Poem To The Israeli Government: "I Have No More Secrets To Tell"

by arabia Thu Aug 31, 2006 11:24

$110 Billion in compensation for 1948.

LOL, look kid the ARABS started the war--now thats a fact

The then INVADING ARABS advised their BROTHERS the PALISTINIANS to evacuate ISRAEL as they were going to BUTCHER and SLAUGHTER every JEW in the AREA

The Palisinians thanked them and left the area thinking that they would return to a nicely cleansed area free of all jews as they would all be a massacred by the might and multitude of arab armies but unfortunately the ARABS LOST the UNLOSABLE war and the palistinians backed the wrong side, they then tried to unsurp Jordan but messed it up and then they headed off to Lebanon where they also screwed it up and sparked a civil war
face it these people are losers, their leaders are totally corrupt

there is an old, old saying

never trust an arab

by yezbok drahcir - Rock Out Censorship Wed Aug 30, 2006 19:28

Covenant of the Veil

"Abomination of Desolation"

Abomination: a.bom.i.na'shan, the act of abominating. a.bom'i.nat, v.t. --abominated, abominating. [L. abominor, abominatus, to deprecate, as an ill omen--ab, from, and omen, an omen.] Abomination, (1)Something extremely hated or despised; (2)that which is abhored; (3)something detestable; (4)the state of being loathed. (5)something that produces a strong aversion, as disgust.
Desolation: des'o.la'shan, n. [L.L. desolatio(n-).] (1)Being in a state of ruin; (2)Destitute of consolation; (3)forsaken; (4)Devastated; deprived of inhabitants; (5)barren or waste; (6)dreary or dismal. (7)depravation of companionship or comfort; --des.o.late.ly, adv.--des.o.late.ness, n.

Detestable Depravation of Comfort

Hateful Destitution

It's all about suppression. The cries of peoples fall on deaf ears, and the veil remains in place. Those who rule from "the most holy place" carry out the most disgusting depravation of life and liberty.

by solelb Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:09

Not ALL the Jews killed Jesus? just the Zionists?

Shall we enter into religeus argue, in order to prove u that Jesus was no Christ (not by a Jewish point of view, anyway) and wasn't murdered by Jews?

by solelb Tue Aug 10, 2004 12:04

Since Spilberg did a movie about the holocaust, he is bound and doomed to do a movie about any other mass-killing ever done, eh? why not some russian film-maker make a movie in rememberance for all the soviet citizens, (and not-soviets), christians, jews, muslims, athaists and pagans, killed by their OWN GOVERMENT?


by the way, u can relaxe. u r not anti-semite. u just hate jews.
still recist enough, isn't it?

by gehrig Mon Aug 09, 2004 03:41

Buzzby: "See this article:"

You _do_ know that you're pointing to David Irving's webshite, don't you?

http://www.holocaustdenialontrial.com

@%

by Buzzby Fri Aug 06, 2004 01:20

As a history graduate, David, I find that a very sketchy and rushed view of Irish history.

You fail to take into account the origins of the Gael, and the Milesians.

Anyway, you are getting into ridiculous niceties.

by paul c Thu Aug 05, 2004 21:21

so he asked any country to give him asylum and we had people like higgins saying send him over here...

i dunno if anyone else called for it dind't see anything on the anmesty ireland sight thought this was there sorta thing....

didn't we have a government minister say last year they were going to make specila efforts to use ireland to help political/human rights activist here in ireland in conjuntcion with frontline defenders or somemthing?

by David C. Thu Aug 05, 2004 20:52

In pre-Christian times the 'native' Irish - who built Newgrange, dolmens and a nice little ring fort in Donegal - were massacred to the last child by invading Celts from the continent, who claimed the land as their own. Genetic studies show that not a trace of these poor bastards remains. The Celtic victory was due to their possession of bronze weapons - the cruise missiles of their day.

In the 2nd century the Romans thought very seriously about invading, pillaging and settling Ireland, but decided not to after all because it was a Friday and they didn't want to work the weekend. But they maintained to the end that they could've if they'd wanted to...

In the 9th century these Celts were themselves massacred by the tens of thousands by Viking invaders from Scandinavia, who, being kinder and gentler than the Celts and more vigorous than the Romans, massacred the men and merely raped the women. This kind and gentle nature persists in the Scandinavians of today, although their vigor has diminished somewhat.

