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Jump To Comment: 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1"In Favour" states that the gas is good for Ireland and good for Mayo. I don't know what you mean by "good" in light of two basic points below:
1-Mayo will not be getting any gas, from Corrib or anywhere else.
2-Irish consumers will pay the going commercial rate for gas, whether it comes from Corrib or Venezuela or Baku, so I don't know what you mean when you say that the gas is good for Ireland.
Come off it unknown...your type of post is most annoying as it merely just launches obsceneties and muck and has no basis in truth.
This is a good thing. In fact many of the supporters of the 5 men recognise that the gas is good for Ireland and good for mayo. they have genuine safety fears which I believe can and should be addressed. But it is unfair to just attempt to portray this in th way you have.
personally I believe the men shoud purge their contempt and work outside of prison to try and get the safety fears alleviated. this will be far more effective use of their time and their new found celebrity status!
the reality is that these men know that if the purge their contepmt shell will put a high pressure pieline in thier gardens-that goes under public roads - this has never been done before ever-that is bog-unstable land
they ar ejust protecting thier land and family ,their communitys-surely you guys are not fightin over how money is more important than lives-i think if we let this go we are just rollin ove r and lettin our government away with their shady deals -we must fight for our children and childrens children-what hapens if it is built and mayo is the new indusrtial county-detroyed forever for scum who want money
this wont happen we will stop shell.
I quote "when said protestor remonstrated with him and took his photo he.... "
that a nice tactic.....taking photographs to threaten and menace employees...just like the millitant animal rights shower
where is this? - I can't find it - are you a subtler form of a flying pig-human?
I'm a middle aged teacher (just about) as it happens.
From reading this debate about weather the state benifits from the corrib field or not, i would have to question its relevence to the rossport 5.
So Fianna fail governments bent over and let enterprise energy (now owned by Shell)/statoil and marathon ride them for a gas field. Last i heard was the this was a democracy and fif you don't like what the government does you don't vote for them. So guess what? Don't vote for them.
Last I heard was that the protests were about the safety of a pipeline. So less of the anticapitalist/anarchist/crusty bullshit. It does the rossport 5 no good whatsoever.
http://www.politics.ie/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7208
"Please give an estimate in monetary terms of how much the irish state will profit from the present deal through taxes on the consortium in the next 20 years?"
It is logical that such estimates are floating around. After all that is what you'd expect from servants of the state making a big deal like this with a corporation.
The truth is imho from information available it won't profit at all except through taxes on wages of workers (if it's lucky').
I'd also predict that dempsey would deny the existence of any estimates or guesstimates and blather on in a flying pig-human manner about various vague 'benefits which would accrue'.
FOI it Vincento- Go on ya good thing - might get info on such estimates before shell become the absolute de-facto legal authority in parts of mayo.
NB
I suggest you familiarise yourself with how broadly corporations define 'expenses' and how high they are prepared to jump to minimise taxes.
In my opinion it is far from clear that any profits whatsoever will accrue to the consortium in Ireland. The gas is specifically meant to be pumped and sold abroad. So who will measure profits o sale of gas.
I'm not a businessman but if I was one involved in the consortium in mayo I would be doing my level best to ensure the thing ran at a loss in Irish terms. Profit is the singular (and declared) logic of corporations.
Let me get this straight.
According to eeek, Shell's Corrib exploration will not bring one single euro of revenue to the state. Not one euro?
Who knew?
As one of the protestors I would say to teh question about my job
is none of your business, my life is my life. If I chose to make certain aspects of it public ie my political views you have the right to question but other wise go and read the sundy indep. if you are curiuos about teh irelevancy of personal lives. Do people ask you do you work when your posting during the day. no becuase its not relevant
"However, there's a chap with a special digger who'll give you 25% of the value of the gold he's prepared to unearth."
Shell etc in this case have made no such promise. They take 100% of the gold. Write off their tax against hole digging expenses.
Just how accurately their eventual profits will be measured is a murky murky issue.
What if the gas is sold in UK and profit is made there - how will irish state ever ever make any benefit from it?
Does anyone trust courrent or similar administrations to try to measure the amount of gas going out of ireland? They have obfuscated facts wrt how much is out there that it verges on treasonous. Are only 'insiders' allowed to have a clear picture of what is there and what might be there. That's what it seems like at present.
An eqitable arrangement is possible but the present one is one GIANT RIP-OFF.
Not even a Nigerian State type royalty. Not even a royalty of 5%. Anyone who portrays this as a good deal is BY DEFINITION a shell shiller.
I say onto you flying pig-human types - People are not stupid and treatimg them like they are is just liable to make them more angry and more informed.
Justin,
The crude remark was the expected response from eeeek to the digger fella.
All imaginary of course, much like his backyard ownership.
'it all depends, how many members of my family do I have to jail so that this man can dig up the gold?'
None.
However, if your family members are in contempt of court then it's off to the big house for them. That's the law.
That crude remark was made by your friends to the protestors - not the other way round
it all depends, how many members of my family do I have to jail so that this man can dig up the gold?
Gold in your back yard?
Let's pretend you have a house.
And let's pretend further it has a backyard.
There's gold in that there backyard too.
However, it's 100 metres down.
It would be uneconomical for you to dig it yourself. And there may not be much gold in there. However, there's a chap with a special digger who'll give you 25% of the value of the gold he's prepared to unearth. He'll also buy vittels from the local shop. He'll employ some of your neighbours too.
What do you do?
Let me guess - tell him to go f*uck himself?
who will explore for our natural resources if there are no incentives
exploration is very expensive business in case you dont know
please do not say there is no benefits, the local and national economy benefits directly and indirectly
you can keep 100% of it and write your expenses (huge) off against tax for ever (almost)
sounds like a sensible policy eh????????
really benefits me eh????????
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would have never been discovered in the first place if government hadnt the good sense to offer incentives to exploration companies to spend millions looking for them,
are you not being a touch naive to think shell would lash out the dosh looking for the stuff and then not reap the maximum they can from the discovery, come on get a grip
Why would anyone in their right mind be in favour of this countrys natural resources being given away for free to an outfit like Shell , while honest men are lying in jail for trying to protect their homes and families ? Why your hostility towards the men ?
My point stands , either you are bitter and twisted ( perhaps due to some crackpot ideology) OR youre getting paid ? Explain your motivation please curious .
Im very curious .
easy now, there is nothing wrong with questioning its relevance,
and do you automatically think that people that are in favour of the development are paid by or part of shell, cos that is certainly not the case for me
The fact that a protestor is related to one of the imprisoned men is relevant to the piece , especially if some gobshite surveyor is using foul languauge and raving on about how no-one cares that principled family men are in a dirty stinking prison because of foreign thieves .
Anyone closely related to the men would I imagine find this especially offensive . It does not make anyone a "higher being" although if I was related to any of them Id be proud of the fact .
I hope youre actually being paid to show such spite , otherwise youre a sad , bitter and twisted effort rather than a purely mercenary one . Either way it wouldnt be hard to be a higher being than yourself .
Shortly after this Kevin, a Roadbride/Shell engineer says to one local resident (and relative of a prisoner): “Why don’t you just fuck off and mind your own business, we don’t care about you, we don’t care what you want”
Whats the significance in the inclusion of the relative to prisoner bit, does one become some form of higher being above the rest of us mere mortals if one happens to be related to the rossport 5
Maybe they work shifts or have a few days off. Ever consider that imposter Barry?
You do realise that the majority of people in Ireland do not work a standard 9 to 5 monday to friday.
Not me , the ranting republican northern one . Get your own handle ye troll .
A very honest question,do the people involved in this protest not have to work?