Gardaí and Shell are happy with progress in Mayo

by Jacqueline Fallon Tue Apr 17, 2007 00:30

This Gas Refinery will cause a rise in mercury levels entering the environment, and no matter now slight that rise is, any additional mercury entering the environment is an ominous sign, as it has the potential to affect people's health and marine animal life in the form of methyl mercury contamination. I attach some further information so people can be aware how this could impact on their health and our marine life.

CL is apparently a fan of the Shell Gas Refinery and loves nothing more than polluting the environment - that's his/her problem!

by cool j Sat Apr 14, 2007 17:19

Cl is still harping on about a study based on data supplied by Shell - hardly safe ground to make sweeping statements.

We all know their are tiny traces of heavy metals occuring naturally in the marine environment - problems only arise when industry discharges concentrated amounts into a water body - as Shell propose to do in the case of Broadhaven bay SAC.

by more Sat Apr 14, 2007 10:01

and more scientific data dispeling the theory.

http://www.consumerfreedom.com/news_detail.cfm/headline.../3033

Mercury Decision: 'Virtually All' Mercury In Ocean Fish Is 'From Natural Sources'

On Friday, when the scales of justice swung in California's landmark mercury-in-tuna court case, they hit some cherished environmental dogma squarely in the face. Green groups have long held that the trace amounts of methylmercury in fish (tuna being the most oft-cited example) are the result of pollution caused by human beings. In fact, most of the environmental campaigns that hype the theoretical health risks of eating fish are really aimed at changing clean-air laws. Fish are just a stalking horse, used to whip up fear about mercury in the environment. But now, at least in California, the truth has become a matter of law -- that the vast majority of these tiny traces of mercury are as natural as the earth itself.

by Local shop for local people Fri Apr 13, 2007 23:13

Absolutely CL, and after your recent outburst, gloating at the thought of peaceful protesters being assaulted by the Gardai, it's becoming increasingly hard for you to maintain your laughable pose as a disinterested observer raising questions. You're perfectly free to continue dishonest trolling, but don't expect people to be taken in.

by CL Fri Apr 13, 2007 23:01

why,Jacqueline?

I have stated before, that if S2S stops posting claims they (should) know to be untrue, I would stop pointing out they are untrue.
how difficult would it be for Jacqueline to have done a simple search on Google, and have discovered ..........http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/12/0312050533...6.htm

" Mercury levels in yellowfin tuna caught off the coast of Hawaii have not changed in 27 years, despite a considerable increase in atmospheric mercury during this time, according to a new study. The findings suggest that the high levels of mercury that have been found in tuna and other ocean fish may not be coming from pollution, but from natural sources."

The report by Prof. Matthiessen concludes that the discharges will "NOT" have any serious effect on the marine environment
Your claims that the discharge will cause mercury contamination in fish, will (if believed) cause a lot more problems for the local fishing industry than the discharge itself!
Discharges to sea of produced water from gas fields are nothing new, it has occurred for decades, if you have a genuine interest in protecting the public I suggest that you produce an example of where/when a similar discharge has been shown/suspected to have caused any such problems!

your claim "There is ample evidence worldwide of the connection between dangerous levels of methyl mercury stored in larger fish and Dolphins and Whales, and gas refineries and power plants emitting discharges of waste containing mercury.
see
http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/522270_2

see also http://www.ewg.org/reports/brainfood/execsumm.html?prin...ion=1

Mercury emissions from coal-fired power plants are the largest man-made source of environmental mercury,

were you serious when you stated "Dolphins and Whales would have extremely high levels of build-up of methyl mercury in their systems, and if they died, the risk from this stored contaminant in their system could have devastating environmental impacts"

That is a new one, how desperate would one need to get , to suggest that a single whale dying could have devastating environmental impacts?

your logic on Effects on Tourist Industry:, you win hands down on that, I never had any problem with logical debate/discussion on this project, giveaway of natural resources, arrogant attitude of the developers
dangerous high pressure production pipeline .ect.
Are all relevant points which should be scrutinized, but when you get individuals posting claims which are easily discredited/disproven, that is and always was what I have a problem with.