In the 11th century, these Celtic-Viking mongrels were massacred by Norman invaders from, I believe, Normandy, who massacred men and women with joyous abandon in their quest for land. These nice people then settled down as the lords and masters, and enjoying conjugal relations on demand with the more attractive of the locals.

Then the Brits came, with Cromwell hanging, raping, burning and torturing his way through large portions of the population - planting settlers as he went and regarding the local inhabitants as an annoying irritant from which the land must be cleansed. Having claimed the land, the brits proceeded to replace the prior, Norman, overlords with respect to the enjoyment of its fruits.

Sure enough, the Celtic-Viking-Norman-Brit mongrel masses managed to fight back and reclaim at least nominal control of some of the land that their forefathers had won for them in various massacres, although not without a fair amount of bloodletting and butchery themselves. This reclamation may be temporary, however, as it is early days yet...

I think that this is generally correct, although an invasion or two may have slipped my mind....

by Buzzby Thu Aug 05, 2004 00:58

"Yes, Israel was founded in the violent theft of land, but so was just about every other country in the world, including America and Ireland."

David C., can you explain this statement?

I realise both Israel and America were founded in violent theft of land, but Ireland?? What were we taking back, only that which was our own, and stolen by a foreign power?

Retract this statement immediately, you absurd man. Either you are a foreigner who has no clue about Ireland's history, or you are an Irishman of the Red persuasion, who finds it fashionable to hate his own country. If so, join the queue.

America is a false multicultural hellhole without a soul to call itself a country, while Israel is built on a lie. Ireland was kept under a jackboot for seven hundred years until foreign invaders hightailed it out of here.

by Buzzby Thu Aug 05, 2004 00:50

I'm no nut, nor am I half as much a bigot as some Jews.

Read this article....

http://www.fpp.co.uk/BoD/origins/journalists.html

1. Critic, I respect the fact that many people died in Nazi concentration camps. But MUCH more Christians and ordinary Russians died in the gulags of Siberia. Why aren't they remembered? Why don't we have "World Gulag Victims Remembrance Days"? Why isn't Spielberg making films about them?

The truth IS that Jews around the world are making money, fame, business and political gain, and even the right to run their own racist state as a result of the Holocaust... when in reality, not even quarter as much Jews died under the Nazis as did Christians in Soviet gulags.

When will people remember our victims? Maybe because Christians do not seek to enslave the world through paralysing political correctness and the endless search for pity. Maybe, because one thing the religion of Jewish Commissars had in common with their ideology was a hatred of the Church and of Christ.

It seems okay to siphon off millions of Christians into early graves nowadays, but dare question the fate of Israel? I find it remarkable that the current clash of civilisations between the Christian West and Islam benefits one group of people in the long run.

2. David C., I give you the same answer. But the "neo-anti-semite" shit? What are you smoking?

I can't imagine Wolfowitz being booed off a stage by hard-line Zionists, this is not within my comprehension. I'd imagine they were True Torah Jews, who hate the state of Israel and the poison of Zionism. Either that, or it was a deliberate showpiece to discredit Paul Wolfowitz's loyalty to an alien ideology, thus making claims of a "Zionist neo-con takeover" look false. This sounds plausible. Nothing would surprise me.

Now, again, I ask you to read the article at the above link.

by David C. Wed Aug 04, 2004 17:27

...because the term "anti-Semite" now refers to people who despise Israel's neo-fascist apartheid policies in its ongoing colonization of the West bank, Gaza and Golan. People like me, in fact.

But I will call you a nut and a bigot.

You should remember a few things:

- *Most* Jews, in America, France AND in Israel, support ending the occupation and paying compensation to the Palestinians. Don't place responsibility for Israel's actions on all jews.
- Yes, Israel was founded in the violent theft of land, but so was just about every other country in the world, including America and Ireland. WW2 made that practice unacceptable and Israel is arguably the LAST country founded in the violent theft of land (which is why 1948 can be excused with compensation, but 1967 can't). Why not rant about North American native peoples?
- Even the neo-cons have views that you might not expect. The evil, scheming Paul Wolfivitz himself was booed off a stage by hard-zionist Jews last year for saying that Israel was impeding a 2-state solution.
- You can't forget the holocaust. There are 15 million Jews in the world today. 6 million died in the holocaust. You do the math. A little paranoia on their part is probably in order. The fact that evil people in Israel and elsewhere cynically manipulate the holocaust in order to steal land and wealth is no reason to dismiss it.
- Christian and Islamic fundamentalists are a far bigger threat to humanity than Jewish fundamentalists.

