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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23If you are an atheist like me who has no religious beliefs whatsoever then you are an Islamophobe in a Muslim's eyes - I don't like Islam - I think its completely barmy and I don't have to apologise for that and least of all to a hysterical mob.
perhaps you have some rivetting personal accounts to share on how you faced down a lynching?
free speech means having the right to caricature the so called prophet.
do people think that the life of brian should be banned? after all that ofends alot of christians. but then they dont go and riot and burn down embassies.
muhammed was a terrorist and an imperialist who spread his invented religion by conquering other countries. so the caricature of him with a bomb in his turban is appropriate.
christinity should be mocked.
islam should be mocked.
all religions are invented.
all religions should be mocked.
NO gods!
NO masters!
our chief weapons are :-
ruthlessness
surprise
a fanatical devotion to the pope
a-----
ningú espereix el inquisició espanyol
now try and parody 3 islamic sheiks like taht and in 3 sheiks of a lambs tail you'll have muslim mobs burning down indy centres.
Pat C
Free speech means the right to ridicule and mock people, right?
NO DOGS
NO BLACKS
NO IRISH
NO QUEERS
Is this what you mean? Free speech without responsibility or consideration? If you want to be free to stereotype and ridicule millions of people in your superficial way, then you should have no problem about some Muslim attitudes to gay people. You are as intolerant as anything you object to. Also your posts are becoming tediously repetitive. Dominating the comments on Indymedia is more than a little self-important - and very offputting for people who might like to hear what somebody else has to say for a change. Or are we now PatC.ie rather than Indymedia.ie?
you are well named.
islam discriminates against women and gays, that is why i criticiseit. it also wants to control what can be published in the press, that is why i criticise.
islam considers women and gays to be worth the same as dogs.
. "Also your posts are becoming tediously repetitive. "
so are the posts in favour of islam having the right to censor the press. when they stop, i'll stop.
"Dominating the comments on Indymedia is more than a little self-important - "
not at all, in democratic debate its known as the right to reply. something that islamophiles dont believe in.
"and very offputting for people who might like to hear what somebody else has to say for a change."
nobody is stopped from replying on indymedia, provided you dont get abusive. you have been deleted in the past for your lies and abuse. your comment above is borderline.
criticising religion is not abuse.
pointing out that the so-called polygmous pedophileprophet muhammed was a terrorist and imperialist is merely pointing out historical fact.
still waiting to hear if you want to ban the life of brian.
i wonder what my critics have ever done to fight racism? i am prepared to confront racists by any means necessary and have done so.
what i wont do is surrender to islam. islam is just as evil as catholicism. more evil actually, you wont find very many catholics who believe that gays or adulterouswomen should be stoned to death. yet those beliefs are part of mainstream islamic belief. wherever the mullahs get into power they impose the sharia.
heres a piece from tom paine, its as relevant today as it ever was.
"All national institutions of churchs whether Jewish, Christian or Turkish, appear to me no other than human inventions, set up to terrify and enslave mankind, and monopolise power and profit"
Tom Paine
The Age of Reason, 1793.
He's good at it too.
you are the troll.
i'll continue to stand up for democratic rights, for womens rights, for gay rights.
you can continue to lick the boots of the mullahs who would enslave us all.
No gods!
No masters!
Gays discriminate against women.
Women discriminate against gays.
Communists can be murderers, as can anarchists, catholics, jews, buddhists, muslims etc etc. Those parts of the muslim faith that are oppressive deserve to be discredited and exposed - rationally. The rest of it should not be lumped in with that. The greater part of what muslims believe is actually peaceful and constructive - a point which you ought to respect if you are genuine about being fair. It is a system of belief - good and bad - just like your own. You preach crude hatred - bordering on voilent - as dangerous as anything you have ever objected to on your own account. I strongly object to your commentary as profoundly racist and offensive. The problem with strident, self-righteous people like you is that you imagine your own subjective opinions are the same thing as absolute truth. You continue to make an embarassing spectacle of yourself with this ranting. And posting several comments to everyone else's one is utterly selfish. Repetition wont validate your opinion or make it any more convincing to the rest of us - the opposite in fact.
I just don't ascribe 'evil' over and over to whole religions for a cheap row on the internet.
what you post is simple but not truth.
"Gays discriminate against women."
individuals may but not as a group.
"Women discriminate against gays."
individuals may but not as a group.
islam as areligion discriminates against women and gays.
"Those parts of the muslim faith that are oppressive deserve to be discredited and exposed - rationally. "
agreed.
"The rest of it should not be lumped in with that."
i#ll stop lumping it in together whenthe liberal muslims split from the fanatics.
"The greater part of what muslims believe is actually peaceful and constructive - a point which you ought to respect if you are genuine about being fair. "
its not its an evil litany thatdominates all aspects of life.
" You preach crude hatred - bordering on voilent - as dangerous as anything you have ever objected to on your own account. "
i dont preach hatred/ i preach fight back against islamofascists.
"I strongly object to your commentary as profoundly racist and offensive. "
religion is not race. how could it be racist to criticise religion? am i racist if i criticise christianity?
come out from behind your mask and say that to my face! but you wouldnt, you islamophile coward!
"Repetition wont validate your opinion or make it any more convincing to the rest of us - the opposite in fact. "
same goes for you and eek etc.
you have decided that defending islam is more important than gay and womens rights.
Heres a piece from a WSM article on Islam. I guess some will think that this is racist as well.
