Bloomberg (Mayor Of New York) To Visit Ireland

by J Mc D Sat Jul 01, 2006 14:53

Apart from the Train is there any other tranport being organised by the IAWM?

by Wolf Tone Sat Jul 01, 2006 16:28

Odd, why is Bloomberg being criticized here ? because he became a self-made man? Mayor Bloomberg has been praised by Democrats, Liberals, Progressives, Republicans alike for standing up to President Bush on issues such as funding for the poor, schools, HIV funding, etc. and has been Re-Elected by a predominently Liberal citizenry. As for the 69th Infantry Regiment, indeed they did have a large role, they secured Freedom of movement for ALL along the Airport road known as Rte. Irish & the Muhallas of Al-Ameriyah. Their patrols ensured that both Military & Civilian traffic was free from attack, in fact attacks went down over 60% during their tour of that area. Col. Slack was instrumental in getting locals to get involved with their own security, establishing "Neighborhood watchs", use of a "Tip-line" , etc. as it was predominently Civilians who were injured & killed along that road. it cost them 19 fine young men killed & over 50 wounded doing just that. The only persons who needed to fear the 69th were those Planting Bombs on the shoulder.

by Tom Mooney Sat Jul 01, 2006 18:25

In 1860, in New York City, Michael Corcoran, refused to parade the 69th to honour the visiting Prince of Wales. A court martial was pending when the Civil War brought out. The heroic history of the 69th is well known. It is fitting that the Mayor of New York honour Michael Corcoran.

by Wolf Tone Sun Jul 02, 2006 06:03

The Mayor in NYC, Michael Bloomberg is currently trying to find ways to get the Illegal Guns off the streets of that city. For those unfamiliar with the situation, there has been a spate of recent shootings of people of colour, including a lass of 18, and a wee child of 5 years. Trying to save inner city youths from gun violence hardly sounds like a Fascist now, does it?

The Statue is Honoring an Irish Born Patriot who became a General in the union army of the USA civil war, ( helping to end slavery, Honorable wasnt it?). As to the 69th Regiment, it seems they were the first military unit to arrive at the World Trade Center on september 11th at the Disaster site, working for weeks to do rescue, recovery & security work. It seems according to some reports that 2 of their members were killed that day whilst trying to save Civilians lives. the units record whilst in Iraq by all accounts was exemplary- no hints at crimes, illegal killings, drugs, etc.

Is this really something to protest? this really seems like a Knee-jerk reaction to hearing an american is coming for a military ceremony. this seems to be the wrong target at the wrong time to what possible purpose? what is the advantage in time , money, resources to protest such an event, surely there are more deserving things to rail against?

by Tom Mooney Mon Jul 03, 2006 00:37

Incidentally, Bloomberg's visit to Ireland is a good indication that he is seriously considering a bid for the U.S Presidency.-as a third-party candidate.

by Yank Hater Mon Jul 03, 2006 01:17

USA OUT OF IRELAND!!!!
.Americans or their money are not welcome in Ireland anymore.

by Wolf Tone Mon Jul 03, 2006 08:39

Well, Youve shown the level of intelligence normally reserved for a Ring-Tailed Lemur Boyo, whilst embarrasing any Irishman or Woman. Consider your comment- what are You planning on doing about it? If you see an american are you going to assault them? good luck as the authorities will certainly take a dim view of that, or was it just some typical blarney? Like it or not american money is here to stay, and no amount of shrill hysteria will stop that.

by protest Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:42

I do not believe you are trying to drum up a protest to bloomberg, dumb dumb dumb. Kinda like, jump on the bandwagon, hes American like, shows your blatent anti-americanism, shure im sure you shall think of some lame excuse to protest nontheless, the guy has done more for charities than your lot will ever do, and hes hear to Honour an irishman --something you lot would know nothing about --honour that is

by pftt Mon Jul 03, 2006 10:47

This is what you intend to interrupt--this man more than deserves to be honoured:
Piss off and leave it be

