Denis Donaldson shot dead

by obit Wed Apr 05, 2006 01:46

Denis Donaldson has been shot in Donegal.
he was 55 years of age.

Rest in Peace.
"May the Lord have mercy on your Soul" was once a traditional line, but we have moved on from that - have we not?

Not one amongst us may answer the questions -
Why?
How much was it, may it have been, could it have been - "worth"?

Enough to know that the Irish peoples were terrorised and terrorised enough and it was a game of mirrors. No more terror means - no more terror and no more who think they are those who judge "why" "how much was it worth".

how much was it worth?

how much could it have been worth?

how much may it have been worth?

by -uary Wed Apr 05, 2006 02:41

I don't decide the order of illustrations.
I condemn this murder.
2 languages
Ná leath do bhrat ach mar is féidir leat a chonlú
Ná leathnaigh do bhrat muna féidir leat á chosaint
they do seem so alike on ocassion but neither are
worth killing or dying for.

what a sordid affair this Good Friday Agreement to crucify the Christ is proving to be.

+ .:. * @

by Seamus Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:37

Well there wont be many in republican circles crying for Donaldson, he got what he deserved will be the general concensus. How many men and women died because of the spying of Donaldson I wonder? And of them, how many were innocently targeted by the UDA/RUC/MI5 murder gangs?

Keep that in mind before shedding a tear for this twisted man.
No doubt it will be used as yet another excuse (if one was needed) to avoid power sharing. The hyprocrites will be chanting the same anti republican tosh while ignoring the massive damage this man was responsible for.

Go dti an diaball leat,
Seamus

by Mise Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:45

But I doubt he was killed for his sins. More likely he was killed to protect a tout further up the command chain.

by hmmm Wed Apr 05, 2006 13:12

After all he probably could not count on the intimidatory protective veil of either of the flags above and gruesome senseless murder is not un-common in these times. Maybe he joined the numbers of those killed to move them on and out of desirable property. Maybe he wasn't killed at all, and its all a fake.
who knows?
Coverage in european mainland commercial press is very small. Tiny little paragraphs nestling away under the continuing De Lay allegations in the US. More than one set of eyes has looked to the "slugger o'toole" site, Mick Fealty has written a piece in the English "The Guardian" blog space -
suggesting whomever did it, wanted to concentrate minds...
http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/mick_fealty/2006/04....html Whilst back on his home territory Mick (the man @ slugger) has seen these interesting pieces from "concentrated minds" :-
http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/...shot/
http://www.sluggerotoole.com/index.php/weblog/comments/...file/
The BBC got around the "double agent" thing, by simply calling him an "irish agent" and then moved it off their breaking news first window changing the "irish agent" to former "Sinn Fein official and British agent". And seemingly Bertie Ahern had warned him to be careful...
who knows?
we'll have to wait a 100 years again. Tell your kids to make a note to check when the files become free.

by tom eile Wed Apr 05, 2006 13:14

The Sunday World did a big expose about three weeks ago giving details of Donaldson's Donegal hideaway. It seemed at the time an open invitation for somebody to come along and shoot him . Given The Sunday World's closeness to the gardai , it's inconceivable that the tabloid wouldn't have been well aware of the danger they were exposing this informer to . Is anybody going to hold the Sunday World to account I wonder.

by Ron Wed Apr 05, 2006 13:23

The murder of Denis Donaldson demonstrates yet again that the criminal mafia of Sinn Fein/IRA has not gone away.

Denis Donaldson was a piece of shit - the British would have had all the justification in the world to knock him off years ago - but they had greater justification to use him instead as an asset to disrupt the IRA's terror campaign.

The dogs in the street know that Sinn Fein/IRA killed him in revenge for his collaboration.

Sinn Fein claims to be a legitimate democratic political party - but it and the IRA are the one and the same organisation.

Gerry Adams was interviewed on television claiming that the perpetrator of the this murder is an enemy of the peace process.

It is Gerry Adams who is the leader of Sinn Fein/IRA and it was he who ordered this murder just as it was he who was responsible for directing the IRA terror campain for more than 30 years.

Gerry Adams is the real enemy of peace on this island.

His goal is to use his private army of thugs to terrorise the Irish people to vote for his party rather than return to the "bad old days" and the terrorise his political opponents.

Denis Donaldson's death will be ignored of course as the two appeasers of terrorism Ahern and Blair sell the people of Ireland down the river.

