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category national | consumer issues | opinion/analysis author Wednesday October 24, 2007 11:41author by P'd off customer Report this post to the editors

go to the top, not to the queue.

I signed up to BT broadband over two months ago. Not only did the hook up the wrong house, but they billed me for it, insisted nothing wrong happened, and are dawdling over my
What's worse, their call centre takes ages to do anything, not surprising, given that one of their agents admitted to me that there were only 10 people working there the day I spoke to her, when the staffing level is supposed to be 60. Anyhow, sick of waiting for the always promised call back, I went hunting for the bigger fish.

I know I'm not the only one pi$$ed off at BT's 'service'
They've very careful not to put the corporate numbers on any of the consumer literature anymore, and to bamboozle us with automatic response machines, but sometimes that works against them.

If you ring the Dundrum office ( I had to make a few phone calls to get the number) on 01-2986510
an automatic program answers the phone.
Dial, 1 and when it asks for the name of the person to speak to say Emer Kennedy.
She's the head of BT Ireland's Consumer Division.
Leave her a long voice mail about your complaint.

I told her the gist of my complaint.
I ordered BT Broadband. Cos we already had a phone socket in the house, they decided, the only needed to work at the exchange, and not actually come to my house. I got a phone handset myself and wired it up.
They sent me a modem, and a letter saying I was now connected. There was no dial tone on the phone.
I phoned BT from someone else's house, and told them about this. They followed procedures, and did a remote test (they push a button and they get a red or green light response). They said, it's all working, so it must be the wiring in your house.
So, I rechecked the wiring, and tried every combination, but no thing changed. I asked for an engineer to come and fix it, and sent them an e-mail, in which I said, that we should not rule out the possibility that they hooked up the wrong house.
That was back in August.... i got the standard re-assuring e-mails... but still nothing happened, so I requested an engineer again, and they said "we already sent one to look at the exchange, and everything is fine. You'll have to get your own engineer to check your house wiring" . I said, I don't keep a staff of engineers handy, and I couldn't see why their engineer didn't just come to the house, after all, the exchange is only 800 metres away.
Anyway, I DID get an engineer, and he confirmed that I had hooked the house up correctly.
So, back to BT with this, and they're like parrots. No, the line is fine

ME : Send and engineer to my house please.
BT: Yes, sir, but if we do, we'd have to charge you if we fid the fault is your wiring.
Me : And if it's not my fault? Will you pay for the engineer that you told me to get in?
BT: Let me check that #long pause# Sorry, that's not our procedure...
Me: That's a bit of a double standard isn't it?
BT: All I can do is request another engineer, they should be with you in the next 10 working days.
Me: That's two weeks.
I gave them my mobile number, so the engineer could ring when he came.

So anyway, another week goes by and I ring.
Me: Where's the engineer?
BT: He came already.
Me: Not to my house he didn't.
BT: He checked the line and it's okay.
Me: I want to SEE and engineer, and I want him to tell me WHY the phone's not working. Otherwise, I'm cancelling the account. I want someone to ring me back to tell me what's going to happen.

Well, at this stage, I'm ringing everyday, despite the average waiting time being more than 30 minutes, and what's worse, some days I have to ring from my mobile.
the 1904 free phone number doesn't work from a mobile, so I had to ring the call centre on its 01 number, which is expensive to do from a mobile.
I get the usual procedure... confirm details, and then this guy starts to read through the notes on the file.
Me: Excuse me, but I'm calling from a mobile to an 01 number, I don't want to hear the notes, It's not news to me and it's costing me money.
BT: But this is a free number.
ME: Not from a mobile it's not, and my landline doesn't work, which is why I am calling. Just put me through to your supervisor before I run out of credit please.
BT: Well, the procedures say I can't put you through to a supervisor without trying to help, what's the problem?
Me: There's no dial tone on the phone.
BT: Oh, that's faults, I'll just transfer you.
Me: Do NOT transfer me.
BT: But it's a fault.
Me: The problem is no longer the fault, the problem is that it has gone unresolved for over a month, and my calls are not returned, nor my queries answered in my e-mails. So, I want to talk to your supervisor.
BT: Well, let me just check when that happened....

And that's when I ran out of credit. And they didn't ring back either.

So, eventually got through from a friend's phone, and after a 45 minute 'please stay on the line' I said I want to cancel the contract and get a refund. There was a lot of mindless babble as they stuck to procedure. Oh, we have to get that in writing, I'll e-mail you the form, and we have to check with accounts if anything is outstanding.
Me: How can there be any amount outstanding. I owe you NOTHING. I paidf 207 euros for a landline and broadband, and BT gave me nothing. I sent back the modem to you, so I owe you nothing whatsover, just close the account, and give me my money. I will send you the cancellation form.

Funnily enough, the next day an engineer rang to say he was going to come to the house and the exchange. I said I was out of the house, so he went to the exchange first. Well he rang me back...
Engineer :Do you live at 88 Allandale Estate?
Me: No...
Engineer: Did you live there before.
Me: No... I don't know even where that estate is.
Engineer: Oh, they've hooked up the wrong house then. I'll get on to them to fix it.
Me: Don't bother, I'll just cancel it. Thanks for your call though.

I sent the cancellation form. Waited 5 days. rang. They said they hadn't received it. But they'd get the line corrected for me. I told them that UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES should they try to correct the line at this stage, as I had gone off and got Eircom to give me a line, which they managed to do in just two days.

I sent another one cancellation form. waited 5 days. rang.