Soldier, b. at Carrowkeel, County Sligo, Ireland, 21 September, 1827; d. at Fairfax Court House, Virginia, U.S.A., 22 December, 1863. His father was an army pensioner, and he himself joined the Royal Irish Constabulary when nineteen years of age. He resigned after three years' service and emigrated to New York in August, 1849. Here he soon became a leader among his fellow-countrymen. He enlisted as a private in the Sixty-Ninth Regiment of the State Militia, a command composed of Catholics of Irish birth or descent, and rose from rank to rank until he was elected colonel, 25 August, 1859. The next year the Prince of Wales (afterwards King Edward VII of England) visited New York, and in the military parade given in his honour Colonel Corcoran refused to order the Sixty-Ninth Regiment to join. For this act of military disobedience he was placed under arrest by the State authorities and ordered before a court martial. The trial created much excitement all over the country, his Irish countrymen enthusiastically applauding his course, and the case was pending when the Civil War broke out. The proceedings were immediately quashed, and the Sixty-Ninth, with overflowing ranks, was one of the first regiments to march, with Corcoran at its head, 23 April, 1861, to the defence of the Union. It participated with special gallantry in the first Battle of Bull Run, 21 July, 1861, in which action Colonel Corcoran was wounded and taken prisoner. He was kept in the Confederate prisons for thirteen months and then exchanged in August, 1862. His return to the North brought him a series of popular ovations and testimonials. He was commissioned a brigadier-general, at once raised a brigade of four regiments, which was called the Irish Legion, and, taking command of it, rejoined the army in Virginia in November, 1862. During the following year the Legion participated in several minor engagements, and while in camp at Fairfax Court House, Virginia, General Corcoran was thrown from his horse and died the same day from the effects of the accident.

by Yank Hater Mon Jul 03, 2006 13:18

Wolfe Tone.
Your type of people are doing a good bit of the ground work already.,and any Irishman or woman SHOULD be rightly disgusted as to how some people treat and spit on a country that has done immeasureable help to Ireland.You are now snapping the hand that helped and fed it.So now it is time to take it and it's money away. Ah the power of the internet,already the message that Americans are not welcome in the land of hyprocrites and bog gombeen men spreads.

USA BOYCOTT IRELAND

by response Mon Jul 03, 2006 14:44

Yes just like Jeb reasons are needed ( and not weak satire from a10 ) it nothing to with him being American its do with him being a rampant capitalist and how he bought himself a mayorship.

here is reason
http://cosmopolity.org/bloomberg/.

http://www.indypendent.org

by Mr. T. Mon Jul 03, 2006 15:25

Until I read this feature I was not aware that Bloomberg would be visiting Ireland.

I consider Bloomberg to be a role model for civil servants everywhere, especially for politically dysfunctional Ireland. He has managed the huge city of New York very effectively by getting things done rather than through obfuscation, division, manipulation and politicisation. The challenges he faces are far larger in scope and consequence than those we contend with in Ireland yet he is capable of making improvements to his city while our lot in ireland continues to get worse. He has been able to get devisive political enemies to work effectively with each other - something we haven't been capable of acomplishing in this tiny spec of a land Ireland.

Anyway, thanks for publicising his visit - I intend to travel to greet and welcome Mr. Bloomberg to Ireland, and encourage him to send emissaries to our country that may help teach our disfunctional political stewards how to get things done.

by Mrs T Tue Jul 04, 2006 01:07

If Mayor Bloomberg is currently trying to find ways to get illegal guns of the streets of New York why doesn’t he call in the 69th Infantry Regiment.

After all we are told that they “secured freedom of movement along the (Baghdad) airport road” during their “tour of the area”, and “attacks” went down 60%.

I love the terminology - “tour of the area” No doubt an older generation will remember the ‘Black and Tans’ doing “a tour of the area.” This generation need only view “the Wind that Shakes the Barley” to understand what “tour of the area” means.

By the way isn’t this the same Mayor Bloomberg who last December described the striking members of the New York Transit Workers Union as “selfish thugs” when he and the bosses tried to smash the transit workers strike. Billionaires should really be quite careful about using the word “selfish”

by Wolf Tone Tue Jul 04, 2006 02:15

Hmmm... you obviously dont understand what the Mayor was trying to do, after all it is his responsibility to the citizens to ensure fiscal soundness.
New York State has something called the "Taylor Law" which Forbids Public Employees of essential services from "striking "(Fire Service, Police, Ambulance , Transit Workers, etc). Mayor Bloomberg did not have this law enacted, it has apparently been on the rolls since the 1960's-70's era.
The transit workers union knew this & chose to strike, Violating the law, & betraying the Public Trust-should they not be penalized? if you deliberately hit a man knowing you would be pinched by the authorities, would you expect no punishment?
In fact the Union seems to be having trouble controlling it's own members, recently they voted down the contract endorsed by the union leadership.
I'd daresay you'd be hard pressed to find anyone who was not a sympathizer, or affected by the strike to support what turned out to be an incredible attempt to hold the city coffers hostage to a union that in fact has better benefits than many jobs in america.
As to calling out the 69th to rid the city of Illegal guns, that sounds like a good idea in theory, how would YOU go about using them? Would they have to be deputised as law enforcement officers with powers of arrest?
Do You NOT think it would be a good thing to stop the "gunviolence" directed at inner city youth, who are predominently of colour? Or , is that somehow Bloombergs fault as well?
Mrs. T if you have EVIDENCE of illegality by the 69th bring it forth- innuendo does not make a case, nor Gossip. Comparing them to Black & Tans may strike a cord using fear, but not fact madam.

by Mrs T Tue Jul 04, 2006 19:03

Mayor Bloomberg describes the New York striking transit workers are “selfish thugs”, while at the same time he supports George Bush’s pre-emptive war and occupation of a sovereign nation which has led to the death of in excess of 100,000 Iraqi citizens.

