Jewish Property Defaced and Vandalised in Dublin Last Night

by indie-soc Wed May 11, 2005 20:17

no unsourced news on indymedia please.

by rte viewer Wed May 11, 2005 21:15

source is rte. it was on the 6 o'clock news. it's disgusting. i suggest finding out who did it and teaching them a lesson.

by ed Wed May 11, 2005 22:35

(courtesy of Toneore)

by indie-soc Thu May 12, 2005 01:20

for the source.

yes, it is disgusting.

by maria Thu May 12, 2005 01:40

There were no online sources...i checked loads - but i had v reliable HUMAN sources!
What exactly is the protocol here?

Why isn't this report listed under news as I originally had intended?

Maria Filha

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by friendofisrael Thu May 12, 2005 05:08

http://www.unison.ie/irish_independent/stories.php3?ca=9&si=1393663&issue_id=12453

Like all other anti-semitic attacks, this disgusting and cowardly attack is undoubtedly related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the work of the apologists of terrorism.

Since you need to log in, here it the article:

RACIST vandals have gone on the rampage, spraying anti-Semitic graffiti on key Jewish landmarks.

Gardai confirmed swastikas had been daubed on the Irish Jewish Museum in Portobello, Dublin, while a synagogue and Jewish cemetery were also targeted in the overnight attacks.

Museum curator Raphael Siev said the Jewish community was not expecting to be the victim of racist intimidation.

"This is quite a sustained assault, and the idiots who are doing it certainly have given no indication what is their gripe or concerns. They are just acting in an idiotic way," he said.

It is understood the racist attacks have been going on since November of last year. He said he suspected one gang was responsible for the ongoing harassment.

Anti-Semitic graffiti was sprayed on the museum in black paint.

Vandals also targeted the former residence of the first chief rabbi, graves at the Jewish cemetery in Dolphin's Barn, a Jewish old people's home and the synagogue in Terenure.

It is understood the attackers broke two windows just before midnight on Wednesday then fled, before returning hours later to spray racist signs.

Green Party chairman John Gormley called on the gardai to take immediate action to stop the attacks.

Ed Carty

by Poirot Thu May 12, 2005 11:02

"Like all other anti-semitic attacks, this disgusting and cowardly attack is undoubtedly related to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and the work of the apologists of terrorism. "


NOT necessarily... they were just be narrow minded bigots, possibly nazi types (they were around before the occupation of Palestine began) If they daubed Swastikas, and not PLO slogans, then you're deliberately spinning this story to defend Israel, rather than the Jewish property owners, and YOU are bringing it back to the occupation.

Get over it, there's rascists out there who aren't interested in the palestine issue. From what's posted above this sounds like their work.

Disgusting, stupid, but a long way short of being "undoubtedly related to the Israel Palestine conflict"

by John Thu May 12, 2005 11:20

Anti-semitism has always been popular in the lunatic fringe, whether of the left or the right. We all know of Hitler. Now its revealed that Salvado Allende, President of Chile in the early 70s, was anti-semitic. He penned a thesis in 1933, the same year that Hitler came to power, describing 'hebrews as prone to crime, fraud, deceit, slander and usury' and stating that 'race plays a role in crime'. Mind you, he also wrote that 'Arabs are thoughtless, lazy, with a tendency to theft'. So, I guess he'd have been impartial in the Israeli-Arab conflict. He also claimed to have found a cure for homosexuality, apparently achieved by 'making a small hole in the stomach and inserting small pieces of testicle inside'.

by peter Thu May 12, 2005 12:01

The increase in European Islamic communities has greatly increased anti-Jewish activity. That's not racist, thats just the way it is. Some people with a rigid Party mentality refuse to acknowledge this, it doesn't fit with they're view of the way things of supposed to be.

by Chekov Thu May 12, 2005 12:27

"The increase in European Islamic communities has greatly increased anti-Jewish activity. That's not racist, thats just the way it is. Some people with a rigid Party mentality refuse to acknowledge this, it doesn't fit with they're view of the way things of supposed to be."

Yup, the correlation is completely clear and obvious. It is a little known fact that there was an islamic population in Europe in the 1930's of 100's of millions and this was the real reason behind the rise of fascism and the peak of anti-semitism. They cunningly concealed this fact by hiding in the basement.

