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Galway - Event Notice Thursday January 01 1970 Organising For Anarchism In Ireland
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Tuesday April 08, 2008 10:19 by Peter Sullivan - WSM corkwsm at gmail dot com
A talk by Kevin Doyle and Sevinc Nazire of the Workers Solidarity Movement Anarchism is about building a society with maximum freedom and maximum equality. However, to achieve this we must first of all destroy capitalism . How can be done and how can we make it happen sooner rather than later? Anarchist ideas link a vision of a new world with the practical methods of getting there - through direct action and solidarity. Come along to the talk. All very welcome! |
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6You tell us that the first thing we have to do is destroy capitalism (something I agree with, or certainly replace capitalism) before we are to be told what a new society might look like. Would it not be better to tell people what a new society might look like and then tell them that in order for this society to be achieved, we will have to destroy capitalism?
If you destroy capitalism, then tell people what the new society will look like and they say they don't like the look of the new society, you are immediately left with splinter groups.
Just a thought,
Mark.
I tend to agree there, a chara, you cant expect people to destroy all they really know in the hope of being able to think of something better in the ensuing vacuum. Also the concept of maximum freedom is problematic, as who is to decide the limit of freedom that represents a maximum? Who will police that limit? I say this in a friendly and sympathetic way, as I agree that the state is the root of most of our ills.
"If you destroy capitalism, then tell people what the new society will look like and they say they don't like the look of the new society, you are immediately left with splinter groups."
I agree, we can't begin to overthrow capitalism until we know how we will fight it and what we will put in its place. I think the above piece was unfortunately phrased.
"If you destroy capitalism, then tell people what the new society will look like. If they don't like the look of the new society, you are immediately left with splinter groups."
I don't think there is anything wrong with my phraseology above. It makes a very clear statement: namely: people may not want to support the system (anarchism, for example) that is set up in the place of capitalism, and if this happens then those who overthrew the capitalist system(s) will be left with splinter groups.
The re-written version of it by "gg" is much worse than my original. Looking at it, it starts off with the word "if" but does not put any additonal condition into the clause, so it is incomplete. The second part is a full sentence but makes no sense because of the lack of an unconditional clause in the first. Perhaps gg, you could have changed it to: "You could destroy the capitalist system and then tell people what the new system will be like. If they don't like the new..." or just left alone.
Mark.
I interpreted W’s comment as saying that the “However, to achieve this we must first of all destroy capitalism” sentence in the original article was the poor phrasing and that as it stands, it probably wouldn't be a fair reflection of the organisation’s position (it's too simplified and reductionist). The following two paragraphs would be a better representation: