Shell/Statoil in Mayo - list of the contractors who do the dirty work for them

by Terry - Shell to Sea Tue Jul 26, 2005 22:29 info at shelltosea dot com

The Contractors:

People also requested information about the construction companies involved in the development, they are Sicim, an Italian firm which is also building pipelines in Central Asia, and Roadbridge, which is from Limerick. Either there is a Sicim-Roadbridge consortium specifically for this development or Sicim has bought out Roadbridge I’m not sure which.

Roadbridge:
(see:http://www.roadbridge.ie/roadbridge/work.html )

Head Office:
Roadbridge Ltd.
Ballyclough,
Ballysheedy,
Co. Limerick.


Dublin Regional Office
Roadbridge Ltd.
M1 Tougher Business Park
Naas,
Co Kildare.


Galway Regional Office:
Roadbridge Ltd.
At Hanleys Yard,
Claregalway,
Co. Galway


Sicim:

Via Consolatico Superiore, 96/98
43011 Busseto - PARMA – ITALY

Sicim Ireland:Registered Office:Nathan House, Christchurch Square, Dublin 8.

Site Office:Lagore Little, Dunshaughlin
Co. Meath.

The Owners:

Statoil:

Statoil (Ireland) Ltd
Statoil House
6 George's Dock
IFSC
Dublin 1

There is a complete list of the Statoil filling stations in Ireland at www.statoil.ie

Shell:

Shell E&P Ireland Limited
Corrib House
52, Lower Leeson Street
Dublin 2

- this is the H.Q. for the Corrib Gas project.

by employee Wed Jul 27, 2005 01:57

what do you do for a living? we work for one of the contractors you've named.whats all that crap about? are you thinking of boycotting these places of work? if you and your associates just thought for one f....... minute you'd realise all the jobs your taking from us local people and dont start talking shit that theres not many locals employed around the gas be it directly involved in the construction or elsewhere. no wonder the locals are getting fed up with this crap, you dont see many erris residents out on your rallies, even though some have , theres still a large area in erris and by God not even a quater have bothered coming out. so cop on !

by mmm Wed Jul 27, 2005 02:21

they don't deserve in any way to be there. If the contractors said no work till they're out they most certainly would be out.

by . Wed Jul 27, 2005 02:24

I am an outraged Shell executive... I mean... I mean... local resident, and I think you should be quiet, I mean, think of all the millions of jobs you are taking from concerned local residents .

by I'm a dog on the internet tonight - woof woof! Wed Jul 27, 2005 02:24

Even a contractor's employee in Erris. Do you believe me? I don't. If the majority of people don't want boycotts then the boycotts will fail. Personally I think they're going to work.

by Fascinated Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:01

Very interesting, they are all over the paper this morning. Fishy dealings with the National Aquatic centre.
Pat Mulcair one of those to be founding pissing out of the tent in Galway this week. Surely even our lazy media could join the dots.

by Which side are you on ? Wed Jul 27, 2005 11:34

The post by employee flags up so much of what is wrong with the business / slave class and their allies...

"What do you do...?"

"Where are you from ?"

How many people support you ?

Well employee the gobeen, slave mentality of the past has been exposed as a fraud, when these men are released and when the Shell to Sea campaign wins...Mayo society will have changed for the good.

Who's side are you on..the exploiter or the people ?

by Terry Wed Jul 27, 2005 13:24

Yes I'll be boycotting Roadbridge, Sicim and Tideway and next time I'm building a pipeline through my front garden I'll get some other companies to do it....me think the Shell executive opps I mean employee above is not the brightest.