In fact, the careful historian can trace this islamic 'basement' population back through many centuries of European history and many believe that the alps were in fact formed from the left-over earth as they progressively constructed larger and larger basements in which to hide.

Back on planet earth, my "rigid party mentality" tells me that your claimed correlation is unusually stupid, even for a knuckle-dragging racist. There is an incredibly obvious and very well documented correlation between the far right and anti-semitism in 20th century europe. You have to be some powerful class of racist to ignore that in favour of such tin-foil hattery.

by Jkrow Thu May 12, 2005 12:47

Scum

by peter Thu May 12, 2005 12:54

Chehov, are you suggesting Ireland currently has a large Facist movement, reminiscent of the 1930s?

Anyone who's done a bit of reading is aware of the history of anti-semitism. That won't necessarily explain the incidents in Dublin. The Czar of Russian hardly has given his nod to the graffiti on the Irish-Jewish museum.

by pete reid Thu May 12, 2005 13:13

Excellent point. Anti-semitism was strongest at the start of the 20th century in Tsarist Russia. In the 1930s in Germany due to the Nazis, then in Arab world after, guess what, the creation of the state of Israel - still a thorny issue.

To suggest that Irish Neo-Nazis are some sort of significant group is laughable. They've never had any support and never will. No matter how much some lefties long for an ideological enemy.

by chekov Thu May 12, 2005 13:52

To suggest that anti-semitism in Ireland is strong is also ludicrous and is confined to cowardly middle-of-the-night graffiti attacks by actors unknown. The strength of anti-semitism and the strength of the far right are strongly correlated. That's obvious and clear. Attempting to tack on stuff about palestine is band wagon opportunism of the worst kind.

by redjade Thu May 12, 2005 17:41

→ John: 'Now its revealed that Salvado Allende, President of Chile in the early 70s, was anti-semitic.'

Richard Waghorne of the 'Freedom' Institute is all over this one....

He says: '...an awful lot of the heroes of the left have distinctly vile skeletons in the cupboard.'

→ Allende allegations
http://www.freedominst.org/2005/05/allende-allegations.html

Then Richard goes on to say 'the pattern of excusing an individual's faults, no matter how grave, because they happen to be on 'your' side is wrong in itself and only causes trouble down the line.'

Funny thing is, he forgot to mention Conservative hero Richard Nixon.

You can go to the site to read my comments....
http://www.freedominst.org/2005/05/allende-allegations.html

by Reality Check Thu May 12, 2005 17:53

Why on earth would an Islamic group choose to daub a Swastika on a Jewish building?

The only people who support Nazis in this country are that very small fringe in the far right and the far larger fringe associated with republican terrorism.

For instance, Sean Russell, the (beheaded) Nazi collaborator, is a great hero of dissident republicans, particularly those associated with the 32 County Sovereignty Movement, the Real IRA and the Continuity IRA.

Like the last coordinated attacks on Jewish sites and the Irish War Memorial Gardens, this was probably the work of some morons allied with them.

by Chekov Thu May 12, 2005 18:03

No! It was the CIA / space aliens / Illuminati / Fianna Fail / My next-door neighbour with the funny eyebrows / my pet hate who are responsible for ALL BAD THINGS IN THE WORLD!!!!!

Reality Check, yeah right. Cop on with your ridiculous and completely ungrounded in evidence conspiracy theories. Whatever reality you live in, in this universe Russel's dalliance with nazis in WW2 is not credible grounds to blame this act on modern day republicans without any other evidence.

by Pól Thu May 12, 2005 18:03

Trolling again, "Reality Check"?
What you say is not factual.

by Reality Check Thu May 12, 2005 18:05

It's no more conspiratorial than the rubbish that's usually posted on this site.

What's factually incorrect?

by Chekov Thu May 12, 2005 18:22

Any evidence for this:

"The only people who support Nazis in this country are ... the far larger fringe associated with republican terrorism"?

When I say 'evidence', I must admit that I'm expecting a standard that's a little bit higher than tin-foil hat wearing conspiralunacy. I also warn you that ALL REPUBLICANZ ARE BABY EATING NAZI FASCISTS won't cut the mustard.

by indie-soc Thu May 12, 2005 18:23

Or the so-called 'Celtic Wolves' ?

