RSF oppose EU constitution

by martin Tue Dec 18, 2007 17:23

rsf is a joke . now it it intends to oppose the coming together of europe in the lisbon treaty. have they read the history of republicanism and the support wolfe tone gave to a confedration of european nations , with napoleonic militaristic methods. they are dinosaurs but unfortunately they command support among some loonies and gun lovers.i urge all socialists , republicans and internationalists to vote ye to lisbon.

by hilly Tue Dec 18, 2007 21:51

The only joke is your response, RSF has got it right on this one without doubt. Their statement is what all the left should be saying.

by Kevin Murphy - 32CSM Thu Dec 20, 2007 14:35 sarmagh32csm at hotmail dot com

While all the points made by RSF are extremely valid, we in the 32CSM believe that all republican groups should have also opposed this treaty on the basis of the British Presence in Ireland and partition. We sent proposals to this effect to other groups.

by Mike - Judean Popular Peoples Front Thu Dec 20, 2007 18:57

"i urge all socialists , republicans and internationalists to vote ye to lisbon"

What about everyone else ?

Anyway for the benefit of us undecides maybe you should actually give us more reasons why you support Lisbon than the fact that the whacked out loonies in RSF are agen it which isint really a strong enough argument to be the sole deciding factor in pushing a floating voter towards the yes camp (although it could certainly be an influencing factor)

by Sceptic Thu Dec 20, 2007 21:39

“THE IMPOSITION OF WATER RATES ON SCHOOLS A RECENT GLARING EXAMPLE OF THE UNACCOUNTABLE POWER OF BRUSSELS.” - Des Dalton
This is not the factual position. The measure in question was adopted only because the EU Council of Ministers, an intergovernmental and therefore democratic body, and the European Parliament, a directly elected democratic body, approved them. Furthermore EU legislation has to be adopted by national parliaments before becoming law. That is a triple democratic process.

THE DEMOCRATICALLY EXPRESSED VIEWS OF THE PEOPLE OF THE 26-COUNTIES WERE IGNORED IN 2001 WHEN THEY REJECTED THE NICE TREATY – Des Dalton
Not true. A materially changed proposal was put to the people and they voted to accept that. Logically if you accept the first Nice result was valid you also have to accept the second result likewise. Ditto the vote on accession in 1972; the Single European Act in 1987 and the Maastricht Treaty in 1992.

IT GOES THROUGH, WRITTEN IN A BACK ROOM, SCRUTINIZED BY NOBODY, SANCTIONED BY NOBODY ELSE, RATIFIED BY ANOTHER NOBODY, AND THIS NOW TAKES PRECEDENCE OVER THE WHOLE OF THE REPUBLICS,"BUREACHT NA H'EIREANN" AND SIGNED SEALED AND DELIVERED. - G.D.Flynn
Not correct on two counts. Firstly, the revised treaty was openly arrived at, not in a back room and it must be scrutinized and ratified by each Member State depending on their constitution. Secondly, the “acquis communautaire” of community law is set above the constitution in certain matters only, that is in those areas where the Community has competence. Not in other respects. That is the essence of poling sovereignty. The basic rights enshrined in the charters of the Council of Europe and the United Nations also take precedence over Bunreacht – do you also object to this or any other international body which creates overriding obligations? The International Criminal Court for instance?

by rsf supporter Fri Dec 21, 2007 21:24

fianna fail and dirty bertie spend millions of euros on the most over the top advertisement campaign i ever witnessed in my life for a yes vote the second time round.every wherei went in the country i had dirty berties big corrupt ugly mug on big massive billboards telling me to vote yes.the fianna fail government refused to recognise the irish peoples decision.democracy my arse.rsf are on the ball again on this one.