by The Gov'nor Wed Jul 27, 2005 15:15

You poor unfortunate fellow!. Where are YOU from ? and how did you arrive at this 'All the local jobs' crap !?.....I know Pat Mulcair..I've worked for him. I also know where 95% of the people he employes at Rossport ( and Galway/Limerick ) actually hail from; Galway, thats where!...I also happen to know how many people from the local area ( Erris ) had their names down for jobs with Mulcair (58) and I can tell you how many people got the telephone call to say they were IN..Two, thats how many..how do I know ? because one of those was my good self, but I refused. Why?.. I wouldnt take their thirty peices of silver...The smell was odious... Look at the list!.. Iggy Madden, GALWAY. Brendan Gilmore, Longford Ex Cop, nod nod wink wink, ( who swung that one for him? Albert Reynolds!!? )
Pat Mulcair, Limerick / Galway. A question for you, Mr LOCAL employee...Where are the local men who returned to this country from all over the world over the past ten years? why aren't they given the oppurtunity to participate in this so called inovative ( sucidal ) development? Were we not the men who 'built Britain' and most of the world? Were these men from all over Mayo and others like them, not part of the lifesblood of any economy that they contributed to?... Arent these the men who laid thousands of miles of pipeline all over this planet and placed billions of cubic metres of concrete from morning till dark night till their skins were burned to black !! These men are here in Erris, they are in our midst and throught the country....but they are being denied by the Judas's of this world.These men are looking at you and the likes of you... and they dont like what they see..you've probably never left the bog have you ?...but DADDY most likely went guarantor for you with the bank so you could purchase a muck away lorry or a couple of dump trailers and look semi important in the midst of this fiasco..( mushroom subbie )..If I sound bitter...your dead right, I am my friend...However, I shall purge my bitterness..but ,..what will you do? when this is all over and the voice of the people will have prevailed ( as it most surely will )...back to the dole and the sheep premium... bank re-posesses drump trailers..thats what !! One place you wont be seen for sure..is down in a deep hole thousands of miles from home( laying gas pipes ), scraping a few bob together in order to come home once a year to see your mother or father...No not you...youve got it all sussed....do us a favour 'LOCAL 'employee... and F... Off ! ..you oppertunistic parasite !

by Bio-Utd Wed Jul 27, 2005 15:41

there's a Shell Exploration & Production office in Bangor Erris.

Another in Dublin:
Irish Shell, Shell House, Beech Hill, Clonskeagh, Dublin 4

by John Wed Jul 27, 2005 17:37

So how come its ok for Mayo men to lay 'thousands of miles of pipeline all over this planet' but not ok to lay one in Mayo? If the locals in other countries had the same ill-informed and luddite attitude as the Mayo protestors, then these Mayo men would have spent their lives on the dole. Mayo men can't have it both ways. If they want to stay and work in Mayo rather than abroad, then they should support the same sort of heavy industrialisation in Mayo that other countries and other areas in Ireland have experienced. That involves accepting the minuscule risks that go with such industrialisation. Tourism and taxpayer-subsidised hill-farming are not sufficient to make an area such as Mayo prosperous. It requires heavy industry. Unfortunate, but a fact. The middle-class 'environmentalists' will try to stop such industries coming to Mayo. We had the same battle 35 years ago when Alcan were building their aluminum refinery near Limerick. The 'environmentalists' at the time predicted that that it would blow up and kill hundreds. Its still standing. 'Employee' is quite right to see through the hypocrisy of the so-called 'environmentalists'. They have no interest in seeing areas like Mayo develop economically. Their sole interest is in seeing that such areas remain as industry-free rural idylls for them to retreat to from their leafy Dublin suburbs at weekends.

by dunarunner2000? Wed Jul 27, 2005 18:05

That involves accepting the minuscule risks that go with such industrialisation.

Miniscule my eye, you know well that the locals would be happy enough with a standard pressure pipe and an offshore terminal... there's no such thing as miniscule risk from an unprecedented set up, explosive gas, onshore and higher pressure than used anywhere else... your trolling is pathetic.

We had the same battle 35 years ago when Alcan were building their aluminum refinery near Limerick.