The CW are still around, and had a meeting in Dublin as late as the end of Feb 2005. I have no idea of the numbers involved in the CW but would imagine it can't be more than the mid-teens, if even that.

Is that enough to vandalise 5 sites over the course of one night? Possibly, not being accustomed to midnight racist attacks, I don't know.

On (Information about nazi site removed by editor) a nazi site the RTE story has been posted, and interestingly there have only been two comments - one of them blaming RAR and "the commies". Does relative silence[1] speak volumes in this case?

fn1. Relative given that there have been multi-page discussions on subjects such as Connolly Books, Samantha Mumba's pregnancy, and the fantastically retarded "Is Mary Lou McDonald non-white?"

by Reality Check Thu May 12, 2005 18:33

Try this for a start: http://www.cafepress.com/rsmshop.13875356
Scroll way down on the left-hand margin to the link to Frank Ryan

Here's a brief reminder of Ryan's history: In August 1940 Ryan was transferred to Nazi Germany, where he was reunited with IRA maverick Sean Russell. The two were sent to Ireland in a U-boat, but Russell died on the journey and Ryan returned to Germany where, as unoffical IRA ambassador, he acted in an advisory capacity for German
intelligence. He died in a sanatorium near Dresden in July 1944.

Here's an article from An Phoblacht about the Nazi collaborator Sean Russell from 21 August, 2003

Sean Russell honoured
BY ROISIN DE ROSA

Belfast republican Brian Keenan gave the main oration at the commemoration of Sean Russell in Fairview Park last Saturday, 17 August, where several hundred people came to pay respect to a native of Dublin who played so important a role in the IRA in the first half of the last century.

Analysing Sean Russell's life and his role in the Republican struggle, Brian reviewed the strange history of Sean Russell from his birth in Fairview in 1893 to his death at the end of the Second World War. He talked about the part Russell had played during the '20s and the '30s in the ideological disputes surrounding the Republican Congress and the formation of Saor Éire, and his role, as IRA Chief of Staff, in the disastrous campaign in England during the Second World War.

"I don't know," Brian acknowledged "what was in the depth of Sean Russell's thinking down the years, but I am sure he was never far from Pearse's own position, who said, "as a patriot, preferring death to slavery, I know no other way.

"There are things worse than bloodshed, and slavery is one of them," he said. "We are not and will not be slaves."

Also speaking at the commemoration were Marylou McDonald and Ciaran Mac Anraoi, who spoke articulately about the importance of of the party's election strategy over the coming year.

by Chekov Thu May 12, 2005 18:39

If the only concrete evidence of any links between republicans and nazis / fascism that you can find is 2 individuals in WW2 and you think that this is enough to convince any sane person that modern Republicans are suspects for this act, you need your head examined.

by Reality Check Thu May 12, 2005 18:46

They are the two most prominent and are still venerated by the modern-day political leadership of the IRA, both Provisional and dissident.
If only two members of an illegal organisation were convicted of a terrorist bombing, should we then exonerate the leadership of the organisation?
Take a drive through the North and note all the Palestinian flags and anti-Israel slogans in nationalist estates.
And you try to tell me that there is no association between anti-Semitism and republicanism.
Of course the evidence dates back to World War II - that was the only time when it served narrow republican interests to cosy up with the Nazis.
From my loose recollection of history, World War II ended in 1945 and the Nazis were defeated.
How could they have cooperated with Hitler in the mean time - by seance.
Time does not give absolution especially when the organisation's most senior figures will even today happily attend a commemoration event for former members, with known Nazi sympathies.

by jack white Thu May 12, 2005 19:09

"Take a drive through the North and note all the Palestinian flags and anti-Israel slogans in nationalist estates.
And you try to tell me that there is no association between anti-Semitism and republicanism."

There's no association between supporting the Palestinian people and opposing the policies of the Israeli state and anti-semitism.
This argument actually began when 'friendofisrael' tried to make out that there was.

by Reality Check Thu May 12, 2005 19:17

While many people who support the Palestinian cause are genuine, it has become one of the most abused 'cause celebres' available to anti-Semites.

Saying there is no link whatsoever between support for Palestine and anti-Semitism is just naive.

