Anybody know a TD?

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Wednesday June 25, 2003 13:06

by seedot

seedot at eircom dot net

If you do, make sure they go to the Dail on Friday. Tell them you're being lied to, ripped off and cheated - and you want them to get to the bottom of it. They should ask for the article 133 committee minutes and negotiating stances for the WTO round. We have a European scrutiny bill that, during our recent reconsideration of the Nice treaty, we were promised would make everything apparent - tell your TD friend to use it.

These committee minutes are the most up to date information on what Europe proposes will happen to our buses, our bins, our electricity - all that stuff that makes up nation building (ref. Ireland 1920's, Iraq now). As revealed by the article 133 information group, lobby firms and civil servants are formulating the European stances on all these issues thanks to the Nice treaty. As revealed by Peter Sutherland and Pascal Lamy, none of this will be subject to any democratic oversight in Europe. What is not revealed is the stance itself, since the government turned down 31 FOI requests from Attac Ireland covering the preparatory meetings of the Irish members of the 133 committee.

So legal agreements which will sign us up to GATS and TRIPS provisions impacting on bin charges and other utilities, public sector workers and services are being hidden from us on the grounds of commercial sensitivity. Because someone will make money ripping us off, the government can't tell us what they are doing on our behalf. And by the time they will be forced to admit that they lied when they said the Nice treaty didn't impact on trade all the bad news can be blamed on someone else - Europe, or 'The Market Regulation'.

The law passed last year supposedly introducing transparency into Europe for us Irish stopped anything becoming Irish law that the government refused questions on in the Dail. Got battered around and watered down in committee of course - them corporate lobbyists are just soooo good. But tell your TD friend to have a go - who knows they might get annoyed.

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If You Know A TD

by Dorothy Gale

Wed Jun 25, 2003 13:28

Especially if its Joe Higgins tell him that you are fed up with the SP hackers attacking Indymedia. Why are they afraid of Free Speech? Why do the SP threaten to sue Indymedia for libel?

Go get treatment

Wed Jun 25, 2003 13:34

this is some form of obsessive compulsive disorder that you are inflicting on Indymedia.

please piss off

Treatment?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 13:48

Are you saying that the SP did not threaten to sue indymedia for libel? Now thats a rather brazen attempt to rewrite history.

And isnt it at least a possibility that the SP are behind Indymedias recent problems. They do seem to have a problem with anyone disagreeing with them.

Thirdly your suggestion that I need treatment smacks of the stock SP response to anyone who questions them. If you are not with them then you must be deranged.

SP more important than WTO?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:03

you are obsessive because this article had nothing to do with your silly little fixation but you had to turn it on to it.

you are deranged and paranoid because you blame everything on the SP - including the IMC hosting issue. if you had any ability or desire to get to the bottom of that you could read the open discussion about this that has been happening all morning here:

http://lists.indymedia.org/mailman/private/imc-ireland-tech/2003-June/thread.html

I call you deranged because of your actions, not because of any affiliation your sad, pathetic waste of brain matter ascribes (falsely) to me.

now I repeat slowly - PISS OFF

Archive not accessable

by Andrew

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:21

Just to point out you need to be a list member to access that archive (which perhaps is a good idea but means its not as transparent as might be thought)

the list being based on log-in

by Daithi

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:24

stops spamming - search engine - harvesting etc.

plus there is no preapproval to join the list. and we don't sell your email address ;-)

if you just want to read, you can subscribe but not have the messages mailed to you.

Seedot In SP?

by Dorothy

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:31

The SP threatened to sue Indymedia for libel within the last 2 weeks. The fact that you repeat the paranoid charge in true SP style makes me wonder about your bona fides.

Is it not possible to disagree with the SP and still be sane?

Paranoia

by Ray

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:38

One (or two) members of the SP made some really stupid remarks about indymedia being open to being sued for libel, but they didn't actually threaten to sue. The implication was there, but they seem to have copped themselves on (or maybe some senior members did it for them). (Nor were they speaking on behalf of the SP.)
But the SP bringing down the site? That is paranoia.

Now Ray

by Irony Is Truly Dead

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:41

Do you not thinkk that Dorothy is taking the Piss?

This is amusing

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:42

Absolute bullshit, Dorothy. As the person who responded to the ludicrous, disruptive and pathetic claims that there was a libel issue with regard to flippant, satirical and stupid comments directed against the Socialist Party, I can reassure you that current site problems are to do with the new database, rather than any legal issue. The improved functions of the site take up a lot of space on the web server.

The assertions made regarding libel had no basis in law or in fact and there was a spirited discussion about this on the editorial mailing list, as well as on the site. It is not that easy to bring down Indymedia! Like I said, I was the first to respond to these claims and if anyone would be aware of a successful legal threat getting the site closed down, it would be me. There you go, you have it from the (mixing animal metaphors) horse's mouth.

I can further vouch for seedot's political background as joining me in the great wide world outside the SP.

So now that you have the facts, could you give the conspiracy theories a rest?

yhtorod = itturud

by spok?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:46

SKOP = KOPS = SP?

Wed Jun 25, 2003 15:50

gnitseretni

by ihtiad - EI CMI fo 1

ei.dct@htiscam

pu su gnidniw enoemos eb tsuj dluoc ti ro. eb thgim

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by fasio

Wed Jun 25, 2003 17:29

they've gone cabalistic. Now as some of us know letters and numbers may be held to mean the same thing with certain names (such as mine) cyphers (the ones of Abramelin the mage, Leonardo da Vinci and Gaudí are the most well known, and the intriguing "sator-ators" cube formation pop most readily to mind).
I thought on these things over the weekend when that 21year old billionaire William of "engurland" had his birthday and the "Osama Cad" dude popped up and they all said "if mad IRA!!had done that we'd have no royal family".

I thought somehow connected through the ancient laws of gematria, oh, thought I here I am in some magical way mirrored and expressed somewhere else, in that nasty little village of Windsor. Horrible place. If the British Empire was won on the playing fields of Eton, and if Windsor is the favourite english home of the billionaires then a small easily made nuclear device would have sorted everyone out a long time ago.... That isn't quite pacifistic but anyway.

I personally think the commedian was paid to do it by one of the SaxeCoburgGoethe pals. Anyway, we have a missing week from the newswire, can anyone remember what happened?
Just in case you forget:
one month after the UN accepted the occupation of Iraq by the US/K, the symbolic pipeline of gas and oil through the centre of the country was blown up. The pentagon estimated it could stay for ten years, some senators thought they could squeeze all the oil out in five. The protesters in BCN went silly and started a hunger strike on a rope 35metres above the ground, and then were brought down by the firebrigade, the mad bad black block are "doing" Greece, and Justin wrote something interesting or is that gnitseretni on SF going "left".
I published a pretty clever solution to northern ireland in which I observed correctly that it is "casesensitive". So Louth and Letrumm are now to be reffered to as northern ireland. I also made slight reference to the decisive battle of Moira 614AD and was very shocked no-one picked me up on the innacuracy, the Battle of Moira was not decisive and is thought to have been held in 619AD.

Anyways...
athdi don't mind them.
they are indeed.
puyouingwind

if anyone knows a TD................

by o as if

Wed Jun 25, 2003 17:35

i'm sure there is something better they could do if they put their mind to it than just hassling them to go to the Dail next Friday.

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