labour mayor to be investigated for 'disgraceful' comment

by Seeing Eye Dog Mon Jun 20, 2005 15:26

He's too much old labour and out of step with the Rabbitte Line...

by John Cunningham Mon Jun 20, 2005 17:35

Mayor Bree is be congratulated for highlighting the scandalous behaviour of his colleagues.
Unfortunately, principles are set aside when coalitions beckon.

by Prancing Pony Mon Jun 20, 2005 18:03

The purge of the 'left' begins.

by Therese Ruane Mon Jun 20, 2005 19:19

Maith thu !!!
Declan Bree should be congratulated. Keep up the good work.

by mick murray - unionised Mon Jun 20, 2005 19:24

you can hardly call bree left wing. opportunist would be a better term. the labour party is not representative of the working class, in fact, i doubt many of its current members would care to be associated with the working class. labour is a party run by sticks who chose the easiest route to power. if rabbitte thought fine gael would elect him leader, he be off like a hot snot.
as for bree, since he jumped ship from being an independent to a labour puppet, he has seen a decline in his political fortunes. you cannot fool us cute hoors, declan and your attempts at seeking sympathy will fall flat.

by Jonah Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:45

Bree stands up for Travellers, an unpopular thing to do in many parts of rural Ireland, and you rather than see it as an act of principle, imply it's a desperate attempt to curry sympathy from...what, Indymedia readers?

I've never voted Labour in my life but that doesn't mean i can't congratulate a member of the Labour party for not only doing the right thing, but attacking those members of his aprty who do not.

by Baffled Tue Jun 21, 2005 16:20

Did anyone else have to read the original article twice to find out who was being criticised for saying what?

by Mark P - Socialist Party (personal cap) Tue Jun 21, 2005 17:56

Exactly Jonah. I'm no fan of Bree or his political record which if I was to be very charitable I would describe as "patchy", but standing up for travellers isn't an opportunist thing to do. Fair play to him.

The episode is certainly revealing about the Labour Party though. Screwing over travellers is fine, objecting to that is cause for an investigation!

by hs - sp (per cap) Tue Jun 21, 2005 20:29

I don't know this bree guy but I can't understand who the labour leadership would not support his actions. Fair play to him, sometimes it's harder to go against your own than finna fail or fine gael. And if anything it could cost him votes. He should be supported for his action not "investigated"

by Michael Wed Jun 22, 2005 23:58

Bree’s been around a long time fighting the good fight in the North West. He organised the Connolly Youth in Sligo in the 60’s when socialists were considered heretics. Bree and the CYM were attacked by the employers, the clergy, cops, F.F., F.G., S.F., Labour - by everyone! Yet they refused to throw in the towel.

Bree has been to the fore in every progressive campaign down through the years - Civil rights, housing action, Vietnam, family planning, the divorce and abortion referendums, against the war on Iraq, supporting strikers, and countless local issues.

Whether its travellers rights, gay rights or rights for asylum seekers and refugees Bree has made his voice heard.

He was elected to the Council as a socialist in the mid 70’s and has been re-elected at each election. He and some of the Graltons from Leitrim organised a Sligo Leitrim Socialist Party in the 80’s and that merged with Labour sometime in 1990 or 1991.

Even when he went into Labour he stuck to his views as a Connolly socialist. He opposed the bin charges, he spoke out on Northern Ireland, he campaigned against the Nice Treaty, and he was carpeted by Dick Spring on numerous occasions.

Bree’s most recent opposition to Rabbittes pre election deal with Fine Gael and his opposition to the European Constitution hardly won him friends in the higher echelons of the Labour Party

I don’t think this ‘investigation’ is going to change Bree’s views

by Gore-Booth Thu Jun 23, 2005 01:12

Bree is hundred percent correct on this issue and regardless of his position on other issues he deserves support especially since the leadership seem determined to attack him.

However past record does not maketh the socialist. Yes, Bree did spend years in the wilderness and despite his stalinist links, he did lots of good work. But by joining the Labour Party he veered sharply to the right. On the fundamental question of coalition he is not opposed to coalition with a right wing party in principle, just to a pre-election pact with FG. Like all the 'left' in Labour he had no problem with the 1992 agreement with FF and amongst other things voted for the disgraceful tax amnesty. This coalition issue is not just any old issue but a key question which divides socialists of all kinds from social democrats: you either believe in the creation of a socialist society or you think left parties should participate in administering a capitalist society, albeit introducing ameliorating reforms in the process. Fine if thats what you believe, there has always been a debate between these two conceptions, but there's no point in confusing the issue by claiming Bree is something he is not.

by hs - sp (per cap) Thu Jun 23, 2005 11:47

are you sure that he supported coalition and tax amnesties, militant was in labour during coalitions but it didn't mean they supported them. Did he publicly support the amnesty and coalition or simply not split from the party over it. There's a huge difference.

by Gore-Booth Thu Jun 23, 2005 12:12

It may be possible for a rank and file member of Labour to stay in the party while opposing coalition etc. but not a TD. As a TD, Bree and all the other Labour TDs voted for Albert Reynolds as Taoiseach in 1992 and the tax amnesty given during that governments term. No Labour TD opposed the amnesty or the coalition arrangement. Its no use speaking against these things and then voting for them. Bree has made it quite clear that he is not opposed to coalition with a right wing party but only to the specific idea of a pre-election pact with such a party. Essentially he wants Labour to run an independent campaign during an election and then make a deal with one of the conservative parties afterwords. In fact this seems to be the position of most of those who opposed Rabbittes strategy. There seems to be no member of Labour , except a few members of their Youth Section, who is opposed to coalition in principle. To return to the original point, Bree has taken a principled stance on this issue relating to Travellers rights and it is an absolute disgrace that he is being hounded rather than the reactionaries he criticised but this shouldnt lead us to airbrush his past conduct. Of course it says a lot about Labour's current leadership that its Bree rather than the reactionaries who's being investigated.