Please remember "you are not as clever as you think you are, and other people are not as dumb as you think they are!" (old, but true proverb)

by Jacqueline Fallon Fri Apr 13, 2007 21:56

Effects on Fishing Industry:

No matter how low the levels of mercury which will be discharged into Broadhaven Bay from the outflow pipe of the refinery, any additional mercury entering the bay poses a risk. Additional Mercury (as it does occur naturally as well) discharged from the outflow pipe into Broadhaven Bay will affect fish, as mercury is stored in their bodies and can build-up over time to highly toxic levels and is excreted from the fish’s system very slowly. When the fish, unfortunately for them, enter the food chain and into people's mouths, high levels of methyl mercury are consumed, which could result in neurological problems and nervous disorders and other problems affecting the nervous systems of humans (methyl mercury is also excreted slowly from humans). There is ample evidence worldwide of the connection between dangerous levels of methyl mercury stored in larger fish and Dolphins and Whales, and gas refineries and power plants emitting discharges of waste containing mercury. Dolphins and Whales would have extremely high levels of build-up of methyl mercury in their systems, and if they died, the risk from this stored contaminant in their system could have devastating environmental impacts, such as water pollution, and highly toxic methyl mercury level rises in fish and inevitably, when the fish enter the human system, methyl mercury could cause a myriad of neurological problems, being particularly harmful to unborn children and infants.

When this Gas Refinery ever gets built (and I hope it doesn't), fish caught in and around Broadhaven Bay, I hope, will be tested for high levels of methyl mercury before entering the food chain, this is particularly of concern and relevance to pregnant women, as the foetus would be very vulnerable to poisoning and neurological problems as a result of the rise of methyl mercury in fish, accelerated by the discharge of mercury from the gas refinery.

Here are some data sources to back-up my concerns: www.fmi.org/consumer/seafood.pdf and also
www.environmentaldefense.org/documents/3370_MercuryPowerPlants.pdf.

Effects on Tourist Industry:

Tourism will be affected, because it is not exactly aesthetically pleasing to take your holiday snaps at a location that contains a gas refinery in the background of an otherwise unspoilt scenic environment, nor do I know anyone who would like to picnic at a gas refinery, although you, perhaps, are one of the few!

by TJ Fri Apr 13, 2007 10:17

Shells own plans show where their outflow pipe will pump into, and it's no secret the type of things to come out of it. Does someone else have to write a report for you to state that these things are harmful?

by claim watcher Fri Apr 13, 2007 07:51

Jacqueline can you please include a reference to the source of the data for the claim you made below!

"Also, the environment and tourist industry, particularly the fishing industry, will suffer as a result of the construction of this gas refinery and pipeline, with waste being pumped into Broadhaven Bay, which will have detrimental effects on a variety of our precious marine mammals and wildlife."

As apart from S2S retroic, I cannot find any data that suggests this discharge will cause any of what you claim.

by Jacqueline Fallon Fri Apr 13, 2007 01:10

So, An Garda Síochána ('The Not So Peaceful Guardians') are delighted that our country's natural resources will be given away for nothing to Shell and that the people of this country (which includes them by the way) will have to purchase the gas back at market price - yes, we have some right unthinking 'tulips' in this organisation surely!

The Gardaí, as well as being pleased at our natural resources being taken by Shell, are also very pleased apparently with their treatment of the protestors, which involves beating the shite out of them, and reportedly bugging the protestors telephone lines, harassing and throwing anyone who dares to protest into ditches and abusing them - yes, it speaks volumes about this corrupt organisation alright! All this makes me wonder if An Garda Síochána are being paid by Shell, or is there a lot of money in it for them, given their ludicrous fanatical support and their willingness to protect Shell at all costs and the extreme violence they have shown towards the local protestors whose lands are being taken against their will?