All causes - justified or otherwise - are hijacked by bigots. The case for a United Ireland is just one such cause, stolen away from ordinary decent Irish people by terrorists.

by indie-soc Thu May 12, 2005 19:35

So would you say that in the 1940's, the zionist movement was stolen from ordinary decent jewish people (unstandably fearful after the holocaust) by terrorists like the Stern Gang and Irgun?

And thus, does the fact that there was a proposal within the Irgun for co-operation with Nazi Germany - that put forward the following proposals: -

The NMO [National Military Organization in Palestine (Irgun Zvai Leumi)], which is well-acquainted with the goodwill of the German Reich government and its authorities towards Zionist activity inside Germany and towards Zionist emigration plans, is of the opinion that:

1. Common interests could exist between the establishment of a new order in Europe in conformity with the German concept, and the true national aspirations of the Jewish people as they are embodied by the NMO.

2. Cooperation between the new Germany and a renewed folkish-national Hebraium would be possible and;

3. The establishment of the historic Jewish state on a national and totalitarian basis, bound by a treaty with the German Reich, would be in the interest of a maintained and strengthened future German position of power in the Near East.

- does this make those who venerate the past glories of these zionist terrorist groups nazis-by-association too?

source: http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/irgunazi.htm

by eeekkkk Thu May 12, 2005 19:35

By ODP's in Irish Context you mean the republicans of FF and PD? right? And in the Middle East context you mean the Likudniks? right? Who sent you reality check?

by eeeekkk Thu May 12, 2005 19:40

The War of Independence IRA as in Irish RA. Confusing isn't it the auld history. All i know is that Likudniks/ffers and pds are far from 'ordinary' nor 'decent'.

by Reality Check Thu May 12, 2005 20:00

I don't believe it makes them "Nazis by association" because Nazism, by modern definition and usage, carries an implication of anti-Semitism.
I do believe a modern-day Jew is wrong to glorify the actions of desperate and foolish people.
I suppose it should be said that had the Stern gang plan been accepted by Hitler, it could have saved the lives of millions upon millions of Jewish people?
By the way, the proposal you refer to was not put forward by Irgun. It was put forward by the Stern gang.
The distinction is the equivalent of confusing the IRA and the Real IRA, I suppose, but a distinction must be made.
Also, neither organisation had many illusions about the Nazis, knowing full well they were Jew-haters, dating back to Kristallnacht and before. But, they had a lot more to play for than the very narrow Irish interests we are talking about.
What I can't fathom is why modern day Sinn Fein will not disown the likes of Russell and Ryan, or at least recognise the terrible events with which they associated themselves.

by Devil Dog Thu May 12, 2005 22:36

Chekov, I find it hilarious that you're demanding evidence for RC's (admittedely tenuous) attribution of this vandalism to IRA supporters when you claimed that US troops in Iraq were guilty of rape on a huge scale, solely on the basis that "it's what occupying armies have always done" or words to that effect.

AS RC says, his claim is no more outlandish than several claims which have not attracted the same level of opprobrium here e.g. US using chemical weapons in Fallujah, Bush stole last election, US air base at Abbeyshrule etc

EEEKKKK: You're right, supporters/members of the government parties are the polar opposite of ordinary & "decent". They're just an unrepresentative, nasty elite....unlike most of the anarchist/trot/provo supporters who post on this site, who would certainly be considered "decent", "ordinary" and, no doubt, typical of the Irish people.

by Workers Unite Thu May 12, 2005 23:19

People who commit such distructive acts are reactionary in their methods and ideology.

Reactionary is the opposite of revolutionary.

Reactionaries can be found anywhere.

Some of you keep mentioning the IRA without mentioning the right wing Nazi associations of the loyalist death squads, in northern ireland.

After the 911 attacks, in the U.S. there were many Arab and Muslims businesses that were vandalized and destroyed. My mothers neighbor who is of Palestinian background, had his business burned to the ground.

And there were attacks made on people who were Arab or mistaken for being Arab in the U.S. and Europe.

Lets not mix up the actions of reactionaries, with real political discourse, that concern Human Rights and justice, as in the Palestinian/ Israeli issue.

by Nazis then and Nazis now Fri May 13, 2005 09:18

"Why on earth would an Islamic group choose to daub a Swastika on a Jewish building?"

