A Call To Our Brothers and Sisters Around the World

by Herschel Grynszpan Sat Apr 22, 2006 01:45

Ahh,

The Red Plague is revealing itself, Dam communists you lost remember ?

by irish1916 - none Sun Apr 23, 2006 06:01

This Pachuco is a nutcase and a hypocrite. I am certain he is Mexican, and Mexico's immigration policy is incredibly strict, you can read about it here (great article):

http://www.vdare.com/awall/education.htm

Pachuco whines of "racism", but he and his ilk doesn't want to discuss Mexico's xenophobic immigration policies, or Mexican anti-white racism. Mexicans have also attacked black inmates multiple times in California jails in the last two months, and Mexican students frequently harass black and white students in southern California.

You can read about Mexican xenophobia and anti-white, anti-black, anti-jewish, and anti-American ideals that Mexican "nationalists" hold on these two sites:

http://www.americanpatrol.com/MECHA/MEChAindex.html

http://www.thetrojanpinata.com/trojnsansfat_005.htm

We have an estimated 15 million illegals in the United States. Most of them are from Mexico. They crossed the US border illegally and now think they should be given citizenship. Meanwhile, millions of would-be immigrants overseas patiently wait their fair turn to come to the US legally.

But self-righteous Mexicans, like this "pachuco" fool, thinks it's OK for Mexicans to cut in line in front of everyone else to become citizens. That's not fair, that's not justice.

Don't support this guy. I have lived in California my entire life. I have seen whole areas turned into sewers because of this massive influx of uneducated, unskilled, and unfriendly so called "workers" from mexico. In fact, over 90% of those most wanted for murder in the state of California are Hispanic. You can do the search for yourself here:

http://justice.hdcdojnet.state.ca.us/wanted/default.asp

Just remember, there are two sides to every story. Don't believe this guy, he's trying to pull the wool over your eyes......

by Capt. Jack White Sun Apr 23, 2006 13:55

I would like firstly to register my offence and disgust at the one calling himself "irish1916" and his racist diatribe. We have heard much about the legacy of 1916 over the past couple of weeks and this is not the place to discuss it any further however suffice to say those who took a stand against imperialism and institutuionalised racism in 1916 would not be very impressed by his invoking their memory.
We cannot blame individuals for Mexican state racism the same as we cannot blame individuals for the institutionalised racism of the USA. Having lived and worked in the US previously I have seen who clears the tables in restaurants and cleans toilets so the white middle classes don't have to get their hands dirty and you've guessed it, it's mostly hispanic people. Also the reason many hispanic people must travel to the United States to work is as a result of international inequality supported by the US and it's allies which systematically deprives them of their resources, forces them into low paid sweat shop or plantation labour and burdens their nations with debt and economic "advice". Conditions inside the US aren't much better for them and as a result of being treated as subhuman and having an illegal status many of them are forced into a life of crime, they also become scapegoats for many other social problems which the authorities don't want to have to deal with. Perhaps the one calling himself "irish1916" would like to look at his own heritage and ask what it is that makes him so much better if he has Irish roots then at some time his forefathers were subjected to the same sort of vindictive intolerance as he himself is so willing to dish out to others. And on another point, being wanted for a crime doesn't make you guilty. The willingness of the police to victimise one section of society doesn't necessarily mean they are the most criminal, it means they are the most disadvantaged. As for incidents of racism by hispanics in California I'm sure if we looked at trhe figures in a balanced manner we would find they are no more racist than any other ethnic group. In my experience the most racist and intolerant people I encountered in the states were Irish-Americans.

by irish1916 Mon Apr 24, 2006 04:43

Captain Jack, you didn't provide any evidence or links to back up any of your claims. Please do so in the future.

To compare large scale, "famine"-induced irish immigration to the massive illegal immigration from Mexico we have experienced here in the US is naive. Firstly, the Irish immigrants were processed, in other words, they came here legally.....the government knew they were here, and allowed them to come.

Those coming from Mexico now are simply sneaking over the border and refuse to wait their fair turn to come to the US. We allow millions to come here legally, but that isn't good enough for them, they don't think they should have to wait. I find it quite striking that you do not seem to care that others overseas are playing by the rules waiting to come here, yet (mainly Mexicans) don't. Do you think it's fair when someone cuts in front of you in line at the grocery store? The Mexicans coming here are not escaping famine, civil war, or religious persecution. They are coming here because the minimum wage in the US is 8 times that of the minimum wage in Mexico. The wages in China, Indonesia, and Nigeria are lower than those in Mexico, but that doesn't mean we should allow every Chinese, Indonesian, and Nigerian worker that wants to come here, immediate entry. Ever heard of labor economics? Do you have any idea what that would do to wages for unskilled and semi-skilled workers in America?