U.S. occupation forces torture, rape and murder Iraqi citizens but it’s the striking transit workers who are “thugs” !!!

by Mr. T. Tue Jul 04, 2006 21:09

Mrs. T. has a lot to learn. But apparently her lack of knowledge doesn't stop her from chirping on about matters she knows little about.

As mayor of New York city, Bloomberg doesn't have any command control over the 69th Infantry Regiment - they're New York State National Guard and the NEW YORK STATE GOVERNER (Pataki) commands them when they're in New York State. During war-time, National Guard units can be called up to serve in which case the chain of command shifts to the US national military, and then the governer has very limited (indeed, almost no) authority over them.

Bloomberg as mayor of New York City has no authority over National Guard units, but can request their assistance from the New York State Governor during times of emergency like floods, earthquakes, civil unrest, etc. But even in the case where the National Guard is called to help in the city it's the governor's role to command them not the mayor's. He was right to put the kibosh on the transit worker strike - the 3 days strike paralysed the city and cost over a billion $. Those who were worst affected by the additional transport costs and loss of work were the working poor - the wealthy still had their private cars drive them to work. And by the way, the strike was ultimately ruled illegal not by Bloomberg but by a judge.

I simply don't understand what drives hatred of Bloomberg beyond his personal success and wealth. He is a social liberal - actively supported gay marriage, a unifying force with the various ethnic communities, and has not provided any public support for the Iraq war (he says it's not a local issue and therefore refuses to comment). Bloomberg has said positive things about Cyndy Sheehan, but indeed he has taken a hard line on anti-war demonstrators - with the intent of stopping violence and vandalism rather than stifling dissent.

I'd be very pleased to have someone like him to manage the dysfunctional Irish government. He'd find a way to reorganise the broken health care system, reduce violent crime, deal with lunatic homicidal drivers who turn our motorways red with blood, punish the scumbags who throw bricks at speeding fire brigades or garda vehicles, open the way for state recognised gay marriage and keep everyone employed. We should expect more from our Irish political stewards - they're simply not working hard or smart enough.

by Micky's Dick Tue Jul 04, 2006 21:45

The same way big swinging Micky McDowell is going to do it! Thorntan Hall. He will fill it to the brim and fuck the long term results.

by Mr. T. Tue Jul 04, 2006 22:10

So I guess you find the current trajectory of Irish society to be acceptable? Change nothing? Allow the violent drunks to keep doing whatever mayhem they want to in the streets of our cities? Let the psychotic drivers continue to spill blood on our roads without a word of protest? Accept a healthcare system that would be violently unacceptable to even an average 3rd world resident?

That's quite a well thought out solution, Mickey's Dick. I can see more clearly from your attitude why we're in such deep shite and why it will most certainly get worse.

by skep Tue Jul 04, 2006 23:05

I still wonder if this is real call to protest with some obvious fake posts above, I doubt many will bother to protest him but he is coming to Dublin which may be a more appropiate time to make our feelings heard then at the memorial of this guy from a centruy ago http://www.sligoassociation.com/history.htm and find out what John Perry TD, and the AOH are up to.

http://www.foxrochester.com/News/Story/?ID=23597

Mayor Bloomberg will attend a breakfast in Dublin hosted by the Minister for Enterprise, Trade and Employment for the Irish Government, Michael Martin. U.S. Ambassador to Ireland James Kenny will also join Mayor Bloomberg for this breakfast meeting. While in Dublin, Mayor Bloomberg will also meet with Mary Harney, Deputy Prime Minister and Minister for Health; Michael McDowell, Minister for Justice, Equality, and Law Reform; and Dermot Ahern, Minister for Foreign Affairs.

Mayor Bloomberg will then travel to Ballymote, Sligo for the official unveiling of a monument of Brigadier General Michael Corcoran in honor of New York's famed Fighting 69th Regiment.

http://www.unison.ie/sligo_champion/stories.php3?ca=34&...14281
More than 200 people are expected to travel from the United States for the event.

by Mrs T Wed Jul 05, 2006 18:33

We in Ireland “obviously don’t understand what the Mayor is trying to do.”