BT: Oh, we can't process the cancellation.
Me: Why not?
BT: Well, the cancellation seems to have been entered twice, and that causes a rejection on the system.
ME: Look, just sort it, it's simple. close the account, give me back my money.
BT: We can't do that. We have to disconnect the line as well.
Me: You hooked the line up to the wrong house. There's no reason in the world why I should have to wait for you to unhook a line at someone else's house. You gave me no service, so please just give me a refund without any more delays.
BT: I'll contact the relevant section. I'll email them today.
Me: Why don't you just pick up the phone and ring them?
BT: That's not our procedure.
Me: You're telling me that you can't pick up the phone?
BT: No.

That was over a week ago, and they keep promising to process it.

Anybody else have any experience with BT or other ISP call centres like this?

author by Paulpublication date Wed Oct 24, 2007 23:04author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Send them a letter (best of all a solicitor's letter) requesting payment of the amount owing plus amount equivalent to your time and money spent on phoning them, whatever you calculate that to be, and saying that if they do not provide this you will be forced to seek compensation through the courts.

Then if they don't cough up take them to the Small Claims Court.

author by In Writingpublication date Wed Oct 24, 2007 23:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Ya, That's interesting. Generally, what I would do is complain once & only once ( inwriting probably best with a photocopy and a recorded letter. time is very valuable . If you have to call more than once then there is a problem.
If you have proof you are in the right, just let it lye and as the last man said Action if they the person in the wrong)

author by Victor Meldrewpublication date Sat Oct 27, 2007 19:37author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Paul is dead right.

Small Claims Court with no further ado.

Be careful to get the details of the defendant technically correct , i.e., correct name and correct registered business address otherwise your proceedings may be dismissed for invalidity.

The general level of customer service offered by many companies in Ireland to-day is truly woeful. Ignoring correspondence is now quite a common practice so you have to get tough or get walked on.

author by aristotlepublication date Sat Oct 27, 2007 21:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Thank you for sharing this hilarious adventure in the fourth dimension of call-centres.

Sadly, BT is not the only practitioner of voodoo consumer-relations. Microsoft, Sony (never ever buy a VAIO because if it developes a fault replacement is cheaper than the phone bills to their call-centre), and our beloved health-provider, the VHI. The latter is becoming more and more like its US counterparts - the entire operation is becoming geared, not to providing a service to its customers, but to finding reasons to avoid paying out. Something to do with the forthcoming privatization and the priority of shareholder-value.

author by darkypublication date Mon Nov 05, 2007 01:06author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I know most of you who read this wont even care but..

I just started working at ** about a week ago , and on my second even call I've had people transfered through to the wrong department and wanting to make a complain. First of all , when an advisor tells you he cant help and they have to transfer you to the correct department is cause he really cant or that's what they've told him to do. As in every other job there are procedures to follow and if you don't you could get sacked. So even if an advisor spends 30 min listening to a customer's complain (even though the customer is always right) he could get sacked for not transfering him to the right department and delaying the queue of the customers he's supposed to deal with. Think of it this way, you're calling to order a phone or something on your bill , and somebody on the queue in front of you is complaining to the wrong department and refusing to get transfered through even though the advisor repeats that he cannot help and cannot make outbound calls ( which is a policy in some departments) .Not all departments use the same systems , and not all are linked between them. Mistakes happen , as in all other companies ,what i'm trying to say is don't blame all people for someone else's mistake and for following the procedures the company managers set them to do. We're people like you trying to earn our living and have to follow the rules.
Thanks

author by kaimerapublication date Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:48author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I'm hoping my situation doesn't turn out like yours even tho I did chuckle at the ineptness of your telco.

After 6 weeks of waiting for bb, including 2 weeks where they neglected to tell me I had to pay a security deposit in advance so my order was just sitting in a queue, it finally went thru and I got my modem.

Now I don't get a DSL light on either the main socket or the one in my room [which I would rather use.]

Seems they cant log a fault until my talk order finishes. :-/

I've pulled apart phone sockets to check wiring but still nothing. I really hope they didn't screw up the bb order and that I don't need an engi to come out.

I'm slowly dying inside without internets at home :(

author by P'd Off Customer.publication date Fri Nov 23, 2007 17:49author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I agree that generally it is the fault of those who set the procedures, but at the same time, a call centre worker, should remember that IF the customer is making his 15th call, then it's not the customer who needs to be brought up to speed by having someone read the account history back to him. In a case where the customer has done all the leg work, and figured out the problem him/herself, then the call centre worker should at least use his brain, and common manners to let the customer finish explaining how things stand, rather than going into robot mode.

These managers couldn't give a damn about customer service, only the appearance of doing something, while they obfuscate, and drop the customer service agent in the firing line, with orders not to let anyone get up the chain of command.

I'm getting my refund... by cheque, sent from India. "it takes up to six weeks".
Those B@sTards think of everything. They even get to have another six week's interest on my money for a service that they never provided.

author by Seán Ryanpublication date Fri Nov 23, 2007 18:12author address author phone Report this post to the editors

It might be the best €9 you ever spend.

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/categories/justice/co...court

author by Kevin - ComplainAboutBTpublication date Sat Jan 12, 2008 12:05author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Get it on record that you have complained! I was so fed up with BT seemingly getting away with not sorting out complaints properly that I have set up this site:

www.ComplainAboutBT.com

Feel free to visit and get your gripe on record. If you want the site will forward the complaint to BT and give them the opportunity to respond (or advertise the fact that they havent!)

Cheers

Kevin

Related Link: http://www.ComplainAboutBT.com
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