PSNI accused of heavy-handed and wrongful arrest

by Aul hand Mon May 14, 2007 13:48

The only reason the securocrats in the PSNI are doing this is because they are trying to frustrate internal cohesion - they know the changes that SF will bring! keep the heads up high ogra - great work being done!

by Patrick Henry Mon May 14, 2007 16:03

Ogra are obviously a committed group of young Republicans. Why therefore are you wasting your energies on a Party like $inn Feign who are are bolstering the continued occupation of our country by being part of a Puppet Government of London.
Ask yourselves, did the Hunger Strikers die for this?
Why not join an up and coming Republican party like Eigiri and do something worthwhile to achieve the Republican ideals they gave their lives for?
The SDLP couldn't change the RUC/PSNI and neither will the shameless $hinners, they're too busy doing u-turns.

by Pete B Mon May 14, 2007 16:23

Now, now your leadership told you to be good boys and girls and support these nice police. I'm surprised Martina or Alex didn't put manners in them for harrassing you kids. They haven't gone away you know, those bad RUC that is.

by J Mon May 14, 2007 16:42

All other supposed Republican groups are pissing against the wind - after 40 years of massive struggle and a popular peace process Sinn Féin are only able to get to this level of support - which is not enough yet to take us to our primary - never mind ultimate objective. But it is way beyond ne other group.

Any group starting now - while SF are delivering a viable alternative are doing nothing but distracting the cause for Freedom and equality!!!!

Wouldn't be surprised if agents are uncovered in some of the new 'republican' groups.........

strange developments these groups.......

Keep up the great work ogra!

by Toe Mon May 14, 2007 17:03

Do you mean agents like Donaldson and Scap sacrificed perhaps to ensure the cooperation of others yet uncovered? After 40 years of wasted lives SF are now a part of the partition of our country. Sure they couldn't even get the name of Derry changed despite the support of 99% of Derry people.
SF are going the same way as the SDLP, NOWHERE.

by Baffled Mon May 14, 2007 17:06

So what is the ultimate objective. Please don't trot out the 32 County Socialist Republic line. You have dropped any pretence to that with the abandonment of your taxation policies. A 32 County Celtic Tiger economy would be a more appropriate tag line. How does supporting the cops in the north and the unionist veto bring the day of unification any closer. As for the rather pathetic attempt at describing other republican groups as agents of the British crown words fail me. Obviously you feel a little insecure at the prospect of others organising. Here was me thinking the IRSP, RSF and eirigi were merely republican micro groups who presented no threat. So what is it Martina, Alex and young Daithí will be doing again this week. Carlsberg don't do irony but if they did......

by Kev86 Mon May 14, 2007 17:09

I am not a SF supporter, but i condemn the harassment of their youth members wholeheartedly.

This has comnpletely gone of target - what about commenting on the brutality of the PSNI!

by Baffled Mon May 14, 2007 17:14

I have no hesitation whatsoever in condemning the actions of the PSNI. It was however your colleague in Sinn Fein who took things off on a tangent by referring to other republicans as agents of the British crown.

by Toe Mon May 14, 2007 17:40

Of course I condemn the brutality of the PSNI, but the leadership of SF seems to be quiet on the issue, not even a utterance from the leadership of Strabane SF. They have to ensure their MLAs aren't kicked out again.

by OK Tue May 15, 2007 02:04

Distractions
by J Mon May 14, 2007 16:42
" Sinn Féin are only able to get to this level of support - which is not enough yet to take us to our primary - never mind ultimate objective. But it is way beyond ne other group.
Any group starting now - while SF are delivering a viable alternative are doing nothing but distracting the cause for Freedom and equality!!!!"
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So SF's support for their policies is not enough for SF's primary or even ultimate goal? So why should I help SF and why would I not move to a new group who remain focused on their primary and ultimate goal rather than massive u turns, "correct" and "middle class" politics, and double speak.

You should have voted for the SDLP for the last 30 + years for atleast they have been consistent with their policies of consent and changing the system thru british constitutaional means.

by H. Hand Tue May 15, 2007 02:32

Oh dear, poor Ogra SF/ IRA complaining about heavy-handed tactics. Have you forgotten how heavy-handed your IRA heroes were when they abducted, tortured and slaughtered the widowed mother-of-ten, Jean Mc Conville, for the perceived crime of comforting a dying soldier who had been shot by IRA terrorists? What a bunch of whinging, hypocritical little psychos you are.

by barry Tue May 15, 2007 20:31

Where were ogra on the 12th for the anti-war demo outside Stormont,why was there no condemnation for the arrests outside Stormont by SF

by Ruairi - ÓSF Tue May 15, 2007 20:47

Ógra activists where at the anti war demo - although it clashed with a vigil to remember Loughgall which was held at Queens Uni - there was an Ógra presence on the day at the anti war rally, and the subsequent protest by city hall, and the peeler barracks.

by Barry Tue May 15, 2007 21:15

Were was the statement from your movement is what im asking,no there was alot happening with your historical not hype day.

by Gan ainm - ABC Belfast Tue May 15, 2007 21:47

Were they in uniform?

by Jimbo Wed May 16, 2007 12:39

Why not complain to the old parent party leadership.
Now they have representation on the policing board they can do something about it (yeah right).