I would like to applaud the people of Bellanaboy and all the Erris community and all others who turned out to voice their disgust at this robbery of our natural resources. It should be noted that this robbery was instigated as a result of Shell's lobbying of Criminal/Rogue 'Minister' Ray Burke (who eradicated Ireland's stake of 50% of any gas find and royalties), which today means all the people of Ireland lose out - those for and against this gas refinery and pipeline - nobody in this country benefits, as we will all have to purchase the gas back at market price (incl. the Gardaí). It is an absolute disgrace!

Also, the environment and tourist industry, particularly the fishing industry, will suffer as a result of the construction of this gas refinery and pipeline, with waste being pumped into Broadhaven Bay, which will have detrimental effects on a variety of our precious marine mammals and wildlife.

Best of luck to all the Shell protestors everywhere!

Ádh mór oraibh!

by responsible Thu Apr 12, 2007 18:40

Yea, see not everyone's as privileged as you, you moron. People have families, jobs etc., in other words responsibilities that come before running off to Mayo. But as Tadhg said, they can still be involved. I'm sure you'd prefer that only those, who can afford the time & money that activism requires, be included. The working class should be kept out of left-wing politics, right? You're pathetic.

by Get it right Thu Apr 12, 2007 16:32

Is it any wonder Dublin Shell to Sea is falling apart in a cloud of self-inflating importance? Ye cant even get your facts right of when the site is open. Its open on a Saturday so they can get as much peat out before theres trouble.
Best of luck with the weekend, but do us a favour. Dont be sticking your hands in doors and sensationalising it again. This campaign could do without a few of yer 'big smokes' from Dublin

by asia Wed Apr 11, 2007 16:59

what ever people think :the site close or open ..there in need for peoples support, ideas and planning so stop making intelectual arguments and excuses and make your way to Corrib this week or weekend or join local group if you support S2S. fair play to those who are there supporting the local poeple!!!!!!!

by wrong Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:27

ok its up to yourself,you are welcome to come and have some fun for the weekend, I am just stating the truth. why not contact pat /anthony or eddie and they will tell you?

by DS2S supporter Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:15

You are completely wrong. Peat haulage is taking place and your "friends" on the site can expect to see us down there on saturday. Shell to Sea

by wrong Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:13

I know several men who work on the site and they work a 5 day week, so please get your facts right, the only ones working on saturday are security men!

by DS2S supporter Sun Apr 08, 2007 10:10

People are working on the site on saturdays and suggestions otherwise are mistaken.

by dedecated Sun Apr 08, 2007 08:42

"Some people simply cannot afford the time to go to Mayo,"
A sad excuse for something as important as this )-:

by Tadhg Sun Apr 08, 2007 00:55

People are going to Mayo whenever they can. Some are going tomorrow from Dublin, some on Friday.

A small group are also heading down on Thursday evening. If you're in Dublin and you can take Friday off and want to travel to Mayo, call or text to 087132 33 69.

Some people simply cannot afford the time to go to Mayo, but there are lots of things you can do without even going far from the computer you are sitting at right now... send an email to dublinshelltosea@gmail.com if you need ideas.

But whatever you do, don't do nothing.

by picnic Sat Apr 07, 2007 21:09

Shells site is closed sat/sun. so I guess its drawing pics on the beach (weather permitting!)

by Weekender Sat Apr 07, 2007 19:07

Weekend trip seems a bit a bit odd. Will the be anything to do- or is this another trip we we all sit around and congratulate ourselves and draw pictures on the beach?

by Weekender Sat Apr 07, 2007 19:07

Weekend trip seems a bit a bit odd. Will the be anything to do- or is this another trip we we all sit around and congratulate ourselves and draw pictures on the beach?

by matt Sat Apr 07, 2007 11:33

Dublin Shell to Sea are organising a bus to Rossport, leaving Friday 13th April and returning on Sunday 15th for a solidarity weekend with Rossport.
Tickets for bus in Connolly Books.

Details are here.....
http://www.indymedia.ie/article/81839