Truth be known, moslems were nazis during WWII the destruction of Germany didn't change their stripes

by Barry Fri May 13, 2005 10:29

Yes , some Muslims were Nazis . Bosnian Muslims joined the SS en masse and ethnically cleansed their Serb neighbours . As did many Albanian Muslims . As did many millions of Roman Catholics , Protestants , Eastern Orthodox , Greek orthodox , Cossacks and god knows who else .
And guess what, no shortage of jews collaborated with them either .

Since last year there have been some odd things happening in Dublin like Islandbridge and the Jewish museum being grafftid simultaneously , like the mystery attack on Sean Russell and now this . I suspect this is all the work of some crank/s with some weird outlook who just like to get into the papers .

As for the bullshit trying to link it to republicans or muslims I dont know what the point of such accusations are .

These attacks are a disgrace and I hope the people responsible are caught and exposed before they do it again .

by Historical Review Fri May 13, 2005 11:52

Moses Hess —
Jewish Marxist and Progenitor of Zionism
Like Karl Marx, “Father of modern Socialism,” Moses Hess (1812-1875) was born in Germany of Talmudic rabbinical ancestry, being steeped in Orthodox Judaism by the rabbi grandfather who raised him. He was active with Marx and Engels in promoting Communism which, he held, could best be achieved on a world-wide scale through Jewish Hasidism and Nationalism, or Zionism, based upon Orthodox Judaism. That he remains a pillar of present-day Zionism is illustrated by the fact that the Jewish press has recently announced removal of his body to Israel.

“He collaborated with Marx in writing, ‘Die Deutsche Ideologie’ (1845) … his continued publicizing for practical socialism in Germany earned him a sentence of death after the 1848 revolution.” (Universal Jewish Encyclopedia)

His chief work, authorities agree, was “Rome and Jerusalem” (translated by Meyer Waxman and published in the United States in 1945 by the Block Publishing Co.). He rushed home in 1848, says the translator, from Paris, “taking an active part in the armed resistance of the people.” (page 22) “In 1845, Hess engaged in propagating the Communistic idea and founding societies devoted to its realization, an occupation which led Arnold Ruge to describe him as ‘The Communist Rabbi Moses.”’ (pp. 21-22)

It is stated that, “The fundamental principle of Hess’ thought … is based on the teaching of Spinoza, of which he was a devoted follower,” but he went further, says the translator, in expounding the “basic unit” of mind and matter, “the basic unity and its various unfoldings.”

Thus, he was considered a better pagan philosopher, even than the Jewish pantheist, Spinoza.

The translator quotes from a later article of Hess (page 30) in which Hess holds that Judaism: “began with the family of the individual and will finally end with a family of nations” (page 30). The Orthodox Jews have, “in his opinion, a much higher and truer conception of Judaism. They have retained … the kernel of Nationalism, and the desire for Jewish restoration … He advocated the colonization of Palestine … he also dreamed of a Jewish Congress, demanding the support of the Powers for the purchase of Palestine …” (page 32) [page 70]

Hess and Christianity
In his preface to “Rome and Jerusalem” Hess referred to Pope Innocent III (1198-1216 AD) and his decrees to compel Jews to wear distinctive badges and be identified as anti-Christians. “From the time of Innocent III … Papal Rome symbolized to the Jews an inexhaustible well of poison. It is only with the drying up of this source that Christian German Anti-Semitism will die from lack of nourishment. With the disappearance of the hostility of Christianity … to Judaism, with the liberation of the Eternal City on the slopes of Moriah; the renaissance of Italy heralds the rise of Judah … Springtime in the life of nations began with the French Revolution.” The translator’s footnote here (page 34-5) is “At the time when Hess wrote these lines, Italy, under the leadership of Garibaldi, was struggling to wrest Rome from the Papal government and annex it to the new unified Kingdom.”