"Islam in general believes that no "division between matters social, political and religious should exist." The idea of Islamic government and Islamic law is not something confined to what is called 'Islamic fundamentalism' but is an expected belief of all Muslims. Under Shari'a (Islamic) law the penalty for Apostasy (Muslims who reject Islam, for instance they "might state that the universe has always existed from eternity"), is execution for men and life imprisonment for women. So, if anything, Islam today attempts to maintain a much tighter control of the thoughts in people's heads than Christianity has done since the time of Galileo.
Islam insists that the Quran is almost entirely a document dictated by God to Muhammad. Like most 'holy books' it is full of absurdities and cruelties which are well documented on the web by Muslim apostates. For instance in Quran 5:33 God commands "The only reward of those who make war upon Allah and His messenger and strive after corruption in the land will be that they will be killed or crucified, or have their hands and feet on alternate sides cut off, or will be expelled out of the land." God also dictates that women are second class citizens, in Quran 4:34 he dictates "Men are in charge of women, because Allah has made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion andmonish them and banish them to beds apart, and scourge them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.""
How dare they write such things about Islam! The fact that its true makes it more racist!
It means that everyone no matter who they are is entitled to their opinion/
I despise homophobes - but that does not mean I should be entitled to prevent homophobes from insulting gays.
I despise nazis- but that does not mean I should stop David Irving from denying the holocaust.
I despise Islamic fundementalists - but that does not mean I should stop them from preaching hate.
what I can do is stop homphobes from physically attacking gay.
I can stop David Irving from physically attacking Jews.
And I can go to war with Islamic fundementalists who blow up buses full of Jews, demolish skyscrapers with hijacked airliners and bomb their terrorist training camps.
any chance of the islamophiles condemning this? i wont hold my breath.
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Nigerian Muslim protestors burn churches, kill priest
Lagos, Nigeria, 02/20 - At least one Catholic priest was killed and several churches set ablaze Saturday during a protest by Muslims in two predominantly-Muslim Nigerian states over the cartoons of the prophet Mohamed, the local press reported.
Unconfirmed reports said the death toll from the protests in the northern Borno and Katsina states had risen from three to over a dozen.
The private Guardian newspaper quoted a spokesman for the Catholic Secretariat of Nigeria, Rev. Fr. George Ehusani, as saying that Rev. Fr. Michael of the Maiduguri Diocese was burnt in his apartment while the residence of the Bishop of the Diocese was set on fire.
i see agent p. got tired of debating pat c. after a brief exchange doesn't take long to realise he does'nt listen to anyone does it?
Number 2 is partially just guess work on my part Pat, but from your perspective:
1. Nigerian Muslims burn churches, kill priest = bad.
2. Spanish anarchists burn churches, kill priests = good?
3. German Nazis burn synagogues, kill rabbis = bad.
4. Libyan soldiers prevent burning of embassy, kill "mullahs' lackeys" = good.
If all religion is evil from your point of view, particularly the ones that discriminate against women and gays (like there's another kind?), then why differentiate?
For example: "Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the assembly, being himself the savior of the body. But as the assembly is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their own husbands in everything." - quote by St.Paul, one of the early Christians' top boys. Hardly a charter for equality, is it?
If you were being consistent in your opposition to discrimination, you actually ought to rejoice that a Catholic priest has gone off to meet the great misogynist in the sky.
So how come it's just Islam that seems to draw down the wrath of Pat? Answer that one and then maybe we'll get around to the subject of gay Muslims.
If Indymedia Ireland can publish pictures of the Pope in Nazi uniform and pictures of Michael McDowell in Nazi uniform, we - catholics, jews, muslims, proddies, and the rest accept that as freedom of speech. But if we see a picture of a so-called paedophile prophet people are murdered and that's acceptable because their sensibiltiies were offended? What utter bollox.
Stone me, a cartoonist!
it is a pleasure to debate with you.
afaiaa the nigerian priest wasnt hurting anyone, yet he was burned alive by islamic fundamentalists.
the spanish priests had actively suppressed the people, in some cases they even led fasccist groups, thats why they were dealt with.
i dont think it is rational however to compare the killing of rabbis by thenazis to the killing of islamic fundamentalists by libyan troops. i dont believe the rabbis were harming anyone and i'm sure that you dont think so either.
the attack on the embassy by the fundiesin libya is part of an ongoing campaign to overthrow the gadaffi regime ( i wouldnt mind if this was by democrats, but these guys want to bring in a theocratic state).
"If all religion is evil from your point of view, particularly the ones that discriminate against women and gays (like there's another kind?), then why differentiate?
"For example: "Wives, be subject to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife, and Christ also is the head of the assembly, being himself the savior of the body. But as the assembly is subject to Christ, so let the wives also be to their own husbands in everything." - quote by St.Paul, one of the early Christians' top boys. Hardly a charter for equality, is it? "
i agree. and i also condemn christianity. i have done so throughout this debate.
"If you were being consistent in your opposition to discrimination, you actually ought to rejoice that a Catholic priest has gone off to meet the great misogynist in the sky. "
no, because he wasnt actively doing anything to harm anyone. if he was leader of a rightwingmilitia, i would rejoice.
"So how come it's just Islam that seems to draw down the wrath of Pat?"
it isnt. i condemn catholicism.
the vatican is responsible for countlessdeaths due to its ban on condoms.
i have an introduction to another article in other press where i list 5 other religions as well as islam that act in nutty ways regarding health.
"The Hidden Dangers of Fundamentalism" is at the link below.
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/74275
good stuff! please supply more.
but you forgot something.. danish pastries are now called roses of the (so called) prophet muhammed!
i presume from your comments that you support the muslim mob who burned the priest to death. its interesting that none of the islamophiles can find it within themselves to utter even a single word of regret at this man being burned alive. yet they get quite exercised about a couple of cartoons or at any criticism of islam.
a bunch of hypocrites.