And don't give me that Bush tripe that illegals only do the jobs americans don't want. I travel often for work. Try going to Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Florida, etc etc etc. You will see white and black americans cleaning hotel rooms, washing cars, washing dishes, working in construction and doing all the jobs that george bush says "americans don't want". He is full of crap, and so are you if you believe him. Bush is just a prostitute for big-business (that just wants cheap labor). Just because illegals flood into an area, undercut wages, and then do some jobs, doesn't mean that americans don't do OR won't do, those jobs. Trust me. I've lived in so. calif for over 35 years. All of the so-called "menial jobs" (other than agricultural harvesting) here used to be done by teenagers and semi-retired americans. In most of the US, those jobs STILL ARE done by Americans.

More importantly, the Irish had no territorial ambition or historical grievance with the american people. Many mexicans do have a territorial ambition, and if you had went through the links I had posted, you could have seen some of the hatred directed against americans generally, and white americans in particular. These are not "rogue" elements making racist, hateful statements against Americans, these are mainstream Mexican leaders and academics. Here's a sample: (please do read them...all of them)

QUOTE 1-

"We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. The explosion is in OUR population. They are shitting in their pants with fear. I love it. We’ve got to eliminate the gringo, what I mean by that is if the worst comes to the worst, we have got to kill him."

--Professor Jose Angel Gutierrez, University of Texas, founder of La Raza Unida political party; and beneficiary of American generosity.

QUOTE 2-

We are practicing La Reconquista in California."

--Jose Pescador Osuna, Mexican Consul General

QUOTE 3-

"Remember 187 (proposition to deny taxpayer funds for services to illegals) was the last gasp of white America in California."

--Art Torres, California Democratic Party Chairman

QUOTE 4-

"Go back to Boston! Go back to Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future! You are old and tired. Leave like beaten rats. You old white people. It is your duty to die. . . . Through love of having children, we are going to take over."

--Armando Navarro, professor, University of California

QUOTE 5-

"California is going to be a Hispanic state, and anyone who doesn't like it should leave."

--Mario Obledo

"Eventually we are going to take over all the political institutions of California, and those who don't like it ought go back to Europe."

--Mario Obledo, former California Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare; co-founder of the United Mexican American Legal Defense and Education Fund (MALDEF); recipient of the Presidential Medal of Freedom from President Clinton

QUOTE 6-

"The border remains a military zone. We remain a hunted people. Now you think you have a destiny to fulfill in the land that historically has been ours for forty thousand years. And we're a new Mestizo nation. This is our homeland. We cannot - we will not- and we must not be made illegal in our own homeland. We are not immigrants that came from another country to another country. We are millions. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population."

--Jose Angel Gutierrez, Prof. Univ. Texas at Arlington, founder La Raza Unida Party

QUOTE 7-

The border remains a military zone. We remain a hunted people. Now you think you have a destiny to fulfill in the land that historically has been ours for forty thousand years. And we're a new Mestizo nation. This is our homeland. We cannot - we will not- and we must not be made illegal in our own homeland. We are not immigrants that came from another country to another country. We are millions. We have an aging white America. They are not making babies. They are dying. It's a matter of time. The explosion is in our population."

--Jose Angel Gutierrez, Prof. Univ. Texas at Arlington, founder La Raza Unida Party

QUOTE 8-

"We need more Latinos out there. We must stand up and be counted. We must be together, We must be united. Because if we're not united you know what's going to happen? We're like sticks - we're broken to pieces. Divided we're not together. But as a unit they can't break us. So we've got to come together, and if we're united, si se puede (it can be done) and we will make the changes that are necessary. But we've got to do it. We've got to stand together, and dammit, don't let them divide us because that's what they want to do, is to divide us. And once we're divided we're conquered. But when we look out at the audience and we see, you know, la familia, La Raza (the family, our race), you know, it's a great feeling, isn't it a good feeling? And you know, I started to think about that and it reminded me of a book that we all read and we all heard about, you know, Paul Revere, and when he was saying, 'The British are coming, the British are coming!' Well, the Latinos are coming, the Latinos are coming! And the Latinos are going to vote. So our voices will be heard. So that's what this agenda is about. It's about insuring that we increase our numbers. That we increase our numbers at every level. We talk about the Congressional, we talk about the Senate, we talk about board of supervisors, board of education, city councils, commissions, we have got to increase out numbers because the Latinos are coming. Because what's going on right now, with 187, the CCRI (CA Civil Rights Initiative against affirmative action), and let me tell you, we can't go back, you know, we're in a civil war. But we need to be solidified, we need to come together, we must be strong, because united we form a strong body. United we become solidified, united we make a difference, united we make the changes, united Latinos will win throughout California, let's stick together, que si se puede, que no? (it can be done, right?)

