political authorities of the areas concerned to give appropriate formal guarantees as to the protection of the Holy Places and access to them, and that these undertakings should be presented to the General Assembly for approval;

8. Resolves that, in view of its association with three world religions, the Jerusalem area, including the present municipality of Jerusalem plus the surrounding villages and towns, the most eastern of which shall be Abu Dis; the most southern, Bethlehem, the most western, Ein Karim (including also the built-up area of Motsa); and the most northern Shu'fat, should be accorded special and separate treatment from the rest of Palestine and should be placed under effective United Nations control;

Requests the Security Council to take further steps to ensure the demilitarization of Jerusalem at the earliest possible date;

Instructs the Commission to present to the fourth regular session of the General Assembly detailed proposals for a permanent international régime for the Jerusalem area which will provide for the maximum local autonomy for distinctive groups consistent with the special international status of the Jerusalem area;

The Conciliation Commission is authorized to appoint a United Nations representative, who shall co-operate with the local authorities with respect to the interim administration of the Jerusalem area;

9. Resolves that, pending agreement on more detailed arrangements among the Governments and authorities concerned, the freest possible access to Jerusalem by road, rail or air should be accorded to all inhabitants of Palestine;

Instructs the Conciliation Commission to report immediately to the Security Council, for appropriate action by that organ, any attempt by any party to impede such access;

10. Instructs the Conciliation Commission to seek arrangements among the Governments and authorities concerned which will facilitate the economic development of the area, including arrangements for access to ports and airfields and the use of transportation and communication facilities;

11. Resolves that the refugees wishing to return to their homes and live at peace with their neighbours should be permitted to do so at the earliest practicable date, and that compensation should be paid for the property of those choosing not to return and for loss of or damage to property which, under principles of international law or in equity, should be made good by the Governments or authorities responsible;

Instructs the Conciliation Commission to facilitate the repatriation, resettlement and economic and social rehabilitation of the refugees and the payment of compensation, and to maintain close relations with the Director of the United Nations Relief for Palestine Refugees and, through him, with the appropriate organs and agencies of the United Nations;

12. Authorizes the Conciliation Commission to appoint such subsidiary bodies and to employ such technical experts, acting under its authority, as it may find necessary for the effective discharge of its functions and responsibilities under the present resolution;

The Conciliation Commission will have its official headquarters at Jerusalem. The authorities responsible for maintaining order in Jerusalem will be responsible for taking all measures necessary to ensure the security of the Commission. The Secretary-General will provide a limited number of guards for the protection of the staff and premises of the Commission;

13. Instructs the Conciliation Commission to render progress reports periodically to the Secretary-General for transmission to the Security Council and to the Members of the United Nations;

14. Calls upon all Governments and authorities concerned to co-operate with the Conciliation Commission and to take all possible steps to assist in the implementation of the present resolution;

15. Requests the Secretary-General to provide the necessary staff and facilities and to make appropriate arrangements to provide the necessary funds required in carrying out the terms of the present resolution.

by anon Tue Feb 19, 2008 10:49

im afraid that the pontius pilot poster exposes this protest for what it is,anti semitic.did no one in the protest not think that the poster was in poor taste

by The view from Space.... Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:05

How can calling for adherence to UN laws and Resolutions be anti-semitic? Please explain this in relation to the post. The protest is to stop the current situation and allow food to hungry people. If Avi wants to invoke UN legislation, let him pay attention to ALL UN legislation, not just the stuff he picks and chooses.

by Mr. Man Tue Feb 19, 2008 11:32

The View from Space: I think you are missing anon's point. Yes, calling for adherance to UN laws and resolutions is not anti-semitic. Anon was inferring anti semitism of the whole protest from the percieved anti-semitism of the poster. While I feel the poster is certainly in poor taste and has touches of anti-semitic connotations, I feel that Anon is incorrect in drawing the conclusion that the whole protest was anti-semitic.

by Sceptic Tue Feb 19, 2008 12:14

I did not called for the incorporation of Gaza into Egypt a few days ago and I supplied a link with the relevant statements and metrics so I don’t know what you are on about. This is a forum for independent comment not necessarily left wing/anti Israeli /anti American/anti EU/ pro IRA/pro Castro etc. It is not trolling to give an independent view of the Palestine issue that is at variance with what one might find on a west Belfast wall mural.

The posters on this thread are to merely wrong but the opposite of the truth. The EU is heavily and daily engaged in the Palestine issue, on the ground and with big bucks and enormous technical and other assistance. It is not standing idly by or doing had washing exercise in indifference. It is just false. There is not a shred of truth in it. And of course the ugly anti Semitic theme of some of the posters is apparent and should be condemned. The whole exercise is one in falsity, verbal skull duggery and general junk politics. All the more repulsive for involving very young people in it.

by Punch us Pilot Tue Feb 19, 2008 13:51

Mr Man ,

is there any point in asking you what it is about the poster that you find has "ant-semitic connotations"

by anon Tue Feb 19, 2008 15:30

i wasnt making a point in regard to the nature of the protest (whether it was anti semitic or not).i was referring to the potus pilot poster a direct reference to the "jews killing christ" so popular with anti semites. I just dont see how this reference is applicable to a modern day protest without it having a slanderous conotations towards jewish people when your protest is against the state of isreal rather than a specific religion.

can you argue why this posters is relevant to this protest

by Punch us Tue Feb 19, 2008 16:15

I dont know if your directing that at me or not - but I can certainly answer your question. The poster is relevant in that the EU is doing exactly what the Biblical figure Puntious pilate did when he had a chance to show moral fortitude.

Washing your hands of something is a well-known idiom, it stems precisely from the moment in time when Pilate had the chance to intervene but had not the courage to do so. It is an exact parrallel of the EU in its position of responsibility to the Gazans.

