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Blair likens Islamic extremism to Militant Tendency

category international | anti-war / imperialism | other press author Wednesday July 20, 2005 16:33author by Laughing Boy Report this post to the editors

(They are bad but certainly not that bad)

At last week's cabinet meeting, Mr Blair likened Islamic extremism to the Trotskyist Militant Tendency that infiltrated Labour in the 80s, and argued it was only when the party recognised the depth of the infiltration that a tough counter-strategy was implemented.

Blair plea to Muslim leaders at No 10 meeting

Patrick Wintour and John Carvel
Tuesday July 19, 2005

Guardian

Tony Blair will today ask British Muslim leaders to help clamp down on extremist Muslim teaching, as ministers prepare to regulate the quality of religious teaching in mosques and independent Muslim schools.
The prime minister will seek a more permanent dialogue at a meeting in Downing Street when he will challenge the Muslim community to recognise that they have to do more than simply condemn Muslim extremism.

At last week's cabinet meeting, Mr Blair likened Islamic extremism to the Trotskyist Militant Tendency that infiltrated Labour in the 80s, and argued it was only when the party recognised the depth of the infiltration that a tough counter-strategy was implemented. The prime minister is said to be aware that new ways will have to be found to communicate with younger Muslims, including some relatively wealthy and well-educated males who have become alienated from British culture.

Mr Blair has invited at least 50 Muslims, including four MPs, five peers, the Muslim Council of Britain, leading community workers, and business people.

Downing Street declined to publicise the guest list, but some MPs have urged No 10 to recognise that it has to invite some of the harder line groups such as the Muslim Association of Britain if the initiative is to reach out beyond the "usual suspects".

Privately, ministers are concerned that the Muslim Council of Britain (MCB) speaks mainly for an older generation and is not fully respected in Muslim communities. Alongside the Downing Street meeting, the work minister, Margaret Hodge, will say it is "unacceptable" that a quarter of the 150,000 Muslim graduates in Britain are out of work because of barriers in the labour market.

"Just 76% of Muslim graduates of working age are in jobs, compared with the overall graduate rate of 87%," she will tell a seminar supported by the government's ethnic minority employment task force.

The government is aware that any new communication drive will have to delve deep into communities. The MCB last year sent, with Home Office support, a pamphlet to 500,000 Muslim homes setting out their rights and responsibilities. It stated "terrorism has no religion and is indiscriminate in who it injures and kills. Averting a terrorist attack is an Islamic imperative".

Ministers now want leading Muslims to challenge those who argue that the west's foreign policy justifies suicide bombing or terrorist reprisals.

A Home Office consultation earlier this month suggested all imams and priests coming to Britain must have professional qualifications to show knowledge of, and engagement with, British civic life.

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author by iosafpublication date Wed Jul 20, 2005 17:23author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Was the suggestion of one those older generation out of touch kindly grand-daddy type muslim chaps at number 10. He asked "why no process of dialogue had been opened with insurgents". Sticky little question that. Its one of the sticky little questions that never go away.

Its all in the delivery. coughing to get that little "if" and "when" into the "why no process of dialogue had been opened with insurgents".

Meanwhile the UK has sought on several fronts to implement a 15+ state accord on "deportation" / "barring" non-british citizens who engage in certain types of religious sermon. as well as making sure all such religious leadesr are on an international database. The first agreement is with Jordan, ironically as Jordan is the host of an Iraqi regional interest conference bringing governments together to discuss why only 20% of promised bilateral aid, subsidies, and development loans have arrived.

At the EU level, the UK has just agreed with the other 24 states not to deport anyone who is at risk of death or torture in the other state so the "legality" of these deportations weigh proaction to the "barring orders" of not allowing such problematic people into the states in the first place. This though will lead to a concentration of such individuals elsewhere...

France has joined the groups who are proactively preparing to kick out

"the missionaries of terror".

critics and analysts (me) warn that it is the demand for such missionaries of terror which led to their supply, and the demand for an evangelical fundamentalist hell & brimstone market is generally well prepared by flyers, books, door to door people and a decent DVD collection.

Its all very 12th century.

author by Derek McMillanpublication date Mon Jul 25, 2005 18:45author email user1951 at yahoo dot comauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

The Militant tendency to which Blair referred was always opposed to terrorism and attracted a lot of criticism from the left (or ultra left) because of their attitude towards the IRA. Blair's dishonesty is legendary but his attempt to attack socialists for terrorism without any evidence is his own personal "shoot to kill" policy and innocent people will suffer.

http://www.socialistteachers.org.uk

author by Malvinaspublication date Mon Jul 25, 2005 19:02author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"The Militant tendency to which Blair referred was always opposed to terrorism and attracted a lot of criticism from the left (or ultra left) because of their attitude towards the IRA."

Had an interesting position on the Falklands as well Derek. I'm amazed Blair doesn't treat Her Majesty's Loyal Revolutionary Socialists with more RESPECT.

 
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