And it's STILL poisoning the local animals and people! But thank God for the EPA and their cover up report... thank God for the Mid-Western Health board (at the time run by local politicians of course) which 'lost' the blood test results on sick families... three times!!

by Claire G. Wed Jul 27, 2005 20:03

Explain what economic benefits there will be to Mayo, John. Jobs? Err, no, none, actually. A return on the natural resources which the people of Ireland own? No.
The people of Mayo are the intelligent and knowledgeable ones. It's people like you who should get their facts straight if they wish to avoid the 'luddite' label.

by The Guv'nor Wed Jul 27, 2005 20:17

It seems to me John that it is in fact YOU who remains ill informed and indeed probably rather slow on the pickup. You miss the point entirely. I was one of the people who was most supportive of this venture in its infancy and campaigned strongly FOR it, and would have bent over backwards to have gained employment there... that is, until I discovered that the receptor was to be built in a village that has been populated for almost three thousand years by my countymen, some related.Notwithstanding, the safety implications, this land grabbing by faceless parasites with no other angenda than to turn over a quick buck is nothing short of scandalous. and YES, Mayo men have laid thousands of milesof pipeline...but not of this type...you fool..This one is unique..700 bar pressure...not 250 bar! do you know what would happen if this line actually ruptured? Do you know what you are talking about? Tell you what! ask the people of Mexico who had to endure that terrible experience only a few short weeks ago. Educate yourself my boy !
As for Limerick and the aluminium refinery: Is the same Limerick where only a few years ago hundreds of cattle and other animals were found dead in the fields,cause unknown, and still unknown.! Is this the Limerick that has had its fish stocks wiped out and the air polution over the county and into Tipp and Clare, on occasions resembles Hirishoma.. something which you would have visited on the people of Mayo with your 'heavy industry'. .Is this the Limerick where in many parts the water is unfit for human consumption...pure coincidence of course...Let me tell you some thing John..It wasn't the hill farmers of Mayo that inflicted this on Limerick and other parts of the country ( Dundalk. / Sellafield...35 Cancer victims every year ) nor indeed the farmers of Limerick either..You know who it was, so have the courage to say so. Otherwise dont waste your energy and our time!

by eeekkkkk Wed Jul 27, 2005 20:41

The sneering powerdrunk ff party line except on one occasion when a comment (since deleted) called for the public execution of mayo protesters. Maybe thats the ff line in private and he temporarily failed to remember to partition his ravings into private and public realms.

by Look Wed Jul 27, 2005 23:53

Pool lease blatantly breached, court told
Mary Carolan



The owners of the €62 million National Aquatic Centre have claimed before the High Court that, on the same day they assigned the lease to operate the centre to Dublin Waterworld Ltd in April 2003, that company breached the lease through assigning the operation of the centre to a trust set up in favour of well-known Limerick businessman Pat Mulcair.

It was only on Monday last that Campus Stadium Ireland Development Ltd (CSID) became aware of the trust and the involvement of Mr Mulcair, senior counsel Denis McDonald said at the opening of a hearing in which CSID is seeking possession of the premises for alleged "blatant" breaches of the lease.

Since the lease was assigned to Dublin Waterworld in April 2003, there had been "sustained", "consistent", "wilful", "egregious" and "irremediable" breaches of the lease, including failure to pay rent and rent insurance, failure to pay VAT, failure to present audited accounts within the time allotted under the lease, failure to set up a sinking fund for capital maintenance projects and failure to appoint an approved manager for various pools in the facility.

There was a "complete failure" by Dublin Waterworld to honour its financial obligations under the lease, counsel said.

Dublin Waterworld had also breached covenants that restrained it assigning the operation of the National Aquatic Centre to any other entity and restrained it holding the lease on trust for another party, he argued.

CSID had learned only on Monday last that, when it assigned the lease to Dublin Waterworld on April 30th, 2003, it had on that same day allowed and created a trust in favour of Mr Mulcair without the consent of CSID. Under that trust, Mr Mulcair purported to become the owner of the tenant's interest in the lease and was described as the operator of the business.

Mr Mulcair has an agreement with Dublin Waterworld Management Ltd (DWML), a subsidiary of Dublin Waterworld Ltd, under which it was allowed to operate the premises on Mr Mulcair's behalf, counsel added.

CSID had thought it was dealing with Dublin Waterworld as tenant, not the subsidiary firm or Mr Mulcair, he said.

The lease provided that CSID was to get 10 per cent of any profits made by Dublin Waterworld from the running of the centre. However, although 900,000 people were expected to visit the facility annually, the accounts of Dublin Waterworld showed it was not a trading company.

Mr McDonald said what had happened was that "an edifice" was put in place which seemed, on the face of it, to ensure that Dublin Waterworld would never itself make any profit or take any door receipts and would never be able to pay the 10 per cent share of the profits to CSID.

