IRSP – On London Bombings!

by Sean Mac Fri Jul 15, 2005 23:17

Ha ha ha ha ha ha - Obviously Alzheimers is setting in at IRSP HQ. Yeah, we would all like to forget their atrocities. clowns!

by Mick Fri Jul 15, 2005 23:59

Its good to hear that the irps have a clear line on thses type of actions.

I am listening to the usual media bullshit day in day out and this is a breath of fresh air.

More comrade!!!!

Mick, wicklow Hills crew!!

by simone Sat Jul 16, 2005 02:08

if the guys who bombed london had of called in a warning they were going to do it, would this have been a press release of solidarity, similar tactics and all... asshats

by C Ó Brolcháin Sat Jul 16, 2005 19:59

I'd really like to know this so I have to ask, what IRSP 'atrocities' were similar to the London attacks?

by Mick Ó Murchu Sun Jul 17, 2005 01:55

Try this:

In December 1982 the INLA was responsible for one of the most gruesome bombings of the troubles. Seventeen people died, 11 of them were soldiers, when an INLA bomb exploded at the Droppin' Well public house at Ballykelly. It emerged later at the trial that INLA members from Derry had carried out several reconnaissance missions "to see if there were enough soldiers to justify the possibility of civilian killings."

by The London Bombings Bush Did It Sun Jul 17, 2005 04:16

Who would have the access and the know how better than the CIA, the Fathers of Al Qaida? They have State of the Art Bombs and they taught Al Qaida what they know. These Narco Terrorist Kill Civilians in Iraq, Afganistan, Colombia, Peru, Venzuela, and Central America All the time. So they would have No Problem Killing Civilians in London, Madrid, or New York. And the Bush Regime, also Fathers of Al Qaida would not make any distinction on where Civilians are killed. Bush is profiting from the London Carnage and NOT Islam or Christianity, which the Bush Iran-Contra Cabal has Hijacked.

by JackJack - N/A Sun Jul 17, 2005 04:34

This is just perverse. Nobody who remembers the disgraceful attacks made by republican terrorists on civilians in Britain could possibly entertain this press release as a friendly action. It's like a Republican branch simply saying "Hey, we didn't do it this time - nix!" Where the gall came from to release this press relase I can't iamgine. One thing I'll say it's the right feeling, but don't score political points on the back of this when you're halfway cutting open old wounds. Ridiculous.

by More like Sun Jul 17, 2005 14:21

More like a new version that old hit "You give bombing London a bad name!"

by Barry Sun Jul 17, 2005 17:00

The Droppin Well was regularly packed with British soldiers and notorious as a British Army knocking shop . They were and are an occupying force which killed 100s of Irish civilians . People were warned on a regular basis not to serve them in their pubs or to socialise with them as they were targets at all times .

What happened was merely reminiscent of the final scene in the dirty dozen when German soldiers and their whores/consorts were blown up in the cellar . Horrible , ruthless and brutal but a legitimate operation not a war crime . British soldiers were targetted for large scale casualties which they recieved .The struggle against British rule was entirely legitimate and the Droppin well was a legitimate target within that .

by Seamus Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:26

Within the context of the brutal supression of Irish people in the 6 counties the Droppin Well attack was justified. Most killed were brit boot boys who went to Ireland to enforce their unwanted occupation at gunpoint with 2200+ victims as a result of British violence and terror. They got back as good as they gave. Unfortunate that some civillians died. But in fairness they were a bit stupid in the extreme to sit in a pub with a hostile military force.

One other triumph in London was the INLA assisination of Airy Neve, Thatchers right hand man. A political assasination of a modern day Cromwell. A world away from random bombs on busses and trains.

S.

by Jeoff Tue Jul 19, 2005 22:21

DUP attacks IRSP for bomb remarks
Party is accused of hypocrisy

Belfast Telegraph
By Brendan McDaid
19 July 2005

The DUP today lashed out at the political wing of the INLA after they condemned al-Qaida for its suicide bombing attacks on London.

In a statement issued by the Irish Republican Socialist Party, Political Secretary John Martin condemned the attacks on "soft targets" and hit out at al-Qaida for targeting "ordinary, working people".

The DUP today branded the comments "the height of hypocrisy".

Mr Martin had said: "The IRSP totally condemns the London bombings. Ordinary working people going about their daily routines were blown to smithereens by young suicide bombers presumably influenced by religious fanaticism.

"These were not legitimate targets. There was no military or political objectives in the bombing, just slaughter.

"Al-Qaida are not a liberation movement but a fundamentalist loose grouping of organisations who would impose a reactionary and backward philosophy on all who they would control."

Mr Martin said that some people would try to justify the attacks by pointing to the US-led invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq and continued "imperialist aggression all around the world", but added: "While we support the struggle for national liberation in Iraq and believe that armed struggle there is justified, we do not believe that individual acts of terror such as the London suicide bombings are the way to liberation.

"The victims bore no responsibility for the actions of the British ruling class or the British government in Iraq.

