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Monday May 22, 2006 23:11

by Patrique - NIPSA

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Stalinism or Democracy?

NIPSA conference meets next week to decide policies and principles. But who decides these, the members and branches, or General Council.

Someone on another thread helpfully mentioned Stalingrad in a post, which set me to thinking about Joe Stalin. Now Joe had this system known as "Democratic Centralism", whereby the party elected an inner sanctum, and the inner sanctum ruled on behalf of the party, they made all the decisions, and could not be questioned by the party membership.

Having looked at Category X on the conference agenda, I was wondering if the NIPSA General Council believe that NIPSA adhers to Democratic Centralism. Category X contains the motions ruled out of order, and many are ruled out on the grounds "that General Council does this, you cannot tell General Council what to do".

Now look at the NIPSA constitution. Rule 5.1 states: " The Annual General Conference shall determine the principles and policies of the Union". That is all it says, no more, no less.

Now look at rule 6.1: "Between meetings of the Delegate Conference, the general management and control of the union and the handling of the whole affairs shall be VESTED in the General Council (hereinafter referred to as The Council). The Council shall conduct its affairs in accordance with these rules, and with the principles and policies of the Union as determined by the Delegate Conference".

So it would appear that General Council can only act on behalf of Delegate Conference. So why are motions ruled out of order on the grounds that you cannot tell General Council what to do? The constitution clearly states that conference tell them what to do.

Comments welcome, especially if they can enlighten me, and explain this apparent contradiction to the constitution.

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Comments (94 of 94)