Had CSID seen the Dublin Waterworld accounts earlier than June last, those would have caused "alarm bells" to ring, counsel said. Although the accounts for the year to end December 2003 were signed off in October 2004, CSID was told during recent court proceedings they were not available.

He said John Moriarty, a director of Dublin Waterworld Ltd, had made a "manifestly false" statement on affidavit that the accounts were not ready.

Both sets of accounts clearly demonstrated Dublin Waterworld Ltd is not a trading company, counsel said.

Mr McDonald made the claims at the opening of an application by CSID for possession of the centre at Abbotstown, Co Dublin.

Dublin Waterworld is opposing applications for forfeiture and enforcement of a €10 million VAT award made against it on July 1st last.

The action continues today.

by heavy industrialisation Thu Jul 28, 2005 00:58

heavy industrialisation?

Mayo is a dump for the dirtiest industries possible - the attitude seems to be that Mayo is so poor and desperate they will take anything given to them since they are so greedy and desperate for jobs.

Despite the amazing scenery and being one of the cleanest parts of Ireland(not for long) this unique area is getting flushed down the toilet

it should be develppped as a tourist area and organic production region since it currently has perhaps the cleanest soil of Europe and is much more unspoilt and underdeveloped than other established tourist spots in Ireland

by John Thu Jul 28, 2005 15:34

The following report from today's Irish Times shows the real agenda of the so-called heritage lobby: "An Taisce is appealing a Kildare County Council decision to grant planning permission for a proposed €2 billion investment by the chipmaker Intel Ireland. The appeal, submitted to An Bord Pleanála by the environmental and heritage lobby group, will delay the project for months and could undermine Ireland's ability to win new investment." So, what excuse will they come up with this time for their opposition? That some of the Intel chips might blow up? No doubt the campaign will gather momentum and in a couple of weeks they'll be posting the names of local companies that supply Intel with calls to boycott them. Its time socialists disconnected themselves from the 'environmentalists' and heritage clowns. Most old-school socialists support industrialisation, economic development and a proper road network, things that are absolutely essential to maintaining full employment and preventing a recurrence of emigration in the future. I happen to believe that socialism is a crap ideology for achieving those goals, but I also believe most socialists want these goals to be achieved. The 'environmentalists' and heritage clowns are a different kettle of fish. They are opposed to industrialisation, economic development and modern roads. They are mostly Dublin-based middle-class toffs and academics who want rural Ireland to be an economic wilderness, whose people are forced to emigrate, leaving large tracts of the country depopulated. People who suport the interests of the working-class in rural Ireland should have nothing to do with them.

by John Thu Jul 28, 2005 15:50

Some of the posts are implying that the industrialisation that Ireland has gone through in the past 30 to 40 years is bad for the nation's health. Why don't you all check your facts? The thing that is worst for a country's health is poverty and under-development. People in industrialised countries live longer than in countries that have not industrialised. Its a fact. You will all no doubt talk about the clean air and pure food that Ireland had in the 1950s before industrialisation got under way. Well, it can't have been that good because in 1960 life expectancy in Ireland was 70 years. In 2005 its almost 80 years. Curently life expectancy in Ireland is increasing faster than in any EU country and faster than in any previous decade in Ireland since TB was being conquered in the 1950s. That's one of the fruits of the rapid economic growth the Celtic Tiger has brought. Some of the posts are ridiculous. To compare Limerick with Hiroshima is too ridiculous for words but shows the extent of the hysteria that has gripped 'environmentalists' in this country.

by eeekkkkk Thu Jul 28, 2005 16:24

John continues the development at expense of everything else fundamental to a healthy society ff moneygrabbing psychotic 50's poverty background overcompensation based reaction. It is carberreter(sic) dung.

"It is also objecting to Intel's plan to maintain spoil (building) material on the Intel site in Leixlip, which could impact on the valley flood plain. It is also objecting to the lack of plans to increase waste water treatment capacity, according to the appeal by An Taisce, which has been seen by The Irish Times."