What kind of united Ireland does Sinn Fein want?

A single party totalitarian state. No more no less.

by UMcBride Wed Apr 05, 2006 13:39

I am reading here today's (Free) Herald AM - "IRA mole murdered in revenge attack" the title screams.
And the article's conclusion? I quote verbatim: " ...Having brought down the Assembly in life, Donaldson's death may now scupper attempts to revive it, with unionists saying the killing casts a shadow over the peace process".

Now I go to the street and ask the dogs around the estate one question: Who does this killing benefit? What political party, what constituency gains from this murder?

One dog says 'The Unionists' . Another stares blankly and mutters :"Is the IRA that stupid?" A dark little one in the corner whines: "Have you ever heard of intelligence services and their death squads"? An Alsatian growls: "Ron here is not thinking straight". I, of course, disagree. Ron knows what's he talking about - he has an anti-Republican agenda, he has no problem stating that! He knows the truth when he sees it.

I am still talking to some other dogs...watch this space for more canine comments

by tom eile Wed Apr 05, 2006 13:40

"Denis Donaldson was a piece of shit - the British would have had all the justification in the world to knock him off years ago ........"
You can't really write things like that and then expect people to take lectures from you about the IRA being undemocratic and thuggish. And don't forget British intelligence controlled the security department of the IRA when outrages such as the Shankill and Eniskillen bombings were taking place.

by Sideshowbob Wed Apr 05, 2006 15:03

Ron, you are a moron of the highest order. Don't waste your time writing garbage on this site. You haven't a clue. To automatically blame the IRA is pathetic considering he worked for a secret service whom he could damage and has already damaged. The IRA wouldn't be so stupid to execute him at this point although he is better off dead as he couldn't show his face anywhere on this island. Go and read some more of the paper called the Irish/British Independent biased piece if rubbish..

by bicriu Wed Apr 05, 2006 15:08

If it was the British security services why haven't other informers like Freddie, and O' Callaghan being killed. Is it because unlike the others they feel Donaldson was of impish character and thus could not be trusted down the line to keep his mouth shut?
perhaps he's not dead at all?
He and Brian Nelson are off in central America sunning themselves.

who knows the the truth might be revealed in 30 years.

by yawn ribbid gurggle Wed Apr 05, 2006 15:43

"Who killed Cock Robin?" "I," said the Sparrow,
"With my bow and arrow, I killed Cock Robin."

"Who saw him die?" "I," said the Fly,
"With my little eye, I saw him die."

"Who caught his blood?" "I," said the Fish,
"With my little dish, I caught his blood."

"Who'll make the shroud?" "I," said the Beetle,
"With my thread and needle, I'll make the shroud."

"Who'll dig his grave?" "I," said the Owl,
"With my pick and shovel, I'll dig his grave."

"Who'll be the parson?" "I," said the Rook,
"With my little book, I'll be the parson."

"Who'll be the clerk?" "I," said the Lark,
"If it's not in the dark, I'll be the clerk."

"Who'll carry the link?" "I," said the Linnet,
"I'll fetch it in a minute, I'll carry the link."

"Who'll be chief mourner?" "I," said the Dove,
"I mourn for my love, I'll be chief mourner."

"Who'll carry the coffin?" "I," said the Kite,
"If it's not through the night, I'll carry the coffin."

"Who'll bear the pall? "We," said the Wren,
"Both the cock and the hen, we'll bear the pall."

"Who'll sing a psalm?" "I," said the Thrush,
"As she sat on a bush, I'll sing a psalm."

"Who'll toll the bell?" "I," said the bull,
"Because I can pull, I'll toll the bell."

All the birds of the air fell a-sighing and a-sobbing,
When they heard the bell toll for poor Cock Robin.

who killed cock robin?

by the Grudge Wed Apr 05, 2006 16:01

Polemic, strains in the community, Tension, impasse,
deadlock, irreconcilable differences underpants conspiracy cohercion misdeeds and skullduggery
what the expert is really faced with are the questions -

will SF and the British security forces ever trust each other again?

How can the Peace process be saved if double agents are murdered and no-one knows by who?

by 4Provinces1Country Wed Apr 05, 2006 16:53

Traitors have always been considered the lowest of the low.
In the long hard struggle for national independence
they have been our greatest handicap.
Let this be a lesson to future Quislings.

The war is not over - it is just an extended ceasefire.