Being a bigot is not just wrong - in fact it's not only mainly wrong. It's mainly stupid.

As an neo-anti-semite I am embarrassed by your identification with our cause.

by Critic Wed Aug 04, 2004 17:18

Have you ever heard of the Shoah???? You know, Millions of people were gased back in the 20th century???Remember Auschwitz????20th century????
And do you know that the Catholic Church as a powerful institiution (Vatican) did nothing to stop the systematic extermination of people of jewish origin, roma, antinazis...............................

by Buzzby Wed Aug 04, 2004 00:59

Peace?

And the state of Israel?

The two concepts do not go hand in hand.

The truth IS that the state of Israel is an illegal entity which should never have been created. What started off as a little refuge for Jews pumped up by American dollars and a money-spinning Holocaust industry has become a racist, anti-Christian dictatorship which rules the world by proxy.

Israel is making huge territorial, financial and security gains off the current world situation, and as a direct result of the 9/11 attacks. I wonder why a group of Zionist art students/spies were caught celebrating and drinking in an apartment block as the Twin Towers collapsed. They're also making a mint off the hostility between Christians and Muslims, and are doing everything in their power to provoke it. It started in Sabra and Shatilla in 1982, where the butcher Sharon had scores of Arab women and children murdered. What did he do? Blamed it on the Christian militia - either way, Israel, and Judaism wins.

You will also find that they are hoaxing most of these "anti-Semitic" attacks, and this is not fiction. They kick off the obsessive scrutiny of the Bible and the Koran, while billions of sheeple across the world fail to stop for one moment and look at the poisonous, hateful language in the Talmud. Many who criticise Israel are labelled as "white supremacists", when most politically correct buffoons don't realise that the notion of racial supremacy is a sin, theologically, and a Zionist invention.

Peace?

As a Catholic, I want peace with honour in the Middle East, not peace with a Zionist gun pointed to everyone's head. As long as I am a Catholic I will oppose the existence of this, the only "rogue state" in the Middle East. In the Book of Revelation, Christ warned St. John about the rise of false Jews who would refuse to recognise His status as the Son of God, and would instead become a "synagogue of Satan", and a "race of vipers". I believe history has churned out this synagogue of Satan, and that it has engulfed world finance, political systems, and even my own Church. One has only to look past the cries of "anti-Semitism", strategic politics and such ridiculous lark, and ask WHY the state of Israel has such a privileged place among the so-called civilised nations of the world.

Lefties, go right ahead. Throw all the eggs you can. But just think - past and present, who are the fathers and mothers of your liberal, anti-Christian ideology? Most of you will answer this question with the same "anti-Semite" drivel, but I care not. Such a charge of unbridled racism is unintelligent, blind crap. For if you recognise the conduct of the state of Israel, and the conduct of the neocon Jews in Washington D.C., or even the conduct of the Jewish commissars in Soviet Russia, you will realise one thing. They will ALWAYS claim that they are about to be "ethnically cleansed", attacked or made the butt of discrimination - only a few weeks ago Ariel Sharon asked Jews to leave France for this reason. But on the flipside, the double standards are remarkable, when you consider the record of Mossad, the Israeli army, and who has been behind some of the greatest atrocities of recent years.

Think for yourselves.

by David C. Tue Aug 03, 2004 20:16

There are less than 50,000 hard-core ideological settlers, all of whom are basically racist thugs. The IDF should have no trouble in "transfering" these people back to Israel. A civil war in Israel between the hard-core ideologues and the secular moderates would be unlikely. Even if it did occur it would be an internal israeli matter.

Green Line borders + $110 Billion in compensation. It really *IS* that simple.

by Hmmmm Tue Aug 03, 2004 14:04

Troll you are a little misguided however I think you are in the right place as David C believes "Getting peace is simple - Green Line borders and $110 Billion in compensation for 1948." Now there is a joke. If the peace you talk about is a civil war combined with the massacre of the settler population in the west bank and Gaza then there will be peace in the biblical lands.

You show your prejudice by assuming that as long as Palestinians stop dieing there is peace.

by David C. Tue Aug 03, 2004 01:51

...please. By all means, continue...

by TheTroll Tue Aug 03, 2004 01:16

All Nazis wanted was peace too, that is, if they got to occupy thier neighbor's homeland. Didn't nazis want peace with England and France after the nazis invaded Poland? Didn't they want peace with the Poles they invaded? Did England want peace with the Irish folks who's lands they invaded and occupied? Nazis offered French people a larger share of the French people's land for VIchi france than Zionists offer thier chosen victims.