"The people of London, like the people of Iraq, didn't deserve to be punished for the crimes of the British or Iraqi ruling class."

Responding, DUP MP Gregory Campbell branded the IRSP and other political parties hypocrites.

He said: "It would take considerable hypocrisy to beat Ken Livingstone who also made similar statements about the London bombings, given his previous statements and meetings with Gerry Adams.

"It would take even more hypocrisy for Sinn Fein to make similar statements, which they have done.

"But it would appear the IRSP are trying to beat them all, given that over the decades the INLA have excelled in killing working class people, and now, for reasons best known to themselves, they wish to condemn this particular assault in which people were killed, but not the assaults of which they were guilty."

by Paul Wed Jul 20, 2005 12:24

I bet the IRSP are really genuine on this. I mean that cowardly psychopath McGlinchley hated to kill civilians didn't he? Remember Darkly anyone?

by Barry Wed Jul 20, 2005 18:56

Dominic McGlinchey was far from cowardly . Although he undoubtedly had personal flaws cowardice wasnt one of them . He was initially a key member of Frank Hughes South Derry IRA unit whose armed encounters with British forces are now legendary . Hughes unit , including DMcG took the British on at close quarters on numerous occasions and defeated them . Even the SAS took casualties at their hands . Thats precisely why the British feared him so much .

There is no evidence either that McGlinchey was a psychopath , ruthless without a doubt but certainly not a psycho . Darkley was roundly condemned by both the INLA and McGlinchey personally .

McGlinchey spoke at length on that particular bloody crime and gave his opinion on it . It is even today commonly accepted that the INLA neither carried it out or authorised it . They supplied weapons to a family who had offered to attack crown forces on the INLAs behalf . They had been targeted throughout the troubles by loyalist killers losing many of their family members in equally brutal circumstances . Driven by bitter sectarian hatred they carried out the Darkley atrocity with the weapons McGlinchey had given them to attack British forces .

This version of events is even commonly accepted by the mainstream press and media . NO - one disputes it . McGlinchey was an astute , articulate and intelligent individual who would easily have foreseen the widespread revulsion caused by Darkley particularly in republican circles . He already had a formidable career and reputation for engaging the crown forces in close combat . An act like that would only have destroyed his reputation and credibility . Its worth remembering he was a national figure at the time who regularly gave interviews to the national and international press . There was no sense whatsoever to him authorising such an act , particularly when he believed his mission was to enhance rather than sully the INLAs damaged credibility .

McGlincheys primarily flaw may have been egotism , as well as trusting people he shouldnt . But neither cowardice nor psychopathic acts are applicable insults .

by Arthur Fri Jul 22, 2005 12:50

Because that's all McGlinchley did. He never engaged Armed Brit forces at all. The only IRA/INLA unit that did with any effectiveness was the S.Armagh unit that the Brits widely resepected (read bandit country, toby harnden). Ironically it was this unit that killed McGlinchley after he attacked the families of some of it's members. He was responsible for Darkly as he armed and commanded the unit responsible. If loyalists armed or controlled by British Intelligence had carried out a similier atrocity I doubt that you would be quite so understanding.

by Barry Fri Jul 22, 2005 22:39

Hows that ? Ive clearly referred to it as a bloody crime , driven by sectarian hatred .

Arthurs assertion about McGlincheys IRA unit never having engaged crown forces is utter nonsense and is extremely insulting to the late Francis Hughes as well . McGlinchey was a key member of that unit and a close comrade of Hughes despite attempts to airbrush this out of history . In a brief few years they had turned South Derry into Dodge city for the occupying forces. Dozens of British army RUC , UDR and even SAS met their ends at Hughes and MCGlincheys hands . The audacity and daring of that unit was the stuff of legend . Unlike other IRA units the S derry ASU routinely wore uniforms and berets whenever they could while on active service . Frank Hughes , Dominic McGlinchey and Ian Milne were the only IRA members in the current conflict to have wanted posters issued and posted of them by the British forces such was their frustration with their successes .

a brief synopsis of this units record

http://www.irishhungerstrike.com/francishughes.html

McGlinchey was highly ranked among this unit who even used Lough Neagh in order to conduct operations by boat against the British and RUC operating many miles from their home base . Their home base itself which was saturated by crown forces hunting for them . I suggest a good read of Ten Men Dead by Peter Beresford Ellis for a more in depth account of that units history in the field against crown forces .

