Christmas vigil organised by Asylum seekers

by Observer Sun Dec 25, 2005 17:05

Referring to the link above in one of the most recent comments, it states that the Minister for Justice was detailing some excuses that asylum seekers use but it doesn't mention that these cases are actually true.

by Observer Sun Dec 25, 2005 15:43

Your statement above about the Irish in America is a different situation completly. America is built on service industries and its citizens must work otherwise they get no money. They only have a 6 month social welfare system. Non-genuine asylum seekers in this country, like any other EU country are sent back. Some have seen Ireland as a soft touch and this is why our immigration system was reformed. America deports a lot more mexican asylum seekers than we do every month. So, I can't see what the link is between the Irish immigrants in America and the asylum seekers here.

by Kevin Sun Dec 25, 2005 15:04

Eoin,

There is a major difference between the Irish in America and the Nigerians in Ireland. The Irish did not go to America to claim asylum on mostly false grounds. The Irish did not go to America to spend millions of taxpayers dollars on injunctions etc. The Irish went to America to work, very different to the position we find ourselves in on this Island.

The chances of an amnesty for failed asylum seekers in Ireland start at zero and end at zero.

by Eoin Dubsky Sun Dec 25, 2005 14:32

I think it's quite simple -- If Irish undocumented workers in the US should be granted amnesty or favor, then the same should apply to people coming to Ireland to make a living. Anything else is rank hypocracy. The Irish staying illegally in the US are no different from those who come to stay in Ireland.

by Observer Sun Dec 25, 2005 12:25

If every asylum seeker used the same reason which quite a few do in many instances, then it would seem that the claim is actually false. In Europe, this is the case in a lot of circumstances and this is what Kevin was pointing out. From "observing what you say" I get the idea that you would be campaigning for permanent stay for all asylum seekers even if some were proven not to be genuine asylum seekers. That is not a policy.

This new immigration system we have tackles that very problem as it allows only genuine asylum seekers to be granted asylum. That way, it helps solve the problem of 'mixing up' genuine asylum seekers for non-genuine asylum seekers.

How would you deal with non genuine asylum seekers?

by R. Isible Sun Dec 25, 2005 03:46

It's a regurgitation of McDowell's claims. The actual evidence that it presents are that 1% of the claims are accepted and the rest rejected. Not that the claims are false. Somewhere, McDowell's counterpart in Euroland is citing the Irish as evidence that 1% of asylum seekers claims are true. It's circular. Now, cite evidence that shows the majority of claims are false: not that the majority of claims are rejected.

by Helper Sun Dec 25, 2005 03:12

Remember, mathematically, 51% iremains the magic number for a majority.

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2005/06/12/story5582.asp

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Sun Dec 25, 2005 02:54

You haven't shown the statistics "from all over Europe" which, you say, "show the majority of Nigerian asylum claims are false".

Observer, please observe what I say, not what you "are getting here", which is not what I said.

by Kevin Sat Dec 24, 2005 11:46

Justin,

Firstly, the work permit system is the method to get employment in Ireland, not the asylum system. Secondly, we are obliged by EU regulations to look first to EU citizens to fill jobs in Ireland. It is ridiculous for you to say "let the asylum seekers work" when less than 0.6% of Nigerian applicants succeed at the first instance in claiming asylum. The figure is not exactly huge either at second instance. This underlines the reason why they are being deported; it is not an asylum system unique to Ireland. You cannot legalize all those who are found to be abusing our immigration system.

by Observer Sat Dec 24, 2005 10:36

But some asylum seekers do not intend to work and what would you say to that? Some have seen Ireland as a soft touch, and this new immigration system we have is a very good one because it allows only genuine asylum seekers to claim asylum. From what I am getting here, you would grant asylum to every asylum seeker including those who did not deserve it. You can't have a system like that, you have to maintain your national immigration laws.

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Sat Dec 24, 2005 03:59

The system is headed by a Minster who made the outrageous comment above on national television and has not as yet been reprimanded for it.
Asylum seekers want to work but are not allowed to.
Why, when we are looking for workers, don't we allow the qualified people who are already here to work instead of deporting them?
This cannot be said to be a fair system. The Minister's state of mind as revealed by his bullish comment points to a policy that is unjust and intolerable

by Observer Sat Dec 24, 2005 01:44

If people come to claim asylum, its only fair that they are checked as to whether this claim is true, and the system in Ireland does actually investigate this claim thoroughly. Maybe you think otherwise. I think that this immigration system we have is good because it allows genuine asylum seekers to gain asylum.