People who want peace don't normaly invade thier neighbor's homeland. I mean, it is a pretty stupid first step, don't you think? Do you think? And ZIonists have never stopped stealing Palestinian lands and never hesitated to murder the Palestinians who resist the Zionist's theft of more and more Palestinian lands. when you look at the Zionist crusader state, you can see 4 generations of murderous thieves.

And the ZIonist Crusader State is the abomiNation of Desolation. And me saying so doesn't make me loopy, and it doesn't make the ZIonists and all those who support thier bloodsoaked crusade, damned. Being murderous thieves is what damns and dooms the abomiNation and it's supporters. Diaspora was the desolation. So, what would the abomiNation of God's will look like? Well, it would look just like the ZIonist crusade, wouldn't it. The world power (judeo-christian dominated UN ) would force thier religious beliefs onto the people, which it did. The abomiNation would speek, and 2 years after the the world power forced Judeo-christian beliefs onto the people, zionists joined the UN and got a "voice" equal to the majority of those Judeo-christian nations that forced it onto the locals. The world power would destroy anyone who challenges the world power's alleged right to give Palestinian lands to ZIonist invadors, seen well in the yom kippor war when adolf Nixon gave the ZIonist crusaders 27000 tons of state of the art weapons.

Judeo-christian like pointing at Ezekial 38, but, it is by thier fruits that you will know them. the enemies of God would attack God's land and God's people from ...well what do you know about that, ever damned place ZIonists invaded from. And they would attack a defensless people in a land of unwalled towns. Palestinians were unarmed and defensless as britts gave the Palestinian lands to Zionist invadors. Need i continue?

Revelation 12 and 13 are even more descriptive of the abomiNation. beast out of the sea, England and it's gun boat diplomacy, gave the abopmiNation it's start. 2nd beast, "out of the land", usually means of the people, and America's democracy fills that well. And the woman, "bride" in Biblical terms, was kicked out into the wilderness for a time, 48 to 67, and times 67 to Oslo, and 1/2 a time, current intifada to THE END OF THE abomiNation. And the bride who got kicked into the wilds had the words of jesus. Palestinian christians and muslims accept the Christ, Zionists? No way.

If you go buy thier fruits, the prophets got it dead on the money. But wolves in sheeps clothing have changed all the charracters so people around the world would have the oportunity to damn themselves for all eternity by supporting the abomiNation. Supporting the destruction of Palestinian lives and lifes is treating the Palestinian as you would not hae them treat you. This world was created to test man. And it has. If Jesus was right about us reaping that which we sow, then by sowing the destruction of our neighbors, we end up reaping our own destruction. Good luck in hell.

And the god of Moses is not the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob, or the God of the prophets, or the God of Jesus. Want to hear that bit too?

by David C. Mon Aug 02, 2004 19:06

#1 - The guy actually calls himself "The Troll" - you don't even have to figure it out for yourself.

#2 - The Israeli people (or at least the majority of Israeli voters) want land much more than they want peace.

Getting peace is simple - Green Line borders and $110 Billion in compensation for 1948.
Getting and keeping land is much more difficult...

by joh Mon Aug 02, 2004 16:23

you are a fruitcake aren't you? I mean anyone who comes out with "the ZIonist crusader state is the abomiNation of Desolation" is seriously loopy. All the israeli people want is to live in peace.

by TheTroll Sat Jul 31, 2004 23:26

If someone were to come into your home and take your television set god, then that person would be a thief. RIGHT? And if your tried to stop the thief's crime against you and your family, only for the thief to pull a gun and blow your brains all over your family and still takes your survivor's TV set god, then that THIEF would be a MURDERER as well. RIGHT? So, ZIonists are murderous thieves.

ZIonists believe that because the Hebrews once murdered and enslaved the Canaanites, Amorites, Parazites, Hivites, Jebuzites and some Hittites to rule the land, that they too have a "birthright" of murderous theft of the Palestinian's (descended from those Canaanite, Amorite, etc, slaves, and the Hebrew invadors who permitted raping of slave girls, as young as 12, unless you are stupid enough to believe the Hebrews were reformed Jews, for the sake of stopping that distraction argument right now, then as young as 13) homeland. Just why do ZIonists clame murderous theft in the past as a pretext to be murderous thieves in the present (continuing as you read these words)? And why do Judeo-christians (small c) insist on treating thier Palestinian neighbors as they wouldn't want thier Palestinian nighbors treating them by financing the ZIonist Crusader State's murderous theft of Palestinian lands? The answer to that is the wolves in sheep's clothing we were warned about.

the wolves say, "God will bless those who bless Israel and curse those who curse israel. " Well, I guess we know why the ZIonist wolves in sheep's clothing named the place Israel, even thow the Know tribe of Judea (Jews) is NOT the included in the Lost Tribes of Israel.