"IRELAND UNFREE SHALL NEVER BE AT PEACE"

by Ron Wed Apr 05, 2006 17:00

I'm a moron am I?
The Emperor has no clothes.
It's plain as the nose on my face.

Why would the British have to gain from killing him?
Nothing. They would have had everything to gain from his continued existence - he tried to disappear but the press tracked him down - was a continual embarrasment to the leadership of Sinn Fein/IRA - he had played them for fools for more than 20 years. As long as Donaldson remained alive he would be a continual source of embarrasment to the "republicans". The tabloids had tracked him down - a book deal was not far behind considering the primitive conditions Donaldson was living in. Perhaps even a movie. Just in time for next years Irish general election perhaps?

Why would the Gardai kill him?

Same reason.

Why would the Loyalist kill him?

Same reason. Besides he was killed in Donegal. Loyalists have never killed anyone in the Republic and they would be stupid to do so now after the IRA's "decomissioning."

The only candidates left are Sinn Fein/IRA.

After the Northern Bank raid, the murder of Robert McCartney, the exposure of British intelligence infiltration and the threatment of Adams during his recent US visit and the raids on Slab Murphy's farm compound had made a mockery of Sinn Fein/IRA.

Adams and co are desperate and have taken the risk that with Donaldson out of the picture the spying damage will fade into history while both governments desperate to get the peace process moving onward will overlook this misdeed.

by 4Provinces1Country Wed Apr 05, 2006 17:30

As in 1916 - The courageous are the few.

In times of struggle there is never a shortage of
whingers and moaners,
Whose only concern are their few grubby pennies
and the traffic on the way home.

Rest assured rob, you are amongst the many,
but NOBODY will be commemorating you
in Ninety years time.

by Emmet Wed Apr 05, 2006 19:08

A human being has been sadistically tortured and murdered and none of the people in this discussion seem to care?

Apparently you people can condemn Iraqi and Palestinian deaths - especially the deaths of those abducted tortured and shot in the head - but when the same happens in supposedly civilised Ireland there is not a squeak?

by British State Killings Throughout Ireland Wed Apr 05, 2006 19:13

"Loyalists have never killed anyone in the Republic" - INCORRECT

Just one example of many:

British Government instigated Dublin Monaghan Bombings - 17th May 1974

by Rt . Hon. Dr. o as if Wed Apr 05, 2006 20:14

More than 24 hours have now passed since the former Sinn Fein adminstration official at the Stormont Assembly who admitted at a Press conference in late 2005 to being an agent of the British security forces was reported as being found murdered in Donegal.

I'll make this simple.

Donegal is in the jurisdiction of Michael mc Dowell. He carries ultimate responsibility for the advice given to the deceased in the final weeks of his life. Why was it not suggested to him to go elsewhere?
(Colombia for example).
Yet it is the Taoiseach Bertie Ahern's words that are reported in international news confirming that the dead man had been told of the serious risk his life was in by the Gardaí. The Taoiseach speaks for the Gardaí now, because this is an important case. Where is big swinging Mickey?

Why did the Minister of justice of Ireland not order garda protection or similar security measures considering the sensitivity of this particular case?

After all, as now the preliminary autopsy reports are filed, and the man is confirmed dead and furthermore to be the "man in question", it does seem to be having political perceptual repercussions of national and international importance. Its the old "agreement wreckers" chestnut again.

Oh yes. Green bottles. http://indymedia.ie/article/73495
I would like to return to game number 4 on that list. - "is the minister of justice an agent?"

RIP.
may the lord have mercy on every soul.

by Ron Wed Apr 05, 2006 20:53

Perhaps the IRA could have saved everyone the trouble and simply not killed him?

The responsibility of Irish citizens is to obey the law that is upheld by Gardai and the Minister For Justice.

by Snuffsaid - Smurf Wed Apr 05, 2006 21:46

1) So we're sopposed to believe that SinnFein are that stupid as to kill the guy? after years of ceasefire and countless efforts to please the establishment while the goal posts get moved every time? why wait so long if they are likely to be blamed anyway?

2) You have noticed that the goalposts get moved everytime, haven't you?

3)Isn't it far more likely that Donaldsons death came about as a result of someone needing to move goal posts?

4) Who is/are that/those person/s more likely to be?

Lets have another list, shall we?

A)British Terror gangs:
(UVF/Loyalist/MI5 /PSNI Special Branch/14th Intelligence Company (Link: http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,,1542080,00.html)

B)Sinn Fein/IRA terror gang?