An Taisce is trying to protect the water table in the area in question. Maybe we should forget about fresh native drinkable clean water and import it in oil tankers from some greedy exploitative company in France like Vivendi. Their greed and absolute contempt for their own country's natural resources (water/landscape) and public services makes me almost believe they would allow the tapwater to become undrinkable in general and advise the insiders in galway tent at present to buy shares in a water purification company or two.

by Tomas O Cosgair Thu Jul 28, 2005 17:50

Poor old John. You seem to be suffering from this terrible ailment that afflicts people like you in a similar quandry, i.e. when your not quite sure, quote from the Irish Times !. The fools in bogland will think I'm all knowledgeable and suave. You make me roll over in hysterics of laughter. You quote vauge and misleading titbits from the Times and other such organs, articles which are written by 'individuals', are commentry only, not scientific in analysis and more often than not will have a hidden agenda...i.e. used as a tool by the government of the day. Two things here John, which are indisputable fact... and no ammount of manipulation by you or any other can dispute these.
FACT 1. Life expectancy has increased worldwide ( not just Ireland ) because of significant advances in modern medicine and scientific research aided in no small measure through aid from the former 'Common Market' and NOT as a result of 'industrialisation'. as you state.
FACT 2. Ireland never has been, nor neither is it now, an 'industrialised country' In the fortys and fiftys, our main sources of generating national wealth were farming (exporting of cattle & grain) and tourism. Now it is tourism,construction (mainly, badly needed housing) and the I.T. sector. So, If the Ireland of those and these eras' was not and is not industrialised, how then did our general health improve??
A couple of mute points before I sign off...
Industrialised towns in the U.K. (where I've lived for some time) and Ireland show the following:
Dundalk: (see Sellafield) Infant & female cancer rates 10 times higher than the national average.
Cumbria: 18 times higher than the national U.K. average.
Limerick: 4 times higher.
Sheffield: Cancer and broncial related diseases, 13 times higher.
The Rhonda Valley legacy: (coalmines, now closed, Wales)25 times!!!!.
Get the picture yet John...Ive been there, I've seen it first hand. So when you ask us to quote 'the facts' ...well ! there they are...I challenge you to dispute them, by return to this medium! Oh, and one more thing. If your looking for something 'cool' to further your argument in future, do us all a favour and dont bother quoting from the 'Oirish Times'...its SO predictable...why not try the Beano instead.

by R. Isible Thu Jul 28, 2005 18:24

QUOTE: "The thing that is worst for a country's health is poverty and under-development. People in industrialised countries live longer than in countries that have not industrialised. Its a fact [...] To compare Limerick with Hiroshima is too ridiculous for words but shows the extent of the hysteria"

And likewise comparing Ireland to a Rwanda or Bangladesh is stupid and merely a manifestation of hysteria. The interesting and important comparisons are between ADVANCED industrial nations and Ireland. Strive for something better John and get your head out of the '50s.

The idea that any modern industrialised society would accept the "development" that you're proposing reveals a low-level of vision on your part. Poisoning the population to merely fatten the bellies of a few is the development paradigm of Mexico and Texas, not Denmark, Holland, Norway or Sweden.