Incidentally Ive not only read T Harndens book but met him on a couple of occasions . A rollicking good read but not exactly the definitive account . A few senior figures in Sinn Fein used his book as an attempt to eulogise themselves as heroes . Many of the men who actually did the fighting refused point blank to speak to him . Since then they dont speak to the blabber mouths who gave him lengthy interviews either I understand . Despite Arthurs lauding of this unit its probably worth pointing out that the same people who killed McGlinchey also shot his wife Mary in the head as she bathed his two young sons in 1987 . The same 2 sons were later present when he was murdered . Tragic .

by George W Bush and Death Squad Diplomacy. Above The Law Fri Jul 22, 2005 22:53

If Bush can Murder 3,000 People on National Television in New York, or 50 on National Television in London, Bush can surely keep one Canary from Singing Out Loud.

by Arthur Wed Jul 27, 2005 13:12

I'm not gong to split hairs with you Barry over whether McGlinchley was a nice guy or not. But IMO (we may agree to disagree) he was a man who specialised in murdering civilians and off duty cops/UDR. He did not engage Crown forces directly or on equal terms at all. Furthermore i never intended to denigrate Francis Hughes, how can criticising one man mean offense at another? But as for the S Derry IRA unit being 'legendary' that needs deconstruction. The incident involving the SAS to which you refer is incorrect. Hughes was brave, his unit attacked an OP manned by the Army's covert unit 14 Int and killed Cpl Jones. Hughes was wounded and captured after this incident and may have been killed by the surviving 14 Int member from the OP, if a UDR patrol hadn't intervened. The surviving soldier commented on the skill and balls of the attack(there were only 2 brits present in the OP). McGlinchley may or may not have been involved. What is known of him is that he boasted to journalists of how he liked to get 'up close' to carry out his hits. His victims were on off duty cops and civilians. The INLA was also heavily involved in drugs leading to feuds that killed many members. They lacked the discipline of the provos and McGlinchleys death at the hands of fellow republicans speaks volumes. I agree his death was tragic as he surely belonged in prison.

by Barry Wed Jul 27, 2005 14:02

And then keep it going ? I never said Dominic McGlinchey was a particularly nice person . What I stated was he was not a coward as you have repeatedly claimed . I also stated that the unit in which he was a senior member was one of the most active in the country . I provided a link which clearly identifies McGlinchey being involved in a running , prolonged gun battle with an RUC patrol in which a number of them were killed . Wanted posters were issued for him immediately afterwards . You have persisted in claiming he was physically / morally incapable of this .

The Bellaghy unit were a full time ASU who engaged the crown forces wherever they found them , on or off duty . Simply because McGlinchey specialised in close quarter killing doesnt mean all his victims were off duty ( although they were still armed themselves) . Nor does it mean he never engaged the British army . Simply that he was one of the few who preferred to get in close and finish the job . One incident of close quarters killing by this unit involved walking into an RUC station in broad daylight , riddling those on desk duty and then escaping across lough neagh by boat . Cowardly ?

On other occasions RUC officers were killed at close range right outside their barracks and also from up close when on patrol . British soldiers were also engaged in Dungiven for example at point blank range . The incident in which Hughes was captured was not the only case of British army casualties at this units hands .

Francis Hughes also specialised in booby trap bombs which killed off duty RUC/ UDR . Does that make him a coward too ? The South Armagh brigade as well killed numerous off duty RUC/UDR . Does that make them cowards ?

The only reason Im sticking up here for McGlinchey is because youve wrongly accused him of cowardice and being incapable of engaging British crown forces on an equal footing . The fact that a wanted poster was issued for the man precisely for doing just that defeats your argument .

Id point out again that Ive said he had many personal flaws but cowardice wasnt one of them . His ability as a soldier was precisely the reason why he was a prime target for the "shoot to kill" squads of the early 80s . Why else would they bother ?

by Curious Wed Jul 27, 2005 14:26

"There is no evidence either that McGlinchey was a psychopath , ruthless without a doubt but certainly not a psycho . Darkley was roundly condemned by both the INLA and McGlinchey personally ."

Sunday 20 November 1983
Darkley Killings
Three members of the Mountain Lodge Pentecostal Church, Darkley near Keady, County Armagh, were shot dead in an attack that was claimed by the 'Catholic Reaction Force' (CRF). Seven other people were injured in the attack. [The CRF was a covername used by the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA).]


Sunday 27 November 1983
Dominic McGlinchey, believed to be chief of staff of the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA), admitted that his organisation had been involved in the Darkley killings on 20 November 1983.

by Still curious Thu Jul 28, 2005 00:25

Is CAIN wrong?

by Nordie Thu Jul 28, 2005 06:41

In the Tim Pat Coogan book The IRA he tells about some man in Portadown who had his brother murdered by the loyalists and who was going mad because the cops wouldn't arrest the men who done it even though they knew they were guilty. The man was supposed to have told the cops that something bad was going to happen if they continued to take no action and because of the fact that they inevitably still done fuck all about it he asked the INLA for a lend of a gun or guns and went and organised Darkley and then informed the cops that something like that was going to happen again if they still didn't arrest his brother's killers. They did.

by Barry Thu Jul 28, 2005 12:24

But it wasnt just the guys brother . Numerous members of his family , male and female , young and old were murdered over the years prior to it by the same loyalist gang . The guy made it clear to the cops hed commit more atrocities unless the gang was brought to heel .

The CRF wasnt a cover name for the INLA but rather a particular extended family . Furthermore McGlinchey condemned the outrage . He neither planned , authorised or supported it . He referred to its victims as " harmless , hillbilly folk" who should never have been touched . He supplied weapons for the sole purpose of targetting crown forces , not innocent civilians .