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Sat Dec 24, 2005 01:11

Show us those statistics from all over Europe, please

by Kevin Fri Dec 23, 2005 19:30

The Minister can say what he likes on this matter, he is iafter all in charge of the system. He said those remarks because the statistics from all over Europe show the majority of Nigerian asylum claims are false. Deportations are the only solution to this problem.

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Fri Dec 23, 2005 19:20

And our Minister for Justice can tell us on RTE that he would prefer if Nigerian asylum seekers were not allowed into the country for a hearing but that he (Minister) could meet them at the airport and send them packing back to Nigeria with their bogus asylum claims.
And our Minister for Justice can get away with this.

by Observer Fri Dec 23, 2005 15:41

Its not the way you think. We, as a nation welcome tourists and people who come to work. We can't welcome some asylum seekers who will not work. We do have a fair immigration policy and it isn't racist. Yes, I am against racism but our immigration policies arent racist. The law has to be applied where necessary.

by Jack Fri Dec 23, 2005 15:38

I am no supported of the PD's. Between the lobby groups and 'sensational' and corrupted irish media, anyone who defends an immigration policy is labelled a racist etc. The public have coped onto this and don't fall for it anymore. People who go through the immigration process and fail, must have failed for a reason and i doubt they would be harressed and intimidated. What is the alternative, let everyone in, have an amnesty?? What happens then, word spreads and everyone flocks here. Sending people back is not a nice business and is unfortunate but its always going to be a fact of life..

by lawless Fri Dec 23, 2005 14:51

If the previous contributor thinks that tiny groups that campaign for asylum seekers' rights can bully politicians into doing what they want he must be living in a different universe(is that the PD universe?). If he also thinks that a fair immigration policy involves the intimidation and forced removal of very vulnerable african women with children back to who knows what he really has joined the cast of Alice in Wonderland.

by Jack Fri Dec 23, 2005 14:27

That is nonsense and it is these types of out landish remarks and tactics that the stop deportations lobby groups try to employ to try and bully the authorities and politicians into doing what they want. The irish people voted and the huge majority sent a clear message to the government to stop our system being abused and to control immigration fairly. Eastern europeans are welcomed in cause they joined the EU!!!

by lawless Fri Dec 23, 2005 13:54

allowing a few thousand asylum seekers leave to stay and work is not going to ruin ireland. we have seen over eighty thousand people from the eu accession countries come here in the last several months(and they are very welcome in my view) ,and the state has no trouble absorbing them. it is no coincidence that the irish state welcomes arrivals from eastern europe, because most of them are white catholics, but takes exception to small numbers of africans and roma turning up and actively and aggressively acts to send them back-this is clearly a racist immigration policy.

by Jack Fri Dec 23, 2005 11:35

The majority do not fall for this bull.. deportations are a necessary evil. We cannot let everyone in. Everyone other country is the same. Border controls are neccessary in every country. You have to draw the line somewhere..

by Observer Fri Dec 23, 2005 00:31

Are you proposing that all asylum seekers be allowed indefinite stay?

by shanesligo Thu Dec 22, 2005 18:05 shanesligo at vodafone dot ie

I hope to be up in Dublin tomorrow and I will support your vigil .
Best of luck to all involved
Please check out "www.letthemstay.org" on google and read all about our case in Sligo of a mother and two young girls seperated from each other over Christmas, thanks to King Herod McDowell's deportation orders. These young girls Naomi (4) and Jemima ( 3) face the brutal ritual of FGM Female Genital Mutiliation if returned to Nigeria. Their Mother Pamela has had to go into hiding to protect herself and her daughters

by Emma Mon Dec 19, 2005 20:19

The date for the vigil has changed now the vigil will be on the 23rd of December at 4pm at meeting at the spire.

by Con Carroll - Class-War Mon Dec 19, 2005 14:39

come on people get off your arses and show solidarity.