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category dublin | rights, freedoms and repression | press release author Wednesday November 16, 2005 10:10author by Seán Ó hAdhmaill - Na Gaeil Ógaauthor email nagaeiloga at gmail dot com Report this post to the editors

Ar son an Saineolais agus i gcoinne an aineolais

Beidh agóid mhóir ag na Gaeil Óga lasmuigh d’ardoifig Fhine Gael inniu i gcoinne ráiteas Enda Kenny ag an deireadh seachtaine.

English version below
Le Foilsiú Láithreach

Beidh agóid mhóir ag na Gaeil Óga lasmuigh d’ardoifig Fhine Gael inniu i gcoinne ráiteas Enda Kenny ag an deireadh seachtaine. D’fhógair Enda Kenny go raibh sé toilteannach fáil réidh leis an Gaeilge mar ábhar riachtanach don Ardteist feasta.

Tá an agóid seo eagraithe ag na Gaeil Óga agus tá tacaíocht faighte againn don agóid ó Chonradh na Gaeilge, Aontas na Macléinn, Ollscoil na Tríonóide agus gach Cumann Gaelach i ngach Coláiste i mBaile Átha Cliath agus níos faide. Chomh maith le sin, tá tacaíocht faighte againn ó Aontas na Macléinn in Éirinn, Aontas na Macléinn Iarbhunscoile, agus méid shuntasach eagrais Ghaeilge agus dáltaí scoile.

Beidh Daithí Mac Cárthaigh (Conradh na Gaeilge) agus Seán Ó hAdhmaill (Na Gaeil Óga) ag tabhairt na céadta litreacha gearáin leo ar an agóid. Tabharfar isteach iad go Ceanncheathrú Fhine Gael ag an agóid.

Dar le Ciarán Mac Fhearghusa, Cathaoirleach Na Gaeil Óga,
“Téann sé seo i gcoinne thraidisiún Fhine Gael, i gcoinne na Gaeilge agus Gaeilgeoirí na tíre. Má ghlactar leis an bpolasaí seo déanfar imeallú ar an nGaeilge agus ar na teangacha staidéartha eile sa chóras oideachais, rud a théann i gcoinne pholasaí Chomhairle na hEorpa, an A.E., agus ghnáth-mheon phobal na hÉireann.

Lean Mac Fhearghusa,
“Tá go leor bunfhadhbanna leis an ráiteas seo, mar shampla:
1. Ní réiteofaí fadhbanna maidir le múineadh na Gaeilge sna córais oideachais ar an oileán seo trí riachtanacht na Gaeilge a bhaint amach as córas oideachas dheisceart na hÉireann. Táthar ag déanamh athbhreithnithe ar an gcuraclam matamaitice, ní ag fáil réidh leis – cén fáth nach nglacann Fine Gael an dearcadh dearfach nuálach céanna i leith na Gaeilge – teanga ársa dhúchasach na tíre agus an tseoid chultúir is luachmhaire agus is saibhre dá bhfuil ag Éirinn?
2. Is iomaí scoil a d’éireodh as Gaeilge a mhúineadh don Ardteist ar fad, rud a bhfágfadh nach mbeadh an deis ag gach scoláire cumas mhaith a bhaint amach sa Ghaeilge, gan fiú trácht ar srianadh a dhéanamh ar dheiseanna poist san AE tar éis stadás.
3. D’ísleodh stádas na teanga i meon an phobail agus go háirithe i measc an aosa óig, rud a mbainfí ón sár-obair dhearfach a bhfuil déanta ar son na Gaeilge le blianta beaga anuas.

“Tá fadhbanna móra leis na córais oideachais agus an tslí ina ndeileáiltear leis an Ghaeilge lastaigh dóibh siúd. Níl réiteach na faidhbe sa mhéid a bhí le rá ag Enda Kenny, agus ní ghlacfar le haon ísliú i stádas na teanga. Tá sé de cheart go mbeadh an deis ag chuile dhuine ardchumas sa Ghaeilge a bhaint amach ar scoil ar shlí thaitneamhach rud nach bhfuil curtha ar fáil ag aon Rialtas go dtí seo.”

“Tús mhaith le réiteach na faidhbe ná moltaí Chonradh na Gaeilge i leith foghlaim teangacha:
1+1+1: Ardchumas i 3 theanga – Ag Fíorú na hAislinge Eorpaí
1. Cuirtear múinteoirí teanga idir bhun-mhúinteoirí agus mhúinteoirí dara leibhéil ar chúrsa tumoideachais bliana i ndúiche na teanga sin mar chuid dá n-oiliúint.
2. Múintear ábhar amháin de bhreis ar an nGaeilge féin trí Ghaeilge do gach scoláire.
3. Múintear ábhar amháin trí theanga ón iasacht do gach scoláire dara leibhéil.
• Beachtaítear siollabas Gaeilge (1) don chainteoir dúchais agus (2) don fhoghlaimeoir.
• Beachtaítear dianchúrsaí feabhais sa Ghaeilge don dalta a bhí ar scoil thar lear.
• Beachtaítear scrúduithe Stáit i mórtheangacha na bpobal inimirceach.”