Matthew 27:24
When Pilate saw that the could prevail nothing, but that rather a tumult was made, he took water, and washed his hands before the multitude, saying, I am innocent of the blood of this just person: see ye to it.

Make the relevant insertions above and you will see the EU washing it's hands of Gaza and turning it over to regional political players to be sacraficed.

You are wrong , anon.

by Sceptic Tue Feb 19, 2008 17:41

The analogy is a crazy one. Pilate had ownership of the situation and power. The role of EU is limited to one of diplomatic facilitation, funding of programmes and the like and it does that. It is also just one party to the quartet and not a military power in this sphere. It is very much bound by law and it’s various Council mandates. The middle east in not within its area or a near neighbour unlike the Balkans. The EU is not responsible for the situation in the Middle East – it is a minor player that can help things along especially when they are going well and it has reasonable interlocutors. It certainly cannot do everything nor can it be said that it could be doing more. It has to respect the legal realities like the existence of Israel and work with them. It is more complex than a Galway IPSC poster might suggest. There is not a whit of validity in linking the troubles of Gaza to the EU. The EU is the party that has most genuine goodwill and largess for the Palestinians and least interest for itself in anything save stability. The sources of the problems lie elsewhere and not just in Israel and your totally one sided and indeed ignorant propaganda asserts.

by Punch us Tue Feb 19, 2008 18:24

It's not an analogy, it's an idiom.

by Mr. Man Wed Feb 20, 2008 08:14

Punch Us: While I feel anon addressed this, you seem to be missing the point. Yes it is an idiom that you can use. Jews killed Jesus, Pontius washing his hands of it. Israel killing palestinians, EU washing its hands of it. However, the anti semitic connotations are clear. This is anti semitic as Jewish does not equal Israeli. As I said, I am sure that this wasn't the intention, but it was certainly in bad taste. As Anon pointed out, the 'christ killer' label which is a favorite of anti-semites is a sore point for many Jews. And again, as Anon said, it has "slanderous conotations towards jewish people when your protest is against the state of isreal rather than a specific religion". The choice of material for the Idiom was just in bad taste. Other material could just as easily been used, but this was chosen.

And it seems to me that it is both an analogy and an idiom. An idiom because he is 'washing his hands' and an analogy because of the implied parallels.

by Punch US Wed Feb 20, 2008 10:29

Mr Man,

So your point seems to be that, if you like, you can construe anti-semtic connotations from that poster in this instance if you draw analogies from it and apply them in a way that might cause offence.In this instance however, the "implied Parrallels" are with the EU actions not Israel's.
If the poster had said :"The EU is turning a blind eye to a concentration camp." Then who would the sore point be with, the German's? You do know that is a sore point for Germany. In fact if you want to speak about the sore points, I can assure you the "Christ Killer" thing that you are overwhelmed with in this instance is a far more sore point with Christians than with the Jews. And for all your bluster , it is you who is turning everything on it's head just to find a way to get offended on behalf of the Jewish religious community.

In fact you seem to be completely missing the point.

The EU has washed it's hands of the Gaza Humanitarian crisis. That's a fact! Not a connotation or an inferrence . Why dont you debate that instead of deflecting the legitimate criticism away from its true target, the cowardly Institutions of Europe. Europe having a special responsibility for the region, in that it created the mess in the first place, should be finding this more of a sore point for itself than it appears to be.

by Mr. Man Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:42

Punch US: I recognise that the poster is directed at the EU. I am not missing the point, I deliberately didn't comment on it because I don't know that much about it.

The implied parallels are with both the EU and Israel, otherwise it would not be a parallel, no? I assume the context of the poster is that the Jews (paralleled with Israel) lobbying to get their way with Pontius (paralleled with the EU). This is further reinforced with the crucifiction reference. Again, I must state that I believe that any form of bigotry was not intended. Again, I must state that it only has connotations. You are correct as to the 'sore point' that the 'christ killer' issue is probably bigger with christians. This validates my point. It is because some christians have felt so strongly about this that they persecuted Jews. The difference in 'sore points' between the two is that Jews feel threatened, wheras Christians feel angry.

You are right that this debate only detracts from the intended issue, I just wanted to point out the bad choice in poster material. Primarily because little things like this draw focus away from the issue at hand, just like it is doing now.

by Notimpressed Thu Jan 15, 2009 23:55

This evening approximately 20-25 people created chaos in Marks & Spencer Grafton Street calling for the boycott of Israeli products from the supermarket shelves.
I support the right to protest but the manner in which this evenings protest was undertaken was truly disgraceful.
Prior to the banner drop, most of the members of the protest group had taken a trolley each, filled it up to the top with goods, most I assume being non-israeli goods, and lined up at each check out. Each one waited until the goods had been scanned and bagged and when asked for payment handed the cashier a letter of protest requesting that Israeli goods be removed from M&S. Trolleys and trolleys of food were abandoned - no doubt the contents had to be binned.

This action has done nothing in my eyes to help or work to address the conflict raging in Israel and Gaza. In fact the guerrilla tactics they employed spoke volumes for their cluelessness - seems they have learned the wrong lesson from those they are protesting against.

by Fred Johnston Fri Jan 16, 2009 04:06

I suppose if you were a woman trying (in vain) to find a shop in Gaza that HAD any food you'd abandon your trolley a lot faster when the US-made Israeli bombs rained down on the street . . . .Though by now the number of family members you'd be trying to feed would have been greatly reduced as they disappeared one by one under the rubble of Israeli-destroyed buildings. And the Israelis have blown up the food supplies at the UN base just to make SURE you starve to death . . .
The terrible things people have to put up with in Dublin!