Picket to be placed over VEC bus

by Curious Wed Aug 16, 2006 17:09

if RSF would be so vocal if it were two Protestant children being prevetned from getting on a Catholic bus.

by phil Wed Aug 16, 2006 17:26

of course they would.

by Also Curious Wed Aug 16, 2006 19:10

I don't think they would say anything if it was protestant kids. Have RSF been involved in the protests to keep Lisnasharragh secondary school open in East Belfast? No but then that is a state school in a protestant area!

by Very Curious Wed Aug 16, 2006 19:14

Its highly unlikely that RSF have members in Protestant areas of East Belfast. The SP do though. I'm sure they are taking up that fight.

by derrybrian Wed Aug 16, 2006 19:26

lol, some people will say very odd things just to have a go at RSF. What in the name of god is a "Catholic bus"?

Fair play to RSF for standing up for the rights of the 2 children involved.

by derrybrian2 Wed Aug 16, 2006 20:17

the Protestant bus RSF are complaining about except different religion

by Tolerant Tom Wed Aug 16, 2006 21:54

If RSF would check the legislation first instead of jumping to silly discriminatory conclusions they would discover that educational and medical establishments in the ROI can discriminate on the basis of the religious ethos of the establishment involved - see Equal Stautus Act. Protestant and Catholic schools are therefore allowed to discriminate. don't take my word for it - Equal Status Act 2000 s.7.

by Wolfe Tone Wed Aug 16, 2006 22:15

Irony is that it was the right wing Catholic lobby who looked for the above dispensation in the Equal Status Act at the time. Question that has to be asked is why are avowedly Catholic parents sending their kids to a Protestant school in the first instance?

by cian Wed Aug 16, 2006 22:40

If these two children were from the Muslim community, you wouldn't dare ask why they were going to Christian schools. Its outrageous, that these children would be denied a seat on the bus due to religous affiliation or lack there of.

RSF are right and you know it.

by Spinning Quickly Wed Aug 16, 2006 22:44

The main churches want to hang onto their property - not to mention their influence on young minds.

by Tolerant Tom Wed Aug 16, 2006 22:51

Cian. You miss the point completely. Under the law of this land kids can be discriminated against on the basis of their religion. Would you please read S. 7 of Equal Staus Act 2000!!! Pity you were'nt so excited in 2000 when the Act was being draughted.

by Donal Brennan Thu Aug 17, 2006 00:08

It’s a pity RSF and others wouldn’t read the Department of Education regulations relating to the School Transport Service. (The CEO of the VEC is Transport Officer by virtue of her position as CEO – neither she or the VEC make the regulations, she just implements them)

The regulations clearly point out that a free bus service is provided to students who live more than three miles from their nearest school.

I’m not from Limerick but I expect that the nearest school to the Gleeson household is not Villiers.

If a family decided to bypass their nearest school and send their children to a school further away from their home they are NOT entitled to a free bus service. This policy has been in operation for year and has been endorsed by the management of all the schools in the state and is supported by the teaching staff and trade unionists in the schools.

Can you imagine the uproar if the Department of Education agreed to provide a free bus service to pupils who did not wish to attend their local school and instead decided to attend a school four or five miles away !! There would be strike action within days!

However it should be pointed out that in respect of minority religions, in the event of their denomination having a school within a reasonable distance from their home they can avail of a free bus service (even if there is a school of another denomination nearer to them) This is commonly described as positive discrimination

In this context it is clear that the bus service to Villiers is provided to allow Protestants to attend their own denominational school. If Catholics choose to bypass their own schools and attend the Protest school which is further away from their home it is their choice but they have no entitlement to the free bus service.

I am amazed at the coverage of this issue in a “quality” paper like the “Irish Times” I know it’s the silly season but suggestions that Catholics are being discriminated against in this case are off the wall. Is there anyone in the IT that is familiar with the regulations. The same regulations apply in every part of the country – not only in Limerick.

As for the Gleesons solicitor stating that the Republic of Ireland has become a multi-denominational country, he is correct, in fact I thought that was always the case! However the fact is that 99% of schools in the state are denominational, not multi-denominational.

Personally I feel that all state schools should be non-denominational. If RSF are genuine about their republicanism and genuinely concerned about possible discrimination against Catholics then they would be joining me in demanding an end to state funding for denominational schools (Catholic, Protestant, Jewish etc) and in demanding that all state schools be non-denominational. I favour a genuine Republic.

by jerry 2623 Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:03

Well Said Donal .. This is just another cheap publicity gimmick by RSF. It would be much better for them to concentrate on real issues that affect the people of Limerick such as the amounts of illeagal guns and gang war fare in the area instead of trying to get there photos in the papers in time for the next election

by Robyn - villiers school student Wed Aug 23, 2006 14:39

I am a second year villiers school student. I live in Adare. For the past 5 or 6 years, a private bus has been organised by 2 families. I have been getting the bus for the past year.
Towards the end of the School year this year, there were talks about a different bus for the people who had been going on the private bus. This sounded great to everyone, because of the much smaller price and because it would be a coach and would be better than the usually packed (to the extent of people standing) bus.
I was talking to one or two Catholic people that attend our bus. They weret sure if they would have a place. They eventually ended up claiming they were protestant. I think it is ridiculous that people should have to deny their religio just to have a basic right to School transportation. It is ironic that my Religion tacher in school is a Catholic.

by Donal Brennan Wed Aug 23, 2006 18:17

If Robyn checks the Dept of Education website he will find the regulations for school transport. www.education.ie See “post-primary school transport scheme”.

You will note that there is no discrimination against Catholics.

by eire Wed Aug 30, 2006 12:41

The last 800 years it has never being about religion, E.g. United Irish men Etc

by pat c Wed Aug 30, 2006 13:28

Bus passes for the two children have arrived at the Gleesons home. (Irish Times 30/08/06) Its still unclear as to who sanctioned the issuing of the passes and on what grounds. The VEC may have decided to avoid an embarassing confrontation, the CEO of the VEC has a great deal of discretion and the final say (short of court cases) in individual cases.

The matter could crop up again next year for other pupils at this school or elsewhere in the country.