Hess also stated, “Judaism has no other dogma but the teaching of the Unity.” (page 44) “… the Rabbis never separated the idea of a future world from the conception of the Messianic reign. Nachmanides insists … upon the identity of … ‘the world to come’ with the Messianic reign.” (page 46)

Sneering at Christianity, holding up the myth of a Jewish race (instead of the actuality, a breed of all races and nations), extolling the Talmud and delegating Moses to the inferior role given him therein (page 91), the whole cry of Hess was for Jewish world rule from Palestine “between Europe and far Asia … the roads that lead to India and China,” and he told Jewry:

“You have contributed enough to the cause of civilization and have helped Europe on the path of progress to make revolutions and carry them out successfully.” He called for Jews to “March forward!” and stated: “The world will again pay homage to the oldest of peoples.” (pp. 139-40) The “Talmud is the corner-stone of modern” Orthodoxy, (page 143). He looked to black magic, the occultism of Chasidism, which along with Zionism, was to achieve Communist dictatorship.” “The great good which will result from the combination of Chasidism with the national movement is almost incalculable,” (page 218), and he added, “Although the Chasidists are without social organization, they live in socialistic fashion.” (same)

The translator called Hess, in the 1918 edition Preface: “The herald of Nationalism and the trumpet of Zionism.”

by Reality Check Fri May 13, 2005 17:13

Fascinating ... but what's the point.

Regarding my earlier comment about an Islamic group not using the Swastika, I stand over that.
Nazi imagery - in modern usage - is integrally associated with anti-Semitism (obviously) but also equally hatred towards non-whites and non-Christians.

The reason I believe the latest event could be linked to republicans is precisely because the previous incident - which Barry referred to - occurred at Islandbridge and Jewish sites on the same night.
Words like 'traitor' were daubed at the War Memorial.
Only a rabid republican would do something like that, because only rabid republicans would believe an Irishman joining the British Army was treacherous.
Then again, perhaps Barry is right and it's just a crowd of messers. But it seems pretty organised to me to do five places in one night.

by Barry Fri May 13, 2005 17:52

While I agree only someone with a "rabid" opinion would target islandbridge and the jewish museum , I dont believe for one second believe it means its a republican . Someone with a rabid dislike of republicans who wanted to falsely blacken them as Nazis is a lot more likely .

I agree also this seems organised to some degree . Similarly cutting the head off a bronze statue a few months later and issuing a statement the next day calling republicans nazis implies a certain amount of organisation or at least preparation and an accomplice or 2 .

Im convinced these things are the work of cranks , theyve upset a lot of people and I hope theyre caught soon .

by Donger Banks Fri May 13, 2005 18:41

"Someone with a rabid dislike of republicans who wanted to falsely blacken them as Nazis is a lot more likely".

It seems unlikely that such an attack would be planned with the deliberate intention of framing republicans. However, i also doubt that genuine republicans would waste their time with spraypainting swastikas on jewish property. Aren't republicans' main grievances with 'the British'? not the jewish community.

by Ali H. Fri May 13, 2005 19:01

Various forms of hate-based harassment and intimidation in the neighborhood preceded the attacks. According to Manal Diab, the “violence began with verbal attacks (with cries of ‘Go to Jordan! Go to Gaza! To Ras El Amoud! This is not your country!’), then graffiti on our door (including swastikas), and stones thrown at us by children of the Talmud Torah.”8 The women also found curses written in Hebrew on the wall of their stairwell and on their mailbox, including the Hebrew words “nevella” (a biblical term for a female rotting carcass) and “Manyakim Hakhutsa” (which means “Fuckers Get Out”).

http://www.phrmg.org/monitor2000/apr2000-bombing.htm

Throughout the city, the delegation saw Hebrew-language graffiti urging "Death to the Arabs," "Arabs Out," and other racist slogans which promoted ethnic cleansing.

http://www.jppi.org/congressional_delegation_report.html

And almost every morning, Palestinian merchants find fresh Hebrew graffiti spray-painted on their doors with messages like "The Arabs out!" and "Jerusalem is for us."