by Anti War Wed May 16, 2007 13:05

Sorry to disappoint you Ruairi but i was at both the protest in Stormont and subsequent protests at the barracks and court and to my knowledge there were no ÓSF members in attendance and there was no certainly no visible Ógra presence. Nor was there a statement issued on their behalf condemning the actions of the peelers on the day which i'm sure had they been there they would have done. As they are well versed in PR i'm sure ógra would not have missed this opportunity to publicise their actions and show that their movement can encompass all opinions. The only public rep to show any genuine concern about the actions of the cops on the day was ironically a young SDLP Councillor from Co. Down. Babs de Brúin appeared at one point to talk to the media but couldn't bring herself to cross the barriers to talk directly to protestors.

by Stormont protestor Wed May 16, 2007 13:52

I was also at those protests and like anti war saw nobody from OSF, i didnt want to mention it earlier in case i was wrong. What are they at? why pretend to be at a protest? Its quite sad, next they will claim to have been at burntollet.
Listen ogra, you are now at where the SDLP youth were ten or so years ago, walking around the snack bar on freshers day with james connolly posters (yes they did it too) and pretending to be socialist. But your leaders want you to grow up on graduation. In case you didnt hear they were socialising with the great and good of bourgeoise Britain as we were getting hammered outside.
Do you really think they will want you coming up to them in a few years and embarrassing them with Danny Morrison qoutes from 1983 as they ponder the various benefits of commonwealth membership.
You are going to cosy up to them sooner or later, either that or you will be pushed, slandered lambasted or worse. So give up the pretence of radicalism now, you are just prolonging the agony and nobody believes you anayway.
Gerry jumped, now you follow.

by Jerry Thu May 17, 2007 01:44

Serves you right when the Brit controlled Gestapo turn on you and all the while big Sinn Fein stand in the wings and pretend not to notice as if they say any thing than the new head of Sinn Fein Dr Paisley might be angry with them. This is the price of your betrayal of the Irish people by selling out to the Brits and sanctioning keeping the North in the hands of the invaders. When paisley has Catholics living as second class citizens with no jobs poor housing and beaten of the street by the ruc just remember you are to blame for taking the liberation back 30 years. All for a few handfuls of silver.

by Patrick Henry Thu May 17, 2007 16:43

One could say that any member of $inn Feign or it's youth wing who gets mistreated by the PSNI deserves all they get for supporting them in the first place, however in regards Ogra I don't go along with that argument as I believe that they are a committed but naive youth who believe everything their leadership tells them.
Hopefully in the course of time they will mature enough to see the error of their ways, especially when the whole deck of cards comes tumbling down around $inn Feign's ears and they are forced at the risk of getting the boot from Stormont to turn a blind eye to human rights violations.
Their silence on this issue is only an example of what is to come.

by Anti-Republican Thu May 17, 2007 18:49

The comments of Republicans here are a blast. Never known to understate their case, the PSNI is now compared lightmindedly to the Gestapo. A tiny bit of over-statement, don't you think? Not to mention an insult to the victims of the Gestapo and the concentration camps. Don't you think you shoudl withdraw the comparison, and apologise for the crassness of making it? What next - are you going to accuse the hated Brits of having a crematorium on the go behind Stormont?

As to setting back the 'liberation' by 30 years, the claim you make for SF's role in the peace process, it is more convincing to say that the Republicans did that themselves. If you have invested a tiny bit of energy in becoming persuaders for unity instead of waging a pointless sectarian war, you might not have intensified feelings against it so strongly.

You embarked on a war which you could never win - no small armed grouping can prevail in the teeth of militant opposition from the overwherlming majority of people living in 'the occupied area', and in the teeth of opposition to your campaign from most of the people (Irish catholics) you were purporting to liberate. It was an impossible prospectus: the 'best' you could ever have achieved was all out civil war, as a Protestant backlash took shape. Don't you remember the UWC strike? Now you rant about betrayal. Like most of those you are intent on liberating, whatever we wish for ourselves, I welcome the peace, and would rather live under this than have violence to no purpose on my streets.

On which point: what price Irish unity? You evidently think that 3700 dead is a price worth paying to achieve your political ends. Would another 3000 disabuse you of that notion? Or what about 100,000? I think you should come clean, and tell us how far you are prepared to go in pursuit of what you call freedom. For me, it is the freedom only of the graveyard - and what we have, however imperfect, is much better than that..

Like most sane people, I don't believe that there is anything left worth killing, dying and going to prison for. Wake up, and smell the roses.

by Patrick Henry Thu May 17, 2007 20:02

Of course we want freedom from violence. Violence has in the past been the wrong way forward but violence was in the most part orchestrated by the Brits using loyalist murderers to terrorise our people, but as usual people ignore this just as they ignore the continued political violence used by the Brits against people thousands of miles away. What disgusts me most is that our so called leaders heap praise on the likes of Blair while ignoring his crimes against woman and children in Iraq and elsewhere.
Oh we're free from violence alright but are we free from the violence of the thugs who now terrorise our streets the drug dealers and joyriders, while our politicians enjoy the good life.
The RUC might not have gassed people but they have been involved in murder.

by Anti-Republican Thu May 17, 2007 20:24

A wee touch of the above there PH - still, glad to hear that you have not supported the IRA campaign as an appropriate or likely to succeed response in the past, and don't believe that its reinvention now would fare any better than it did in the 1970s.