--Joe Baca, former California Assemblyman

QUOTE 9-

"We’re here today to show L.A., show the minority people here, the Anglo-Saxons, that we are here, the majority, we're here to stay. We do the work in this city, we take care of the spoiled brat children, we clean their offices, we pick the food, we do the manufacturing in the factories of L.A., we are the majority here and we are not going to be pushed around. We're here in Westwood, this is the fourth time we've been here in the last two months, to show white Anglo-Saxon Protestant L.A., the few of you who remain, that we are the majority, and we claim this land as ours, it's always been ours, and we're still here, and none of the talk about deporting. If anyone's going to be deported it's going to be you! Go back to Simi Valley, you skunks! Go back to Woodland Hills! Go back to Boston! To back to the Plymouth Rock, Pilgrims! Get out! We are the future. You're old and tired. Go on. We have beaten you, leave like beaten rats. You old white people, it is your duty to die. Even their own ethicists say that they should die, that they have a duty to die. They're taking up too much space, too much air. We are the majority in L.A. There's over seven million Mexicans in L.A. County alone. We are the majority. And you're going to see every day more and more of it, as we manifest as our young people grow up, graduate from high school, go on to college and start taking over this society. The vast majority of our people are under the age of 15 years old. Right now we're already controlling those elections, whether it's by violence or nonviolence. Through love of having children we're going to take over." Other demonstrators: "Raza fuerza (brown race power), this is Aztlan, this is Mexico. They're the pilgrims on our land. Go back to the Nina, the Pinta, the Santa Maria."

--Augustin Cebada, Information Minister of Brown Berets, militant para-military soldiers of Aztlan shouting at U.S. citizens at an Independence Day rally in Los Angeles, 7/4/96

QUOTE 11-

"We need to avoid a white backlash by using codes understood by Latinos. Non-Latinos aren't watching, they aren't raising questions."

--Professor Fernando Guerra,
Loyola Marymount University

QUOTE 12-

"Republica del Norte," which would include the present U.S. states of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas, plus southern Colorado, along with several current Mexican states, is "an inevitability." The new "Hispanic homeland" should be brought into being "by any means necessary."

--Charles Truxillo, professor, University of New Mexico

QUOTE 13-

"The American Southwest seems to be slowly returning to the jurisdiction of Mexico, without firing a single shot."

“Excelsior” The National Newspaper of Mexico

Substitute white for "jew" in those posts above. You would label these people vile, anti-semites. But because they are "only" anti-white, and anti-european, apparently you don't care?????

You said

Christ man, do you ever stop using that victim mentality crap? Again, if you look at the link, there are 59 hispanics on California's most wanted list (and 1 white, 1 black and 2 asians). You don't think this is statistically significant? ALL of the hispanics are wanted for MURDER!

Why do you think it is America's obligation to import poverty? Why do you think we should have open-borders?

And lastly. If you have been to America, you will probably have seen something: chinese, japanese, and korean immigrants, as a whole, are successful within one or two generations. Why is that? If these asian immigrants succeed without so-called affirmative action, and other handouts, why can't mexicans?

If america was so racist, wouldn't all nonwhites fail?

Instead of so called "institutional racism", couldn't it be because of culture, education, or maybe even genetics?

Again, why do asians succeed, when others fail??

by By Any Means Necessary Mon Apr 24, 2006 17:47

You can quote right wing pro-Republican mexicans, part of the ruling elite who use the politics of race to divide workers

Mexico's history is noyt unlike Ireland's in that its economy is kept backward because of its proximoty to an imperialist power.

Send all the illegals back to their country of origin and then we'll see who'll clean your streets or your hospitals, for below the minimum wage?

Legalise all illegals and then there will not be the exploitation of labour by the business class..under cutting wages while happy to make a profit from illegal labour.

Irish1916 xenophobia and racism are the politics of division, your contributions are tainted with these ideologies..the 1916 Proclamation asked for all children of the nation to be treated equally..so start thinking like these revolutionaries of inclusion not like reactionaries of ignorance, which the USA seems to produce on a regular basis.

by irish1916 - none Tue Apr 25, 2006 04:28

It must really be easy to rely on cries of xenophobia and racism to "counter" just criticism. Just cry racism, and you get your way, sigh. But in my book, it's a complete copout.

The only things on the side of the pro-illegal immigration lobby are cliches, distortions, and lies. Fair criticism of illegal immigration is unanswered by logic or reason, but instead met with cries of "racism".

My background is in economics. I have a better-than-average understanding of labor economics. Apparently, you are for open-borders, that is, no limits on immigration. Do you understand what the economic implications of that would be? Do you have any idea of what that would do to wages, and the average American's standard of living?