Bloomberg “has taken a hard line on anti-war demonstrators with the intent of stopping violence vandalism rather than stifling dissent.”

Bloomberg describes the striking New York transit workers as “thugs”

I think we do understand what Mayor Bloomberg is trying to do.!

by Wolf Tone Wed Jul 05, 2006 20:45

Madam.... You indeed still "Dont Get It" either out of complete ignorance or just adherence to a political agenda Irregardless of fact.
Just Yesterday in the american papers there was an article about how the Mayor(Bloomberg) of NYC was putting forth his ideas on Immigration which would probably suprise you. He thinks that "Illegal Aliens" in the states Should be allowed to become full Citizens- hardly the "Neo-Con/Fascist" way of thinking.
Again I think the great many of anti-Bloomberg comments are mostly Jealousy out of misguided ideas of the "Rich". If you take the time to look at the mans record, not his bank holdings- you would find numerous examples of generousity, & Progressive actions.
As for his actions regarding anti-war protests, as the Mayor of a city it is his sworn duty to protect citizens, property, etc from violence, vandalism. Numerous are tthe accounts of previous demonstrations breaking windows, damaging private property, not all are peaceful in the movement. many are as Militaristic as any Supremicist Movement of the old south.
As A Progressive, I believe we must be Intellectually honest, Not all want to hear simple truth, if it interferes with personal bias. Bloomberg has come out for immigration rights, HIV research funding, Gay marriage, stopping Violence against people of Colour in the inner city, going after Tobbacco companies for the Poison they sell, again NUMEROUS are the examples of his actions, not the simple label of "Rich= Evil", that label is for Simpletons.

by redjade Thu Jul 06, 2006 01:30

'Bloomberg has come out for immigration rights'

this is true - its not so much that Bloomberg is proressive or liberal - just based in the real world, thats all (these days this is something to congratulate!?)

-redjade

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- The economy of the country's largest city and the entire nation would collapse if illegal immigrants were deported en masse, New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg told a Senate committee hearing Wednesday.

New York City is home to more than 3 million immigrants, and a half-million of them came to this country illegally, Bloomberg testified.

"Although they broke the law by illegally crossing our borders ... our city's economy would be a shell of itself had they not, and it would collapse if they were deported," he said. "The same holds true for the nation."

The hearing, led by Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Arlen Specter, R-Pa., in Philadelphia, was one of several held nationwide as congressional Republicans take to the road to discuss overhauling immigration laws.

more at
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/I/IMMIGRATION_HEAR...08-27

by Mrs T Thu Jul 06, 2006 14:43

In an attempt to justify Bloomberg’s banning of anti war demos in New York you say “it is his sworn duty to protect citizens, property, etc from violence, vandalism. Numerous are the accounts of previous demonstrations breaking windows, damaging private property, not all are peaceful in the movement. many are as Militaristic as any Supremicist Movement of the old south.”

You can’t be serious?

How come anti war demos aren’t banned in every other city in the US?

by Tom Mooney Thu Jul 06, 2006 17:44

No anti war demos were ever banned in NYC by Bloomberg or anyone else. There was a dispute about the location of the protest.
Compare Bloomberg's views on immigration with those of Patrick Hurley, as expressed in the current issue of the Blanket. Ireland is still producing narrowminded bigots.

by Mr. T. Thu Jul 06, 2006 17:47

The reason why there was a ban on demonstrations in new york for so long was because the police and other authorities did not have the resources to insure the safety of the UN, the protesters or the probable counter protesters. It was a matter of public safety and was ruled on by a federal judge, so it's not simply Bloomberg carrying out his whims.

Anyway, a large protest took place just a few weeks ago in new york that bloomberg didn't oppose so it would seem either bloomberg's policy is changing or the demonstrators are selecting better venues for their protests.

In any case, Bloomberg is far more progressive than most american leftist democrats, but that may not carry much street cred with the SWP red flag brigade.

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2006/667/667p20b.htm

by Tom Mooney Thu Jul 06, 2006 20:12

Yesterday in Philadelphia Mayor Bloomberg described Immigration Bill HR 4437 as 'pure fantasy'.
This racist piece of legislation, sponsored by Gerry Adams' pal, Peter King, would make it a felony to be in the U.S. without documentation. Patrick Hurley, in the Blanket, also supports this piece of bigotry.
Bloomberg stands for common sense and civil liberties. Yahoos, such as Hurley and King, in their support for Anglo-Saxon homogenization in the U.S., are bigots ignorant of Irish history.
Bloomberg should be welcomed to Ireland to honor Michael Corcoran and the 'Fighting 69th' by all civil libertarians and by those who appreciate the real history of the Irish in America.