Decision to jail ‘PIRA 9’ exposes British hypocrisy

by annoyed Tue Jan 11, 2005 13:14

I get very angry about this. Official injustice is one thing. But if there is any group with absolutely no credibility when it comes to protesting it is this outfit. Omagh, anyone? How can they have the nerve to complain about injustice or atrocities when they committed the worst in the history of the North is beyond comprehension. I suppose a lack of perspective, and certainly an inability to reflect critically on its own history and tradirtion, is what sets this group apart anyway....

by P M Tue Jan 11, 2005 14:44

You confining your chosen attrocities to northern ones so you could exclude the Dublin & Monaghan Bombings. How convenient. Thats the partitionist mindset for you.
What happens in the north can not be separated from what happens in the south.

by Barry Tue Jan 11, 2005 20:12

They are absolutely entitled to a political analysis and to organise in this country.
Spare us the demonisation , that line has worn pretty thin over the last 6 years. Further more the last 6 years have seen a gradual unravelling of the true picture behind the horrific events in Omagh and the fact that state agents were up to their necks in the ensuing slaughter. This was precisely why the slaughter happened, to facilitate the demonisation and silencing of a republican analysis opposed to the GFA.

What is your opinion on the British governmment (you know, the brits, the people who committed dozens of atrocities, and are covering up what happened in Omagh) Should they not be silenced ? Or are
you simply the typical anti-republican hypocrite weve grown accustomed to over the last 30 years who announces "oh, please..." every time a republican criticises Brit corruption in this country.

by mise Wed Jan 12, 2005 08:19

The Government is considering a voluntary coalition in Northern Ireland which would freeze Sinn Fein out of office, republicans were warned.

With talks to restore power sharing at Stormont in disarray, Northern Ireland Secretary Paul Murphy rejected criticism from MPs that the Government had responded weakly to the IRA's involvement in the £26.5 million Northern Bank raid.

by rooster Wed Jan 12, 2005 12:52

republicans campaign for thirty years for a "FULL INDEPENDENT PUBLIC ENQUIRY"
and when they eventually get their
"FULL INDEPENDENT PUBLIC ENQUIRY"
they refuse to participate in it (PIRA 9 and marty mcguiness)

by Barry Wed Jan 12, 2005 13:00

DOH !!!

by rooster Wed Jan 12, 2005 13:13

Well I would guess thats because the good old british tax payer is footing the bill as usual!

Who would pick up the tab if it was'nt for us, wait a minute, maybe thats what the northern bank raid was for, the IRA are setting up public enquirys for Enniskillen and Omagh and they want to pay their way, those lawyers can be expensive!

by Seámus Ó Raghaillaigh Wed Jan 12, 2005 17:30

Its pathetic that anytime any Republican group opens their mouth to voice an opinion theres some free stater or Unionist (actually whats the difference really?) demands they be silenced usually followed by mention of some Republican attack during the last period of insurrection. Nicely avoiding the fact that the British forces (army, RUC, UDR, local loyalist murder proxies, etc) occupying 2/3 of Ulster were responsible for 52% of casualties during the so called "troubles".

The lobsidedness and hypocristy they ooze is completely missed by them. The fact that the British were up to their necks in the bombing of Dublin, Monaghan, AND Omagh is always nicely forgotten.

Seámus.

by Barry Wed Jan 12, 2005 17:41

And very slowly, but very surely it is being exposed.

by barry Wed Jan 12, 2005 17:45

I have to pay my taxes to the Brits as well as you. Only prods pay taxes eh ?
Its the British taxpayer which has been propping up your dirty little statelet for decades. Pity they havent wised up and seen orange bigots like yourself for the waste of space and resources you are.

by annoyed Wed Jan 12, 2005 17:59

Seamus and Barry are continuing to talk nonsense. I started commensts by saying that a group behind atrocities like Omagh has no moral credibility denouncing the atrocities of anyone else. I did not advocate suppressing their views, nor did I defend British atrocities in the North - I simply pointed out that people who slaughter 28 plus civilians are in no credible position to bleat about someone getting a 3month prison sentence. They will come outr in one pice, unless those in their graves because of these people's actions (for which they had no mandate whatsoever - sovereignty bedamned, its only on if you agree with the sovereignty Committee!)

And what is the response? Well, what about British atrocities, eh, they tep? They were as bad or worse than Omagh! and weren't British agents involved in that anyway? That's ok then - we can after all blame the British for this too. How convenient. Oh yeah - they were involved, but they were not the people who decided to do it, who took such a risk with civilian life, who were such morons they couldn't even get a warning through safely. And none of which mitigates the responsibility of these so-called Republicans one iota for what they did. Just because you can cite chapter and verse of a crime by your opponents (om this and every case with you people, the British) in no way excuses your own moral blindness. I am fed up with your rants against the British, and utter silence about the crimes of your own side. Whatboutery par excellence - and an utterly disgusting spectacle it is.

For people with so much blood and failure on your hands, you are eerily complacent....

by Barry Thu Jan 13, 2005 00:11

Stop talking shite. Where do you get off making a bullshit comment like that ?