“Seasann Na Gaeil Óga ar son saineolais agus i gcoinne aineolais.”

Beidh agóid ag Na Gaeil Óga lasmuigh de oifigí Fhine Gael ag a 1.30i.n. ar an gCéadaoin, 16 Deireadh Fómhair 2005.
CRÍOCH.

For Immediate Release

There will be a moajor protest outside of the Fine Gael Headquarters today against the statement made by Enda Kenny on the weekend. Enda Kenny announced that he was willing to get rid of Irish as a compulsory subject.

Although the protest is organised by the Gaeil Óga, and we have support for the protest from Conradh na Gaeilge, Trinity College, and every Cumann Gaelach in every College in Dublin and further afield. We have also received support from the Union of Students in Ireland, Union of Secondry Students and a large number of Irish Language organisations.

Seán Ó hAdhmaill (Na Gaeil Óga) and Daithí Mac Carthaigh (Conradh na Gaeilge) will hand hundreds of signed letters of compliant for the attention of Enda Kennt at Fine Gael Headquarters during the protest.

According to Ciarán Mac Fhearghusa, Chairperson of Na Gaeil Óga, the Irish language pressure group, set up to promote the Irish amongst young people,
“This goes against Fine Gael tradition and if implemented will marginalise not only Irish but other langauges in our education system, which conflicts with the aims of the EU, the Council of Europe and the attitude of the general population.

Mac Fhearghusa continues,
“There a number of basic problems with what Mr. Kenny is proposing, for example,
1. Ending compulsory Irish after Junior Cert will not rectify the problems in the education systems on this Island in relation to Irish. The Irish government is looking at improving the maths curriculum, fixing problems rather than doing away with the subject altogether - why can’t Fine Gael adopt the same positive and innovative approach to Irish – the ancient and native language of Ireland and it’s most precious and unique cultural asset?
2. Were a student obliged to choose between Irish and a subject necessary for his/her career (such as biologly or chemistry in the case of medicine) that student would be denied the choice to study Irish.
3. Many schools would discontinue offering Irish at Leaving Cert level, to the linguistic detriment of Irish pupils and employment prospects in the EU after STADÁS.
4. Such a policy would mean that the Irish language could suffer from a reduction in the status of the language within Irish society, undoing much of the great work done in reviving the Irish language in recent years.

“We are under no illusion of the huge problems in the way Irish is dealt with within Ireland’s education systems. However, the current situation will not be rectified by Enda Kenny’s comments on ending compulsory Irish post-junior cert, and we are strongly against any moves to reduce the status achieve so far for the Irish language. We believe it, a basic right, that everyone should have the opportunity to gain an competent level of Irish in an enjoyable and interesting setting during their schooling, something that has not been realised by any government to date.”

“A step forward in improving the current situation would be the implementation of Conradh na Gaeilge’s proposals on improving the teaching of languages:

1+1+1 Proficiency in 3 languages – Realising the European Ideal
1. All language teachers at both primary and post-primary level to have attended a year long immersion course in that language’s heartland as part of their training.
2. One subject along with Irish to be taught through Irish to all pupils/students.
3. One subject to be taught through a third language to every second level student.

• The realisation of an Irish language syllabus (1) for native speakers and (2) for learners.
• The realisation of intense ‘catch up’ courses in Irish for pupils who attended school overseas.
• The realisation of State examinations in the major languages of the immigrant communities.”

Na Gaeil Óga will be organising a large protest outside the Fine Gael Headquarters at 1pm on Wednesday, 16th November 2005.
ENDS

author by JCpublication date Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:01author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Until the thought of learning accounting as gaeilge came into my mind.

But definitely, teach irish as a living language and not pointless recitation of Sean MacFheorais and Diarmuid agus Grainne and proficiency will take care of itself.

author by pat cpublication date Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Compulsary Irish has been tried for 80 yrs it hasnt worked. You cant stuff it down peoples throats. Dont support this protest.

author by Robpublication date Wed Nov 16, 2005 12:51author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Most of us are taught Irish for years in school and yet cant speak a word.

Which means either

a. It is impossibly difficult
b. We are all thick
c. It is taught badly

Being a generous sort I would pick the last reason. The whole thing needs a re-think. We should look for inspiration to how Israel rejuvenated Hebrew. Surely there are lessons to be learned.

Please don't turn this into an anti Israeli thread, we are on a different subject.

author by Eamonpublication date Wed Nov 16, 2005 16:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I don't think the Israeli model is applicable here. Israel needed to build a common culture in double quick time so that the many Jews from the diaspora who were migrating there could settle in and a cohesive society could be built. Often the only common point linking Sephardic and Ashkenazi Jews (roughly Eastern and Western respectively I think, I stand corrected if wrong) was a common ancient Hebrew language. This provided the model for modern Hebrew. If you didn't learn Hebrew in Israel you were going to have problems and that provided a powerful impetus for people to learn it.

