Sinn Féin - 100 Years Of Revolution Talk

by Penpal Mon Oct 10, 2005 21:29

God, they dont waste any time do they........?Irelands largest Facist organisation are now going to rewrite the history and attempt to elevate themselves to the calibre of people like Wolf Tone,Pearse and Connolly.What have they ever done for the Labour Movement in Ireland except stand by and watch or take part in the deaths of dozens of innocent workers tortured and murdered?
What would Connolly make of their socialist bleatings at the media while their leaders operate one of the largest money laundering, and mafia type organisations in Europe?.......He would see them for what they are ..........a reincarnation of the National Socialist Movement of the 20th centuary........21st centuary Nazis.......The Sinn Fein Nazi Party.

by silent bob Tue Oct 11, 2005 11:45

oh yeah thats right if you check the sinn fein website it does have significant details about their "lebensraum" plans for belfast. them catholics are breeding fast up there so they better get their skates on. i hear ballymena is next on the list. also i heard that the shinners (when they take over ireland that is) are going to use the kesh as a massive gas chamber for jews......no wait loyalists. especially the poncy ones that model themselves on poor old doris day (god rest him). yeah and theyre gonna make any of the unionists that havent converted to republicanism wear a big "U" (star of david style) on their clothes so everybody knows who they are. yeah their just like the nazis aren't they?

funny though i hadn't heard of one prosecution for this money laundering craic though. mad that? i was under the impression that we operated in a legal system that convicted people on actual evidence as opposed to speculation. nobody told me about the new department of justice policy ; if the sunday independent say it it must be true. ah sure if only the provos had of shut up years ago, we'd all be living in a big utopia now where catholics and protestants would run through the meadows hand in hand. ahhhh. but damn it what can you do, those pesky shinners (and the youth at that) are having "discussion nights" in tyrone. oooooh scary stuff. the plan to take over the country and finish the poxy labour movement off altogether right here on indymedia. must mean a nazi takeover of the media then.

by strange_but_true Wed Oct 12, 2005 18:57

Over the period 1969-2005 SInn Fein / IRA killed more Irish people than the British army. Do you understand now ?

by statto Wed Oct 12, 2005 21:08

The intention is not to get into a long drawn out debate on who killed the most of any grouping among the 'troubles' dead but official statistics do not always tell the full story.
The number of civilians killed by the BA/RUC will never be truly known as many murders believed to have been carried out by British death squads have not been formally attributed to them. If you then factor in the very significant number of murders which the BA/RUC facilitated and actively colluded in throughout the 32 counties a very different set of statistics emerge.
Statistics do not also cast any light on the number of civilians murdered by BA/RUC before the first murder attributed to the IRA.
The previous posters are of course entitled to their views but do they find anything offensive or hypocritical about rememberance events which laud the actions of BA/RUC in Ireland?

by Barry Wed Oct 12, 2005 22:55

they also show that the only 2 British soldiers ever convicted of murdering Iirsh civilians were set free and returned to their regiments .

by statto Wed Oct 12, 2005 23:38

Even those statistics fail to tell the whole story. The fact that any of HM finest were charged with murder was a miracle in itself. The family of 13 year old Kevin Heatley murdered outside his house in Newry by a British soldier had to watch a judicial sham unfold. Francis Foxford who murdered Kevin slandered him by saying first he was a gunman until this was disproved. Next up he died in crossfire during a gunbattle until this also was proven to be lies. Final throw of the dice was the old serious riot defence to muddy the waters which never failed. Foxford finally found himself up on a manslaughter charge , don't worry that one beats me too, I always thought shooting a child in the head was murder particularly when there was no threat to life never mind limb. But even that was too much and Francis ended up charged with unlawful killing and got 3 years. OK you guessed it he appealed and got released shortly afterwards and went back to his regiment.
I wonder does Francis march on remembrance day maybe penpal could write to him and find out.
Mind you he could have been kicked out of the regiment later on if found out doing something really serious like taking drugs.

by Barry Thu Oct 13, 2005 01:04

Kevin Heatley , 13 , was sitting on a wall when British soldiers passed by . He was wearing his school uniform . The child made a cheeky remark to the soldiers . Trooper Foxford turned round and shot him at near point blank range in the head with an SLR .

Majella OHare , an 11 year schoolgirl was shot dead by British soldiers only a few miles away in South Armagh . She was wearing her school uniform but yet again they claimed she was mistaken for a gunman .

And anyone who despises them for these acts is generally labelled an extremist .

by strange_but_true Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:38

The point is not that the BA/RUC were 'good', the point is that if you were living in the north between 1969-2005 then you were as likely to get killed by your 'protectors' as your 'enemies'.

The point is not that the BA/RUC did not murder anyone, the point is that our 'army' was not much better and was arguably worse.

I guess what I'm trying to get across is that if there is to be resistance then it needs to be principled and appropriate - by the mid '70s SF/IRA activities became possibly the major reason for the BAs continued heavy presence in the six counties (which suited SF/IRA at that time just fine).