C)Anti-ceasfire Republican Terror gangs?

C)Other....

The more things change (link:http://aangirfan.blogspot.com/2005/09/professor-paul-wi....html) - the more they stay the same (link :http://www.islamicawakening.com/viewarticle.php?article...=1239)

As Kevin Toolis (Link: http://www.newstatesman.com/Ideas/200406140015) has noted:
The counter-terrorist solution to revolt was always the same: military repression, assassinations, torture programmes and state-licensed killing squads

by Snuffsaid Wed Apr 05, 2006 21:48

that last 'C)' should of course be a 'D)'

by jayzhus Wed Apr 05, 2006 22:07

the county of Donegal? Maybe we should ask CJ Haughey on his deathbed for the list of contacts of known radical and armed elements in the "republican party" FF.

who killed Cock Robin?

by the mammy Wed Apr 05, 2006 22:10

I always liked Albert.

by safe as houses Wed Apr 05, 2006 22:21

But since we're not going to know for the next bit of reapolitik, since Ireland is unique in the EU in that she has no named, accountable, and independent head of the intelligence and security services who may be called before the Oireachtas to give transparent reports on events of national importance.

So.... lets be a bit more creative than the usual knee-jerk :- "twas the IRA / SAS".
Let's blame the government instead.
Thats what you get when Bertie is all sentimental for the warriors of 1916.

Cock Robin is dead. & it was Mc Dowell and Ahern's fault.

sin é.
let that be a lesson to ye all.

Cock Robin's dead of course : Oh yeah had it coming : Is the Peace Process safe?

by Barry Wed Apr 05, 2006 22:21

arms put beyond use

by Judge Dredd Wed Apr 05, 2006 23:27

Not proven.
Given the record of British intelligence work in Ireland (e.g. Dublin/Monaghan), he could just as easily have been killed off by someone from that quarter.
For sure many republicans might have had their reasons to want he to go the way of all informers but the hidden controllers from the murky world of Brit intelligence might have had their reasons too.
There's no conclusive evidence either way in the public domain as yet.
And so for anyone who is not blinded or blinkered by ideological prejudice, the jury must still be out ......

by Judge Dredd Wed Apr 05, 2006 23:33

And given that the "authorities" (whether North or South of the Border or on the "Mainland") have never made any credible attempt to clarify matters like Dublin-Monaghan or the Stormont spy affair, any pronouncements that they care to make in relation to Mr. Donaldson's death need to be taken with a pinch of salt.

by very concerned floating voter Thu Apr 06, 2006 00:10

suspended Stormont. Cock Robin no longer with us.
I am very worried about the peace process.
It keeps me awake at night. I've got obsessive about the effin peace process.
i look at the calender and where before I saw easter eggs, now I only see De Valera in the rolls royce taking salutes, Haughey in the flag draped coffin, poor Albert (should have drunk less coffee) just like Mr Dewer Dewry in Scotland, and yer man from Serbia, Crack cocaine in the blanch, and then at the end of it all in my old age being phsyically abused by some underpaid nurse in some hovel somewhere without beds, and above all -
the Peace Process worry worry worry fret and anxiety.

I want my easter eggs back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
&
I want the easter bunny back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
&
I'm going to write letters till I get them.

thank you for the space

after Cock Robin can the Peace Process be saved?

by fir bolg - na bolgai Thu Apr 06, 2006 00:46

Would everyone agree that the people who organized and carried out the Northern bank robbery were no friends of the Peace process, peace be upon it

by Khalid Thu Apr 06, 2006 11:33

In 1990 Mossad assassinated Gerard Bull who designed an enormous artillery gun capable of firing a telephone box sized projectile into low earth orbit - why? Because it was constructed by Western arms companies who supplied Saddam Hussein. Saddam said he needed the the gun to launch a nuclear weapon at Iran in case of further war - of course now he had his sights on Kuwait and the imperial bully boys didnt like the idea that Saddam would have been capable of standing up to them - so Bull had to die and Saddam was kicked out of Kuwait - all for oil.