Here, unfortunately we speak the global lingua franca. So no matter how much you want to learn Irish you'll still have to speak English most of the time. There's little impetus to learn the language here. Sad but there you go....

author by Johnpublication date Wed Nov 16, 2005 23:38author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Eamon,
Did you know that Israel was founded on Palestine? Of course, if the Israeli's had their way, they would force every Palestinian out and make the entire country a Hebrew only speaking one. The Irish people need not be told where they stand with their native tongue. We were colonised too and that's why english was forced upon us.

author by Joe Publicpublication date Wed Nov 16, 2005 23:41author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Surely the people that are fighting for the language also believe in freedom of choice?

Why force it on a person that does not wish to learn the language?

English and maths are basic requirements in life so there is a reason for them being compulsary. Irish is not a requirement for most college courses or jobs.

If you want choice and freedom then accept and respect that same freedom for others.

author by Eamonpublication date Thu Nov 17, 2005 00:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

John,

I did know that Israel was formed out of Palestine. But I was sticking strictly to the point the previous poster made about the revival of Hebrew.

The affect of Hebrew dominance on the Palestinians is whole other, interesting, issue.

author by Mikepublication date Thu Nov 24, 2005 10:29author address An Mhiauthor phone Report this post to the editors

You are wasting your bitterness by posting that ignorant comment urging people 'not to support the protest'. What do you wan't to do? Wipe out our native language, as well as our culture? I could tell you the myths and facts about the Irish language but it seems that you already have your mind made up.

author by Emmapublication date Wed Feb 07, 2007 18:00author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm fifteen and went to an irish speaking primary school. I am fluent in french and English but still consider irish to be my first language. I believe irish should be tought in schools and be manditory. However I also believe that the way irish is tought should be looked at. Reading a silly passage from a Séan Mac Fheorais poem does not make the language fun or interesting at all! it is therefore no shock to me that many poeple hate irish class.

Gaeilge is one of the biggest parts of our culture and should be treated with the importance it deserves! It is important to understand your history and to live your culture.

i would recommend anyone to send their children to an irish primary school and I'm sure that most of the poeple on this site have been to the gaeltacht, which truely is an unique experience.

if irish is not manditory poeple will ignore it. If this happens the language will die and take the gaetacht and our culture with it.

Please do not ignore your culture, please do not stop the language.

author by cula focalpublication date Sat Jan 11, 2014 17:08author address author phone Report this post to the editors

People who want to make Irish a working everyday language should consider establishing self sufficient communes. Like the Israelis established kibbutzim. Ni fas go chur le cheile.

author by English speakerpublication date Thu Jan 16, 2014 09:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

This discussion has gone on for years.

It would appear that the majority of the population don't speak Irish on a day to day basis.
One would question if the majority even have the ability to carry out a simple conversation in Irish.

I was taught Irish in school and like so many others have not got a clue about it now.

I have no problem with people wanting to learn Irish in school that is their right.
Should that right be made mandatory to those who don't wish to learn the language? I don't believe so.

If a majority decide not to keep Irish as a mandatory element then so be it. If this should happen those who wish to learn the language should be facilitated within the education system. This could be achieved by running Irish classes in schools the same way as other languages are taught.

As for improving the way the language is taught, it has taken us ninety years to get to where we are today, how long will it take to review, revise and retrain so that the system will change?.

The biggest issue is the day to day relevance of the language to the people and their desired to learn it. Personally the language is part of my history but of no actual relevance in my day to day life at home or in work. I can honestly say that no one I know speaks Irish at any time (bar the kids in the extended family in school).

Let the people decide.

author by Cupla Focalpublication date Thu Jan 16, 2014 10:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

In divided little Belgium the Flemings and the Walloons hold onto their Dutch and French language rights like hawks. There are language maps published every 5 years or so based on latest census reports. On the border a few villages change linguistic colour based on the outmigration of a family or two. For so many decades in Ireland central administrators have fooled themselves and the general population with fuzzy maps showing where the Gaeltacht is scattered. A thing called the Breac Gaeltacht has been the bigger exercise in self-national deception since the areas shown on fuzzy maps contain a majority of English-speaking households. The Ring Gaeltacht in Contae Portlairge is a case in point. If you visit the RC cemetery on a hill and survey the headstones you will notice that only a minority are in Gaelic; and similarly with the new headstones around the ruins of the C of I graveyard, in the nondenominational extension. Ta moran tithe nua sa Rinn nach labhartar Gaeilge ionntu. Thanaig moran daoine go dti an Rinn o cheantair eile agus nil suim ar bith acu sa teanga dhuchais.

As I mentioned in a previous post, if youngish people want their chosen Gaelic to thrive as a living, functional everyday language they'll have to consider establishing Gaeltacht communes. These might be rural, even within a commuting radius of Dubh Linn, or they might be something urban like the Shaw Road in Beal Feirsde - this latter not a commune but a small cluster of neighbouring households on the same street.

Another thing that new enthusiasts for the language might consider is the establishment of a bright new monthly newspaper or magazine. The commercial challenges are tough, be aware. In the 1970s there was a lively ideas magazine coming out several times a year in Dubh Linn, called Pobal. D'imig se ar shli na firinne. Nil aon nuachtan no gaelmag suimiul le leam faoi lathair. Imagination dead imagine.

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