Did the BA kill children? Yes. Did the IRA kill children? Yes. So lets despise those working class squaddies who knew all there was to know about the troubles and lets worship those fearsome warriors who, in the spirit of 1916, used remote controlled bombs in streets and shops.

by For Whom The bell Tolls Sun Jan 15, 2006 00:35 gfrotendro1 at ozonline dot com 786 341 2300

Unfortunately the resulting deaths of innocent people within a war zone will allways be a shame upon the many. However the opposing side should also take the responsibility for the act of an opposing soldier by un bravely putting the young and old at grave risk within battle. Mr Foxford , right or wrong was in the heat of duty. No explanation can be given to appease a death at all only to say that the parties on both sides in a much higher rank and file than Mr. Foxford, should hang their head in shame for the infutile result and placement of duress of its people innocently living a life.
Do not extend your pathetic order upon one mans own misfortune wherever there is war in the world, he is merely sent and it will cause misjudgement in heat. The result of the war is what you are truly interested in.
I hope that one day you will understand the true value of factional fighting, a big round 0. There should be a better answer, think a little more. Yes I am a relative of A victim.

by statto Sun Jan 15, 2006 16:04

No one was put at risk by anyone in battle. Foxford may have been sent in by those of a higher rank but he was under no pressure when he fired the shot except perhaps by alcohol fuelled machismo or his propaganda fuelled hatred for natives he neither knew nor understood. I knew the victim and neither he nor anyone else in the estate that night posed a threat to Foxford when the shot was fired. Foxford had no reason for a ' misjudgement in the heat' he simply murdered Kevin, he had the choice not to discharge his weapon . His murderous disregard for the life of a young boy was in no small part part due to the certain knowledge that those who sent him into Derrybeg would protect him. They did.
Foxford s colleagues were so full of remorse that they taunted residents of the estate about the murder even more despicably they taunted Kevins family. His father was found drowned in Newry Canal many months later at least in part a second Foxford victim.
The shame in this case lies only with Foxford and the racist murderers whio recuited armed and protected him.

by SFwatch Sun Jan 15, 2006 16:29

Did anyone see SF's economic document?

Corporation tax at just 17%

An All ireland body to give grants to business

Support for the Euro to be introduced in the UK

More business involvment in education.

hardly the programme of a revolutionary party?!

by rooster Sun Jan 15, 2006 23:21

when an amnesty for all other murderers is demanded by sinn feinn?? it seems the sauce for the goose is not good enough for the gander!!!

by statto Mon Jan 16, 2006 00:41

Read the comments and their context you tosser. I do not have the time nor the inclination to respond to your trolling . If you want to have a discussion on amnesty then start a thread on that issue.

by for whom the bell tolls Mon Jan 16, 2006 18:39 gfod3 at ozonline dot com

you miss the point completely.

by statto Tue Jan 17, 2006 00:51

I dont think so I am happy to accept in any conflict that opposing sides can put non combatants in the line of fire and that in the long run armed conflict may not bring about a just and lasting peace. I was merely pointing out in this instance the blame lay with one side only and that the disgraceful behaviour of Foxfords colleagues in Derrybeg went unreported by the media.
I am of course willing to have the 'point' explained to me if you can explain Foxfords actions.

by rooster Tue Jan 17, 2006 00:54

your calling for the prosecution of a member of the security forces and at the same time the amnesty for republican terrorists which I find bizarre!!

by E. Heatley Tue Jan 05, 2010 22:11

Referring to a comment up there, Kevin wasn't wearing his school uniform, it was after mid-night.
And Kevins father, Desmond Heatley was not found drowned, he committed suicide because he suffered from depression after kevins death..it first led to kevins mother and father seperating, father committing suicide and siblings of Kevin turning to alcohol and hence becoming alcoholics.

I'd love to meet Francis Foxford, he must of thought he was a real "man" shooting an innocent boy infront of all the soldiers. Francis and the other soldiers commonly went into Derrybeg estate for no reason, not even in their uniforms and blew whistles and made noise to get the residents out in the street..some man serving for his country, him who had "a few beers." Well maybe if he didn't have those few beers and acting the hard man i'd still have an uncle and a granda who i actually got to meet!!
and the fact that once found guilty, he was taken to a jail in England, then was given bail and then released because the evidence was not good enough?
I can honestly say I hate this man and hope that something terrible happens in his family..just so he knows how it feels.

He probably has forgotten about what he has done, forgotten the lives he has ruined and probably has no remorce, he deserves to suffer. I'm sure he's thrilled with himself for getting away with it, even though everything he said happened was proved to be wrong, like when he said that Kevin had a gun? Then Kevin must have been shot when other people returned a shot at Francis..even though at the time a man was recording a video of the happenings and only one shot was heard in the recording!

And I feel this strongly because Kevin would have been my uncle.