It is quite clear a similar political deal has been made in Northern Ireland - both the IRA and British no longer needed Donaldson - he was an embarrasment to them both - for the IRA that for twenty years he ran rings around them - for the British that their dirty tricks for 30 years would finally be exposed.
An "unauthorised" killing by supposed "dissidents" will be the most likely explanation.
Sinn Fein/IRA have sold out the capitalism - evident by the property porfolio of well known members.
Fianna Fail will form a coalition with them after the next election and both can cosy up to the Brits and the Americans - to join in global capitalism and corporate greed.
The trail leads directly to the Israeli embassy - the oil corporations are making oil deals with newly compliant Libya - the removal of Saddam prompted Gaddafi to give up his WMD - and Donaldson new all about terrorist training the North African deserts - he had to go.

The revolution has been sold.

by 4Provinces1Country Thu Apr 06, 2006 16:09

The one thing that struck me most about the establishment reaction to Donaldson's death was
Michael McDowell's refusal to jump up and down and immediately blame republican elements.

In fact his reaction while being interviewed on TV was unnaturally calm.
This leads me to wonder ;
- did he know in advance about this operation and had time to train his face to mimic calm indifference ?
- or is he on some kind of medication after his recent outbursts and incapable of getting excited about anything ?

A lot of people are sick and tired of seeing McDowell's name in headlines for all kinds of stupid stunts
when in fact, he is being paid to deal with the REAL enemies of the Irish people, criminals in organised bands who are only out to help themselves.

Maybe a new Minister of Justice from a truely republican background wouldn't be such a bad idea.
Republicans have done more over the past 25 years to deal with the drug problem in working calss areas than the establishment ever did.

by jon g Fri Apr 07, 2006 01:19

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/gerry_adams/2006/04....html

by Masters Voice Fri Apr 07, 2006 03:40

One must ask why the Sunday World was given the story & by who?

A former special branch officer (RUC) Colin Breen was responsible for the finding and secret filming of Dennis with the Sunday World reporter Hugh Jordan.

Questions Must be asked why did a newspaper expose the location of Dennis & for what reason.

The Sunday World paid Mr Breen £500.00 for the secret footage, Mr Breen then sold it to UTV for £1000.00

Why did the Sunday World not send one of the papers own photographers to take the photos ?,
Why was a former Special Branch RUC officer used for this purpose ?

Wondering With Wespect
MV

by puhlease Fri Apr 07, 2006 04:42

Questions Must be asked why did a newspaper expose the location of Dennis & for what reason

Great story, doh! Notorious informer still living in Ireland under Adams' nose (literally), what paper wouldn't do a story on it, or the location of Scappaticci if they found him! Example Greg Harkin when at the Sunday People chasing the Stakeknife Scappaticci story, should he have not done so?

Sometimes it really is that simple

by Fir bolg - Na bolgai Fri Apr 07, 2006 23:30

how are the republican lads coming on with the Italian lessons? Whats the Italian for 'informer'?

by swords Sat Apr 08, 2006 18:25

mosad you mentioned something about the IRA having a property portfolio -could you elaborate on this -has anyone in the IRA being proved to own loads of property funded by their actions

donaldson was a rat -his death suits nthe unionits and the securocrats and thats where the finger should be pointed -im sure the gaurds wont look to hard if it was the securocrats

by Freddie the rat - cosa nostra - ourselves alone Sat Apr 08, 2006 19:15

Scapitticci .

by Dagda Sat Apr 08, 2006 19:53

for those of you who don't realise intelligence agencies often carry out acts, or encourage their informants to do so, with a view to blaming them on their foe, thus weaking their political objectives and bolstering their own.

With this mind, I wonder if the man who ordered the northern bank robbery did so under orders from his friends in MI5?

anyone recall the littlejohn brothers?

I wonder who is the more senior spy that Donaldson was outed for in order to protect his/her identity?

by judge dredd Sun Apr 09, 2006 15:24

Ex-RUC man helped find Donaldson
http://www.sbpost.ie/post/pages/p/story.aspx-qqqt=NEWS-...1.asp

by Bicriu Wed Apr 12, 2006 15:34

According to Eoghan Harris the British security services don't kill people. He further adds that Only the IRA would have reason to kill Donaldson. Well, that's me convinced.

by Mastres Voice Wed Apr 12, 2006 16:07

FAO: Judge Dredd & Business Post readers

The Tangled Web: Fri Apr 07, 2006 02:40

Ahead of all corporate media
Another Indy first again!!

feck de corporates

with wespect
MV

by richard head Tue Apr 25, 2006 22:34

Re: Sideshowbob, your a idiot eddie fulton was murdered by brit agents in donegall, seamus ludlow in monaghan.

by Barry Tue Apr 25, 2006 23:51

Actually it was Co Louth .