Ill make this clear one more time. The 32 County Sovereignty MOVEMENT (if you hate someone that much at least get the name right ) did NOT bomb Omagh. It is not a military organisation. If it were it would simply be banned.

As for your mixed up nonsense about the warning calls, the location of the bomb warning was logged in Omagh RUC stations operational log, which mysteriously "disappeared" into thin f***ing air shortly after the massacre. Furthermore, as yet NO tape recording has been made available of the warning calls which gave the bombs location. These calls were taped by one newsroom and the RUC as a matter of routine.

The car for the bombing was supplied by Garda Special branch. MI5/FBI agent David Rupert has questions to answer on this affair also. Garda agent Paddy Dixon has been allowed by the free-state authorities, as well as the British to disappear also. A british agent known as Kevin Fulton tipped his handlers off about an impending bomb attack, and now it appears another RUC branchman phoned in a warning of an attack in Omagh for that very date ELEVEN days previously. Why ?

On the day of the bombing ALL British soldiers in this garrison town were strangely confined to base. No checkpoints of any kind were in place, and when the bomb alert came in civilians were herded directly beside the bomb, the security tape was placed exactly beside the car. CCTV footage shows people even in side streets, nowhere near the courthouse which the Brits claim was the warning location, being moved from safety directly to it.

Omagh itself is the hometown of 32csm chairman Francie Mackey. Ask yourself for one second who were the only people to benefit from this slaughter? The answer is simple, the very same people who directly benefitted from the Dublin Monaghan bombings. The very same bloodstained hands were behind both.

When youve finished making the same felon setting hypocritical points Ive grown up both accustomed to and sickened by, perhaps you could also ask yourself why the bombing itself wasnt even investigated to any degree, as highlighted in Nuala OLoans report. Why was the key evidence, a special branch supplied car, left abandoned and forgotten in a skip miles awat from the investigation HQ ?

What is it they are hiding here, and still hiding about Dublin Monaghan and 100s of other muders theyve been up to their necks in.

The next thing youll be telling me is MI5 dont have a dirty tricks capability !!!!

by annoyed Thu Jan 13, 2005 09:56

I sincerely apologise to Barry. He is not a hypocrite, which implies some degree of awareness. He is just stupid, and one should not hold stupidity against people. I stand corrected.

Of course, the sovereignty crowd are not a military organisation. Neither is Sinn Fein. Gerry Adams has never been in the IRA, McGuinness is just a politician, Ruairi O'Bradaigh's outfit have nothing to do with the Continuity IRA, the IRSP is completely separate from the INLA - and pigs regularly fly past my window. Grow up, man, and face reality.

Look, these people's 'friends' planted a massive bomb. When you do that, inevitably, civilians get killed. What do you think you are playing at? Here you are saying that the British deliberately let civilians be killed, because a) they are incompetent and b) it suits their politicakl purposes for this to happen. So, tally ho, it was still sensible to try and plant a car bomb in Omagh - knowing, presumanly, that these nefarious Brits were liable to let it go off and murder scores of innocents. But - we are in no way morally responsible for it when that happens. This is what I mean by stupidity - nothing adds up.

I favour the cock up rather than conspiracy theory of history. Things go wrong when there is panic. People get warnings confused, they rush around in circles, they fuck up. And maybe they were trying in subnseuqnet investigations to protect some of their own. But whatever they did or did not do, howvever much of it was deliberate or not - your incompetent, callous, bloodthirsty and moronic friends did not have the wit to grasp either that with car bombs this kind of thing happens or (at least of equal importance) it was a politically stupid thing to do either.

Hypocritical or merely stupid or both - in truth, the best place for people who do such things is jail.

by Barry Thu Jan 13, 2005 15:22

Firstly you have every right to be annoyed, and angry. Yes republicans should never have used the car bombing tactic, which quite obviously was open to abuse and put civilians lives at risk.

Republicans also have the right to put forward a legitimate political analysis against British rule in this country.

I did not suggest for one moment the British were incompetent, far from it. I clearly stated that they were the only people to have benefited from the atrocity, and that they deliberately created the slaughter in Omagh that day for their own selfish political ends in this country. That so many warnings were ignored both sides of the border, and that their agents seem to have been involved in its preparation and execution, it utterly defies belief that this was anything other than a deliberate act. The fact that it occured on the very doorstep of former Omagh council chairman Francie Mackey, himself a nurse at Omagh general, is simply too convenient as well.

That is why I became so annoyed at your claiming the 32csm have no right to express any opinion. The purpose of that bombing was to create exactly that type of response to the movement,

Finally Id like to apologise for any insulting language. You are entitled to your beliefs, but people like myself are entitled to our opinions also without being demonised.

by petrushka Thu Jan 13, 2005 17:39

careful now rooster republicans did not demand an inquiry to bloody sunday-we were actually there and know what happened. if you are refering to the constitutional nationalist lost ther run moderately catholic party-say so.

by Barry Fri Jan 14, 2005 00:15

And what is your opinion of the fact that so far the only person to have been jailed for Bloody Sunday is a Derry citizen ?

Does he deserve to go to jail too.

by Barry Fri Jan 14, 2005 00:45

That should read sentenced to a jail term.