by John Thu Jul 28, 2005 20:20

Your cancer figures are absurd. In Western societies about 3 to 4 per cent of the population have cancer at any one time. The vast majority are very old and thankfully nowadays only about a quarter will die from it. But, if your figures were correct, then in Cumbria (cancer rates 18 times the national average according to you) about two-thirds of the population would have cancer, and in Wales (cancer rates 25 times the national average according to you), everybody would have cancer. Why haven't you given sources for those figures? You can't because you made them up. According to the paper: Cancer Incidence in the Lancashire & South Cumbria Cancer Network 1996-2001, the mortality rate for cancer among females in Lancashire and South Cumbria was 0.1 per cent lower than the national average for England and for males 2.2 per cent higher than the national average for England - a far cry from your estimates. Your claims about mortality rates in Ireland are equally absurd. The CSO in Ireland does not publish mortality rates for individual towns but publishes them for individual counties. The latest CSO figures for the standardised mortality rates for the counties that are relevant to the points raised (Alcan and Sellafield) are: Clare 5 per cent lower than the Irish national average, Kerry equal to the Irish national average, Limerick County 4 per cent lower than the Irish national average, Louth 4 per cent higher than the Irish national average. Again, no relation at all to the wildly exaggerated figures you gave. You may find these figures on the CSO website. With regard to some of the countries listed as being superior to Ireland: (a) life expectancy in Ireland is now 1 year higher than in Denmark (b) in 2004 life expectancy in Ireland drew level with that in the Netherlands, having been 2 years lower in 1996 (c) the cancer mortality rate in Ireland is now 10 per cent lower than in Denmark (d) in 2002 the cancer mortality rate in Ireland went below that in the Netherlands for the first time. If you are going to cite other countries as examples of the type of government you crave, best if you check out their health statistics first. You may find these figures on the websites of the national statistics agencies of the respective countries. In the pre-industrialised Ireland of the late 1940s life expectancy in Ireland was 3 years lower than in the UK, 5 years lower than in the Netherlands, 6 years lower than in Sweden, 4 years lower than in Denmark and 5 years lower than in the USA. By 2004 we had overtaken the USA and Denmark, drawn level with the UK and the Netherlands and cut the gap with Sweden to 2 years. From initial figures for the first half of 2005 that gap will be cut to almost 1 year. Between 1996 and 2004 life expectancy increased more in Ireland than in any other EU-15 country. The number employed in manufacturing in Ireland is 235,000 - after adjustment for population size this is amost identical to the UK and the USA. Are you saying these are not industrialised countries? Only a small minority of these work in IT. Sorry to bombard you with facts. I know how much you hate them.

by Tomas O Cosgair Fri Jul 29, 2005 12:44

Your at it again John !. Distortion....I have at no stage mentioned 'mortality rates' for these regions. I have quoted you the figures for cancer sufferers, and sufferers of other diseases bearing testimony to heavy industrialisation in these areas. Furthermore, some statistics you are advancing cannot be found, as you state, on the CSO website, they come courtesy of the IMO and HSE in Ireland and via the HSA in the U.K. I have lived in the Rhondda valley in Wales. The population of which is 12,000. Out of that 12,000 people, 3200 of them are suffering from and being treaded for cancer and respiratory diseases. The population of the whole of the U.K. and N.I. is 60 million. 1.02 million are currently being treated for similar diseases. This is about 1.7% of the population. In the Rhondda, the ratio is 27%.
And right here John, especially for you ... a few more of the statistics we love to hate! Now this is scary..In 1997, Lukemia alone killed 48 people in this country ...In 2004, 76 people died of this same disease, that is an increase of 50%. Further, in 1997, 37 people were killed in this country by 'new cancers' (IMO quote)..in 2004 the figure killed had risen to 61, an increase of 60%.. All this in only seven short years.These figures you WILL find on the CSO website...so YOU tell me, what the hells going on here. Despite all the advances in the medical field and so forth...? It is clear, even to those with the most minute understanding of this sequence of events..that something is going drastically WRONG. Could it be the inviornment...could it be the microwaves we use to 'nuke' our food in this 100 kph lifestyle...Could it be the crap
put on our food in the first instance to preserve it... could it be because that something poisinous has mysteriously entered our food chain and will take
generations to remedy...'feed the masses with crap its cheap and we make a killing man' You need to wake up and smell the coffee!...Westernisation does not mean industrialisation...it means indiginous, sustainable, clean industry with a living wage for the populace who are by the way rather adept at making the best of what God gave them...they've been around a long time you know. !.a lot longer than the Shells of this world...and know what? Despite various governments collabration ( Burke..criminal...Lowry...criminal etc etc) with the capitalist scavangers of this world,in order to seize the remote parts of Europe for 'industrialisation'.... the indiginous people of Mayo and Kerry, Galway and Donegal, Cork and elsewhere, will be here... period..long after the Shells of this world are well and truly banished..trust me ..Watch this space!.