#	Title	Author	Date
1	Union runner	Colm	Fri May 26, 2006 19:31
2	Who runs the union	Patrique	Fri May 26, 2006 22:37
3	read the rules	Con Stitution	Sat May 27, 2006 00:20
4	constitution	patrique	Sat May 27, 2006 01:07
5	Could it be	all knowing all seeing	Wed May 31, 2006 19:25
6	Never was a sinking ship abandoned with such alacrity and	Alacrity	Thu Jun 01, 2006 13:21
7	Who Runs The Union?	Big Brother	Fri Jun 02, 2006 17:47
8	success	Patrique	Fri Jun 02, 2006 19:31
9	Success?	Big Brother	Fri Jun 02, 2006 21:36
10	How many patriques?	patrique	Fri Jun 02, 2006 22:19
11	the wheels on the bus	stroppy	Sat Jun 03, 2006 01:23
12	?	O	Sat Jun 03, 2006 13:47
13	Time For Change Election	Big Brother	Sat Jun 03, 2006 17:09
14	CSG	O	Sat Jun 03, 2006 19:17
15	directions from the bus	stroppy	Sat Jun 03, 2006 19:30
16	rumour?	patrique	Sat Jun 03, 2006 20:55
17	well take on me	stroppy	Sat Jun 03, 2006 21:53
18	Who runs the union	Certainly not above the parapet	Sat Jun 03, 2006 23:21
19	The ego has landed	Geoff Cowden	Sun Jun 04, 2006 11:53
20	Geoff can't seee the wood for the trees	What about the truth	Sun Jun 04, 2006 16:56
21	Real debate	No egos here	Sun Jun 04, 2006 19:02
22	Whistle blowing	patrique	Sun Jun 04, 2006 19:35
23	Imposters	Patrique	Sun Jun 04, 2006 19:38
24	union bus-ting	stroppy	Mon Jun 05, 2006 00:55
25	no word?	O	Mon Jun 05, 2006 01:00
26	silly trolls	stroppy	Mon Jun 05, 2006 01:07
27	I have no voice.	patrique	Mon Jun 05, 2006 01:49
28	By the way.	Patrique	Mon Jun 05, 2006 01:54
29	respect	i'm back	Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:45
30	Keep it up	Sometime Supporter	Mon Jun 05, 2006 14:29
31	political nous	patrique	Mon Jun 05, 2006 16:28
32	spelling	patrique	Mon Jun 05, 2006 16:32
33	Conference	dave topping - conference delegate	Mon Jun 05, 2006 16:38
34	Naivity	CB	Mon Jun 05, 2006 17:14
35	BREAD AND BUTTER	THE ICEMAN	Mon Jun 05, 2006 21:58
36	Bread and buttter	TMcK	Mon Jun 05, 2006 23:28
37	Double Standards	Confused	Tue Jun 06, 2006 13:01
38	revolution	brian broth	Tue Jun 06, 2006 16:52
39	you are confused	patrique	Tue Jun 06, 2006 20:07
40	riots	Patrique	Tue Jun 06, 2006 20:08
41	bus womans holiday	stroppy	Tue Jun 06, 2006 20:14
42	shame	Patrique	Tue Jun 06, 2006 21:54
43	rosa parks she aint	stroppy	Wed Jun 07, 2006 01:26
44	Is this NIPSA?	O	Wed Jun 07, 2006 09:34
45	Wassat,then?	Typical member	Mon Jun 12, 2006 13:53
46	O,really?	The Horned Beast Of Armageddon	Tue Jun 13, 2006 13:43
47	nor me	Patrique	Wed Jun 14, 2006 23:22
48	whos driving the bus	stroppy	Thu Jun 15, 2006 00:06
49	News For TFC's Useful Fool Wing	Captain Stoutheart	Fri Jun 16, 2006 13:56
50	SP and TFC	patrique	Fri Jun 16, 2006 19:05
51	union bus-ting	stroppy	Sat Jun 17, 2006 18:49
52	rainbow	Patrique	Mon Jun 19, 2006 23:33
53	rainbow omnibus edition	stroppy	Tue Jun 20, 2006 02:07
54	Workers' strike?	The Coelacanth	Tue Jun 20, 2006 15:17
55	political fund	Sean	Tue Jun 20, 2006 15:23
56	political fund	Patrique	Tue Jun 20, 2006 19:23
57	politicalfunds for use of SP	stroppy	Wed Jun 21, 2006 01:00
58	crimes and misdemeaners	Patrique	Wed Jun 21, 2006 22:00
59	end of bus-iness	stroppy	Thu Jun 22, 2006 00:44
60	In their own words........	Lieutenant Pigeon	Thu Jun 22, 2006 14:15
61	Clearing something up	Mark P	Thu Jun 22, 2006 14:46
62	bureaucrats?	patrique	Thu Jun 22, 2006 23:41
63	Everyone needs a hobby	The Devil	Fri Jun 23, 2006 13:37
64	Patrique	Mark P	Fri Jun 23, 2006 14:21
65	Mudding the waters	Red Fred	Fri Jun 23, 2006 20:58
66	The Reality Of Bureacracy	Sir Pellinore Gwayne-Cust	Sat Jun 24, 2006 15:15
67	A brief and hopefully final reply	Mark P	Mon Jun 26, 2006 13:44
68	unlike yourself of course ....	amanda allaway	Mon Jun 26, 2006 18:28
69	the members don't run the union	Tim Clarke	Mon Jun 26, 2006 21:20
70	reserved seats	...	Mon Jun 26, 2006 21:27
71	the left and the unions	Tim Clarke	Mon Jun 26, 2006 22:08
72	Come on Tim	patrique	Tue Jun 27, 2006 22:11
73	Unity is Strength	Tim Clarke	Wed Jun 28, 2006 01:42
74	come on Tim	Patrique	Sat Jul 01, 2006 00:09
75	Who Runs The Union?	Big Brother	Mon Aug 14, 2006 23:20
76	Official Requiem	Ray Krebbs	Tue Sep 05, 2006 12:55
77	when the votes are in.....	vote counter	Tue Sep 26, 2006 14:31
78	elections	Patrique	Tue Sep 26, 2006 23:25
79	Who Runs The Union?	Big Brother	Thu Sep 28, 2006 23:53
80	elections	Patrique	Sat Sep 30, 2006 00:17
81	It's hammer time......	Thor	Wed Oct 18, 2006 00:33
82	Who Runs The Union?	Big Brother	Thu Oct 19, 2006 22:46
83	Ears Burning?	Old Tom Merry	Sat Oct 21, 2006 17:17
84	Elected to serve	stroppy	Sat Oct 21, 2006 23:37
85	Time For Thatcherism?	Brother Justin	Sun Oct 22, 2006 15:38
86	Back to Basics	Scratch	Thu Nov 02, 2006 20:55
87	Who Runs The Union?	Big Brother	Sat Nov 04, 2006 01:00
88	working class heroes	stroppy	Sat Nov 04, 2006 01:55
89	AGM speaker	patrique	Sat Nov 04, 2006 15:35
90	Use your head	Trade unionist	Mon Nov 06, 2006 14:10
91	Common sense talks well.	The Wing of Nut - nipsa	Mon Nov 06, 2006 18:50
92	And another thing	Scratching my head	Thu Nov 09, 2006 13:53
93	Politics	MB	Fri Dec 01, 2006 17:01
94	Who Runs The Union	Big Brother	Mon Aug 13, 2007 21:57

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