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0495/9504013.htm

At the entrance to Kiryat Arba, an old graffiti inscription reading 'Only a sucker doesn't kill an Arab' was still visible."

http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0294/9402016.htm

he houses have Hebrew (and Russian) graffiti and stars of David spray-painted on their doors. We ask: apparently this is an Arab neighborhood, and the "added security" is because it's the sabbath. The settlers spray-paint graffiti on Arab houses because they want to intimidate them into leaving.

http://www.travelblog.org/Middle-East/Jordan/Amman/blog-4976.html

Israeli soldiers occupied Muhammad’s house, but they obviously did not feel the need to use inside doors. In many rooms a large hole has been smashed through the inside wall. The glass on computer and television screens has been shattered. Sofas were turned upside down and Hebrew graffiti covered the walls.

http://www.islamonline.net/English/In_Depth/PalestineInFocus/Thepeople/former/1967/WestBank/07.shtml

by Reality Check Fri May 13, 2005 19:19

Apologies to Ali H.
I was completely unaware of the incidents that you have just posted.
I now recognise in hindsight that it is totally acceptable for people to daub Nazi symbols on Jewish property in Dublin and thus celebrate the murder of 6 million people in World War II.
Indeed, the Holocaust was a fitting preemptive strike for this Israeli vandalism.

by Chekov Fri May 13, 2005 19:41

Fresh from presenting a brilliant forensic case for the guilt of Republicans, based on the actions of 2 individuals 60 years ago - a standard of evidence that would be sufficent to convict every single member of the public for every single crime ever committed - now we have this wonderful feat of logic.

Apparently, if you object to ethic/religions hate crimes by individuals against one group, then you are logically supporting hate crimes against the group that the individuals come from. That's a brilliant example of logical deduction there RC. Have the PD's started recruiting from the flat-earth society?

by Workers Unite Sat May 14, 2005 04:43

RC describes the incidents that Ali wrote about as israeli vandalism.

This is not Israeli vandalism.

These are the conditions that a people have to live under because of Israeli occupation.

And this is also a way to intimidate and terrorize and force people to leave their homes, so the occupiers can steal more of their land.

http:// www.takingaim.info/

And to this history whatever- person:
this individual called Moses Hess, that is supposedly associated with Marxism.

I've never heard of him before, and even if he had some sort of association with Marx, It seems that he went astray because Marx despised political philosophy based on any form of religious belief, or building any type of movement based on religious doctrine.

The rest of your comments are rather confusing, contradictory, and incoherant.

by Workers Unite Sat May 14, 2005 04:49

For more info here is another website to go to.

I'm including it here because it didn't work before.

by oy mc veigh Sat May 14, 2005 08:52

Another false flag attack to garner sympathy from a war most people have forgotten.

ZzZzZz. Give my head peace!!

by Reality Check Sat May 14, 2005 12:10

Chekov,
I explained why I think republicans were involved - because of the anti-British slogans daubed at the War Memorial Gardens on the same night as the first attack on Jewish Properties.
You are deliberately choosing to ignore those postings and that's fine because it just about sums up your usual mindless contribution to these debates.
The references to Frank Ryan and Sean Russell were in the context of Sinn Fein/IRA's continuing double standards on moral issues and also my belief that republicans have always been indifferent to Nazism/anti-Semitism.
This comes on the basis that even today many republicans fail to distinguish between British interference in Ireland and the Holocaust.
One was an unacceptable but in reality quite ordinary invasion and occupation of a country in colonial times.
It was not a plan based on the eradication of Irish people, which is why we have the railways and fine public buildings we have today. This is not to excuse British colonialism, merely put it in context when set against the greatest mass murder of modern times.
The Holocaust was a plan to try and eradicate an entire ethnic group from the face of the earth ... nothing more, nothing less.
Had a Fianna Fail/PD politician travelled on a German U-Boat after meeting the Nazi leadership - do you really think an MEP (Mary Lou McDonald stand proud) would attend a commemoration ceremony for that individual.

by Barry Sun May 15, 2005 14:36

Im beginning to wonder if Sean Russells head is under your bed ?

Its patently obvious that Irish republicans have NO axe to grind with Dublins Jewish community at all . Yet immediately after the attacks youve come on here pointing the finger at them . There is no organised far right in southern Ireland , even the Information about nazi site removed by editor a nazi sitewebsite hasnt a clue who done it .

Not long after the vandalism at Islandbridge and the simultaneous vandalism at the Jewish museum I spoke to Dublin republicans and they were very angry . They are certainly under the impression it was indeed a false flag attack to blacken them in the public mind as nazis .