As Jesus said, and the wolves in sheep's clothing reject, "It is by thier fruits that you shall know them"

By thier fruits, we can see (those who have eyes that see) that the ZIonist crusader state is the abomiNation of Desolation, and ZIonists, as well as all who support thier murderous theft of the Palestinian's homeland, are the enemies of God talked about in Ezekial chapter 38.

I got lots more. Just write something mind numbingly obtuse, and I will be happy to respond.

by Buzzby Sat Jul 31, 2004 15:15

David - there you go again, wetting the politically correct pants, so to say. Where did I say all Jews were "crooked and insane Christ killers hell-bent on world domination"?

I think I mentioned the word ZIONIST, not Jew.

by David C. Sat Jul 31, 2004 02:39

Shoot kids
bulldoze houses and orchards
surely now
they will leave

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United States and Micronesia
Palau and Marshall Islands
clearly
the world stands with us

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Guns and bombs
the horror, the horror
zoning laws and settlements
god gave it to us

by Justin Morahan Fri Jul 30, 2004 22:48

Vanunu converted to Christianity (Anglican Church) and has indeed stated that he believes the cruel punishment meted out to him was in part revenge for this conversion.
This doesn't make him an anti-Semite.
He dislikes Israel and wants to leave it - this too doesn't make him an anti-Semite.
He can be numbered among the many thousands of Jews, mentioned by David C, who want fair play, justice and humanity for the Palestinians.
Whoever you are, Buzzby, please don't continue to give legs to the lie that all who express anger at Sharon and Israel at present are haters of the Jewish people.

by David C. Fri Jul 30, 2004 19:50

...is that it tightly connects valid, moral criticism of Israel's neo-fascist apartheid policies with nutty, racist conspiracy theories.

I don't think that the Israelis, or the Jews either, are "crooked, insane Christ-killers hell-bent on world domination". There are many, many Israelis, and many, many Jews, who care far more about the rights of the Palestinians and who do more to defend those rights than you do.

But Israel IS a neo- fascist state, controlled by racist thugs, which uses evil, machiavellian techniques to manipulate others for the purposes of stealing land and wealth. That has NOTHING to do with Judaism as a religion - any more than Islam is defined by Bin Laden. Do NOT tar all Jews with the brush of Israeli neo-facism.

If despising Israel's vicious and unconscionable persecution of the Palestinians is 'anti-semitic", then I am a proud anti-semite. But making vicious, stupid and knee-jerk comments about Jews is wrong and it places you squarely alongside Sharon and his racist ilk.

by Buzzby Fri Jul 30, 2004 19:14

For the attention of all the loony lefties on here at Indymedia, few will know that during his time in prison, Mordechai Vanunu converted to traditional Catholicism, and renounced Judaism and the state of Israel.

In summary, he saw the Zionist lie for what it was - a redoubt for crooked, insane Christ-killers hell-bent on world domination (through fear, and the United States, of course).

Call me "anti-Semitic" if you will - I care not. Truth is that the state of Israel has been using this "anti-Semitism" lark as a convenient cover for their campaign of terror, genocide and grand manipulation of entire nations. All these stupid cries of "anti-Semitism", and no-one stops to think that Arabs and Persians are also Semitic.

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Fri Jul 30, 2004 00:44

for keeping the Vanunu flame alive.
Note to Jon: Vanunu did not betray his country, his country betrayed him when he tried to save it from Weapons of mass destruction..

by David C. Thu Jul 29, 2004 21:12

I take their land
They resist
"Anti-semites"
Smile secretly

by RED BHOY Thu Jul 29, 2004 14:06

Who's we?, Jon?? Clown features.
I wonder were you over fighting in Iraq for democracy or sitting at home watching it on the television thinking that anyone gives a shit about your opinions anyway!!??
He was merely doing the UN inspectors job of letting the world know that Israel was pursuing a nuclear weapons program.

by joh Thu Jul 29, 2004 11:12

http://www.mcgonagall-online.org.uk/poems/pgdisaster.htm

Mordechai betrqayed his country, the only liberal democracy in the middle east (until we get Iraq up and running that is)