Your belief in the cult of victimhood is undying, yet flawed. Take for example this statement you made

"Legalise all illegals and then there will not be the exploitation of labour by the business class..under cutting wages while happy to make a profit from illegal labour."

Are you kidding? That is oh so cliche. Let me tell you what would happen if we legalized all the illegals. In 10 years, we would have an additional 30 million illegals here hoping for a future amnesty. Trust me, it's happened before (Reagan gave a similar amnesty in the 1980's), and it will happen again, and again, and again. If there are no penalties for those that break the law, others will continue to break the law. If we strictly enforced our labor laws, instead of letting big business get away with hiring these people, the problem would end. Big business and corporate greed are the biggest part of the problem. However, if we catch anyone in this country illegally, we should fingerprint them and let them know that they will NEVER be able to come to the US legally again. That would give them the incentive to wait their fair turn to come to the US, and not cut in front of the line. We could then make employers check applicants fingerprints to make sure the never came to the US legally in the past.

Wealthy nations have absolutely NO obligation to allow millions of impoverished people to come to their countries. The Japanese and Koreans wouldn't dream of handing over their countries to millions of poor, uneducated mexicans or nigerians, yet people like you expect western european peoples to do just that. Why? Why don't you have a problem with the restrictive immigration laws of Japan, Korea, or say, Mexico? Their immigration laws are much stricter and, as you would probably term them, much more "xenophobic" than those of the US. But you don't single out any countries other than those founded and built by western europeans. Why is your criticism so selective?

Another cliche from you

"Send all the illegals back to their country of origin and then we'll see who'll clean your streets or your hospitals, for below the minimum wage?"

There are litterally hundreds of jobs that the US government tracks. They track all jobs in all industries. Guess what, immigrants do not make up a majority of ANY job category in the US! NOT ONE. Period. Additionally, if you had read my previous post, instead of flying off the handle with your kneejerk reaction, you would have seen that I put your cliched "argument" to rest. Here is what I said again:

"And don't give me that Bush tripe that illegals only do the jobs americans don't want. I travel often for work. Try going to Washington, Oregon, Colorado, Florida, etc etc etc. You will see white and black americans cleaning hotel rooms, washing cars, washing dishes, working in construction and doing all the jobs that george bush says "americans don't want". He is full of crap, and so are you if you believe him. Bush is just a prostitute for big-business (that just wants cheap labor). Just because illegals flood into an area, undercut wages, and then do some jobs, doesn't mean that americans don't do OR won't do, those jobs. Trust me. I've lived in so. calif for over 35 years. All of the so-called "menial jobs" (other than agricultural harvesting) here used to be done by teenagers and semi-retired americans. In most of the US, those jobs STILL ARE done by Americans."

In the future, if you want to debate the economics of massive illegal immigration, or the costs and so called benefits of it, that's cool with me. But please stick to rational arguments and logic, emotion and "feelings" aren't enough to convince me that uncontrolled third world immigration is good.

by By Any Means Necessary Wed Apr 26, 2006 18:18

Open the borders to labour, lets have the free migration of labour as we do of capital.

Why are you Irish 1916 so scared about the third world?

Too many yellow, brown and black people coming your way ?

Legalise all illegal immigrants. The USA has economically and culturally colonised this planet and made it into its own image. Especially in it support for right wing pro-US regimes in South America through out the 20th century.

.illegal immigration to the USA is these foreign policy chickens coming home to roost

Economics is about workers control, not protectionist xenophobic rhetoric from paranoid yanks, who cannot see their history unfolding before them, a result of their own actions and politics..remember the Monroe Doctrine, lets start there.

by blaise Thu Apr 27, 2006 04:55

why even have an Ireland, By Any Means, what's it all about? Just call it a no-zone island to the very west of Europe. This is Ireland. We have a tradition. There is such a thing as an Irishman. Even the greats who lived elsewhere were always Irish to their death - Joyce, O'Casey, Beckett, Shaw. Would they be Irish is they grew up in a cultural mosaic where one's signature is the same as the next? No, I don't think so. There are limits and there should be limits as to how much importation of foreigners this country can handle without losing a handle of who exactly Ireland is. Sure we're changed - in some ways for the better - but also for the worse - but we mustn't lose sight of who we are. Please don't equate the US with Ireland. Have we colonized another country? Are we indebted to every poor country in the world? Haven't we done more than our fair share of missionary work around the world?

by irish1916 - none Fri Apr 28, 2006 08:27

I asked you at least 6 reasonable questions, and you did not answer one of them.

Byanymeansnecessary, please read my last post and respond to the 6 questions I put to you, then I will re-answer your questions.......