As you are well aware also the issue of Sean Russells trip to Germany has been thoroughly dealt with on a previous thread . All the documented historical accounts conclusively show that Russell rejected Nazi ideology outright , the prime reason why the Nazis refused to supply him with arms . This was the only reason he went anywhere near them . I again challenge you to supply one quote where Russell, Ryan or any other IRA figure made anti-semitic remarks . You know full well no such quote exists . You know full well the only political party here with a facist past is Fine Gael , while DeValeras book of condolence to Hitler is ignored by you too .
As are Russells and Ryans robust physical confrontation of the facist Blueshirts on the streets of Dublin and elsewhere .

The attack on Russels statue and the press statement afterwards was most definitely done by someone with an identical political outlook as yourself . The nonsense you have promoted here is identical to the nonsense in the statement to the Indo . Months later nobody still knows who this "left wing youth group" is .

Youre tenuous but "rabid" attempts to link republicans to the Nazis , far-rightism and these distasteful , but equally weird instances of vandalism make me wonder about you and the company you keep .

According to Information about nazi site removed by editor a nazi site its unlikely the far right did the vandalism . 32csm is disgusted at the attack on Islandbridge . NO left wing group has admitted the attack on Russell .

I wonder who is doing all this in Dublin and why ?

by avi15 Sat May 21, 2005 18:01 http://memritv.org/search.asp?ACT=S9&P1=669

There is a strong link here. This is for two reasons:

1) The present Palestinian political and social culture is strongly anti-Jewish: see the above link to last week's sermon on PA TV. If you support this particular culture, you are supporting vicious racism of the worst kind. Moreover, as with Irish nationalists, there is an unbroken line of connection running back to German nazism in the 1940s.

2) Anti-semitism is rooted not just in race hate per se, but also in ignorance, particularly wilful ignorance of Jewish culture and history. In other words, there is a refusal ever to see things from the point of view of theJews, who happen to the most universally persecuted people in history. This is the same as saying that you will only listen in detail or at all to one side of the argument.

In this particular case, a thorough understanding of Jewish culture will generally lead to a realisation of both the attachment and historical connection of Jews to the land of Israel, the centrality of it to their culture and the justification of their claim to what amounts today as just a part of it. It will also reveal that they are the underdogs, not the Arabs.

by a Palestinian Wed Aug 16, 2006 10:42

We are against the stealing of our land and occupation of our homes. Therefore, we are anti-zionist.

by indeed Wed Aug 16, 2006 13:13

how times have changed

by Paul Baynes Wed Aug 16, 2006 15:27

It is dishonest to deny that there is anti-Jewish racism among some Palestinians. People who support the Palestinian right to self-determination need to recognise this rather than deny it. But this does not mean that all support for the Palestinians is anti-Jewish. This is ludicrous. There is plenty of Jewish dissent at Israel’s occupation of Palestine.

In response to Avi15’s comment (I know it was made a long time ago):
You mention “the attachment and historical connection of Jews to the land of Israel” without mentioning the Arabs’ attachment and historical connection to the same region. It is dishonest to suggest that “there is a refusal ever to see things from the point of view of theJews” while you are failing to see things from the point of view of the Palestinians.

And then you say the Israelis are underdogs!!! They are a nuclear power!!! The Palestinians do not have a state, despite a legal entitlement to self-determination, and an international commitment to the establishment of a Palestinian state!!! Look at their devastation of the entire economy and infrastructure of the Lebanese state, and the international communty's weeks of inaction, and tell me they are regional underdogs.

Back to Palestine:
Yes, there are Palestinian attacks on Jewish civilians, which are crimes against humanity. But this does not justify the oppression of the Palestinian population as a whole. This is more than collective punishment. If there are ‘underdogs’ in this situation, it is the people of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. However, the phrase trivialises the situation, painting it as some kind of contest between two parties without recognising that this ‘Arab-Israeli conflict’ is between the powerful and the powerless.

by Reader Wed Aug 16, 2006 15:32

I posted a couple of articles in relation to the changing nature of politics after the post on the Germans thinking of sending their troops to the Middle East. An article by the BNP on moving away from attacks on Israel and a Zionist article on 'how the BNP' were no longer a threat to Israel. I just posted them to show the weirdness of the changing world.
I'll post the article that I originally got the links from in case those links were deemed offensive. Odd policy. This original article is from a left publication in the UK. What Next?