by John Fri Jul 29, 2005 14:21

The total number of deaths in Ireland in 1997 was 31581 for a population of 3.65 million. The total number of deaths in Ireland in 2004 was 28151 for a population of 4.05 million. That's a decline in the overall mortality rate of 20 per cent. The total number of deaths from all cancers in Ireland in 1997 was 7486 for a population of 3.65 million. The total number of deaths from all cancers in Ireland in 2004 was 7717 for a population of 4.05 million. That's a decline in the all-cancer mortality rate of 7 per cent. All figures from the CSO. The mortality rate for all causes has fallen by 4 per cent annually in Ireland each year since 1999. The number of deaths in Ireland in 2004 was the lowest since records began despite our soaring population. If you own shares in any coffin-making firms, I advise you to sell them since, if this trend continues, they will soon be worthless. As for Wales, the population of Rhondda Cynon Taff is 230,000. The ONS in the UK (equivalent of our CSO) does not publish cancer statistics for units as small as single towns. Its cancer atlas gives figures for the incidence of each type of cancer in health authority areas. These are the smallest units for which the ONS publishes detailed figures. I obviously can not give the figures for every one of the large number of cancers here. Much too long. But for lung cancer, the one most relevant to what you are talking about, the ONS cancer atlas shows the 3 South-East Wales health authority areas to have incidence rates bang in the middle of the range for the whole of the UK. The Hebridean Islands had incidence rates higher than in these 3 South-East Wales areas. Cheer up for god's sake. As a result of the information I'm giving you, the message will probably get through to your brain in a few hours that you are going to live a lot longer than you thought.

by brendan cafferty - unemployed Fri Aug 05, 2005 16:20 brendancafferty at hotmail dot com Beal an Atha, Maigheo 086 3136734

there are a lot of teachers involved here, they never had to take the boat to england. The plain people of Erris want this to go ahead, with safety. I resent Dr.Cowley who earns so much as a TD, and over E 300,000 form the GMS jumpiong on the bandwagon here. Let the men purge their contempt, get home, and let the work go on. The country and Erris needs the gas

by Plain person of Erris Fri Aug 05, 2005 16:37

No. I do not want this to go ahead.
Furthermore the Rossport five should not "purge their contempt" (as you call it). They have taken their position on a point of principle. This country would be better of if we had more people like them, rather than craven touch-the-forelock peasants like you.

by jo Fri Aug 05, 2005 18:51

the only reason the 5 are still in jail is because they know full sure that their campaign will be over as soon as they come out, the vast majoritiy of irish people i believe want to see the men released but also the development of our natural resources,

basically what you have here is a situation where most normal minded irish people have a genuine interest in the economic development and prosperity of this country, large multnationals happen to employ thousands of irish people, from what i can see most of the contributors to this website are anti multinational, anti economic development, anti everything, were any of them around in the 70's and 80's when people barely could afford a pot to piss in, i for one certainly do want a return to these days either for myself or future generations

by Spokesperson - The Vast Majority of Irish People Sun Aug 07, 2005 04:18

"the vast majoritiy of irish people i believe want to see the men released but also the development of our natural resources"

Yeah, and what you're calling for is not development ye eejit, it's a complete giveaway by Fianna Fail of our natural resources. Development would involve us profiting from it without putting people's live uncessarily at risk so that some fat-cat banker thousands of miles away can make an extra $50,000 on his Shell dividends.

Release the Five, Sack the government, Develop the resource.

by queenie Wed Aug 10, 2005 16:23

a few questions
- Does the picketing of locally owned petrol stations in Mayo effect Dutch Shell corporate policy? (ans: probably no)
-Is it more likely that picketing locally owned petrol stations in Mayo will just lose support for the protest? (ans: probably yes)
- Does the picketing of Enda Kenny's office effect government policy?
(ans: why on earth should it? they're probably having a great laugh)
- Will all the pickets in the world get round the fact that the Rossport 5 are in contempt of a High Court injunction and won't be released by the judge until that contempt is purged?
(ans: no)

Shell is an unpleasant company, Ray Burke shouldn't have given them the licence without a proper royalty deal and the government should make Shell build their terminal offshore IF the pipe is genuinely dangerous. (and I am not entirely convinced that it is as dangerous as the protesters make out). All your protests should be directed therefore at Shell corporate and Fianna Fail. Anything else is just ineffective, stupid and just pisses everyone else off.