israel army holds 2 tds at gunpoint

by Ali Bamah Thu Jun 09, 2005 00:52

""We were then searched at the checkpoint."
"Twnety metres later, we were serched again at a second checkpoint just in front of the mosque in the old city of Hebron."

LOL!!! Been to an airport lately? Better safe then sorry.

by Friend of Palestine Thu Jun 09, 2005 16:03

Obviosuly you have never been to Palestine, an airport security check is far different than m-16 toting Israeli soldiers pointing the rifles at you.

In most cases parliamentary delegations are also offered hospitality etc at airports and elsewhere

you are missing the point here,

5 members of our democratic oireachtas were stopped and had loaded rifles cocked and aimed at them. The we harrassed and searched despite their status as visiting parliamentarians.

One has said that what he say was worse than apartheid south africa.

Stupid flippant remarks justy show your own ignorance of the reality

I can hear you already saying that these politicans dont represent you etc etc etc well they represent this democracy and its people and its scandalous that they were treated like this

but also remember that if they had been palestinians they would have been shot !!!!!

by Noel Thu Jun 09, 2005 16:14

It would be real news if Gormley and Gregory had come back without some story of moral outrage and indignation.

'but also remember that if they had been palestinians they would have been shot !!!!!'
Even five exclamation marks does not make this idiotic statement true. Says a lot about the friend of Palestine though.

by Friends of Palestine Thu Jun 09, 2005 16:19

Noel,

do you spend all your time on indymedia ready to counter and critiscism of Israel

You are a zionist rascist islamaphob idiot who is a complete "authority" ion a country and people where you have never been or never seen the reality

by Noel Thu Jun 09, 2005 16:53

Good point.
Well made.
Next.

by Yes Thu Jun 09, 2005 17:12

They pay people to counter any points raised against them in newspapers, websites etc. The more 'educated; Zionist the better, that is a fact

by rooster Thu Jun 09, 2005 17:28

if they were visiting with the knowledge of the Irish embassy would they not have held diplomatic immunity

by Pol Thu Jun 09, 2005 17:34

"'but also remember that if they had been palestinians they would have been shot !!!!!'
Even five exclamation marks does not make this idiotic statement true. Says a lot about the friend of Palestine though."
- Noel

Check these out:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/A4BD8038-8970-4542-9E9C-E4FD18C11051.htm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1498373,00.html
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0316-11.htm
http://207.44.245.159/article7363.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0505/S00252.htm
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0401/S00031.htm

Perhaps these make the 'idiotic statement' true.

by homer simpson Thu Jun 09, 2005 17:34

DDDuuuuuuuuuhhhhh!!!!!

by nerraw Thu Jun 09, 2005 19:14

So basically two soldiers point guns at two people as they approached the checkpoint? What did they expect? Where is the story? It is expected. and that is news how?

Same people here would in normal circumstances rubbish the evening herald.

by Spotter Thu Jun 09, 2005 20:15

All of you in the Israeli Embassy stink to the high heavens like hell, trying to defend the aberrant occupation of a people and showing the most outdated racist ideology. But your tactics have been exposed, just like your goal keeper's deceit was revealed by the TV cameras last Saturday at the Ireland-Bnei Zanot Israel World Cup Qualifier match: The usual Israeli tactics: Attack and then play act the victim.

by Noel Thu Jun 09, 2005 21:17

Pol,
Thanks for the idiotic links.
Let me see, the Guardian - balanced, fair, even-handed. Emmmm..
Some pinko blogs - ditto.
Al-Jazeera - you're killing me with this stuff.

Spotter,
'showing the most outdated racist ideology'

So what exactly is the current racist ideology then?
Let me guess. Misspelling swear words and referring to an entire nation as such. Cute.

by Spotter Thu Jun 09, 2005 23:26

Noel, I am simply a spotter.
You have many times before on this site claimed you have never been to Israel, yet you can identify a Hebrew swear word, even if it's mispelt. You can come back with all the idiotic claims and sarcastic comments you want, but we now certainly know who you are, and, wherever you come from, where you are certainly going. So how do you spell it then, Bnei Zonot.

by Devil Dog Fri Jun 10, 2005 00:36

"The usual Israeli tactics: Attack and then play act the victim."

Exactly - Just like 1948, 1967 (ooops, they got there first before Nasser!!!) and 1973.

What other aliases do you use here "spotter"?

by . Fri Jun 10, 2005 01:20

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by Devil Dog Fri Jun 10, 2005 01:40

The lights are actually off but I'm in Cambridge....

by Devil Dog Fri Jun 10, 2005 01:44

You're right, he must be Mossad - although I hear this new-fangled internet thing might be useful in cases such as this.....something about goggling...although I don't see how eywear could help but there you go.

by Well done Spotter! Fri Jun 10, 2005 13:24

To be in Cambridge you know a lot of what's going on in Northumberland Rd, don't you, Devil Dog/Noel? Very informed, you even know the address of the Israeli Embassy in Dublin. Whatch it, or you'll get fired.

by Hiba Fri Jun 10, 2005 14:15

My name is Hiba and I am 13 years old. I live in Santry.My dad is Palestinian, and he is a doctor. Sometimes we visit Palestine. I do not think it is nice that there is war there. I do not like it when Hamas do bombs. I also do not like it when Israel soldiers shoot Palestinian children. I know Hamas are bad, but I wish you would see that Israeli soldiers and Sharon are also bad. Many innocent people have been killed by the Israelis.Many children have been killed.

I wish you would not be so nasty when people say that it is bad to shoot children. You seem to ignore it when bad things happen to Palestinians. I will say a prayer that you will change your attitude, and become a nicer person.Children are children, Israeli or Palestinian.You should be nicer.

by jeff Fri Jun 10, 2005 14:49

You are a deliberate nasty piece of work. You deliberatly ignore accounts of murder of children by the IDF, and choose only to respond to points made by giving your own grabled rethorical take on things, I think you actually enjoy it when you read stories about murdered children.

It obvious why you post here, you don't actually care for any 'debate' as such. You just want to upset people by deliberatly ign oring these incidents. I mean, seriously, you are not very good at convincing anyone why IDF actions are legitimate and just. Remember, this is not about 1948 or 67. This is about children being murderd, villages and towns being denied water, and farmers having their land seized.

You disgust me. I wish the law of Karma was an actual real concept, I'd love to see your nasty,mouthy, one track mind gets what it should have coming to it.I'd love you to suffer. I want you to get severe depression. I want things to go seriously wrong in your life. Amen.

by Barry Fri Jun 10, 2005 15:07

i hope his life goes seriouly badly wrong . I do believe in some form of divine retribution whether it be Karma or hell or whatever it is . I dont believe hes Devil Dog because as objectional and reactionary as the dogs views are he has exhibited human traits and civility of an occasion .

Noel is a man with a mission - attemting to legitimise/minimise/deny and ridicule the deliberate murder of palestinian children in all circumstances . He does little else . His constant sneering and jibing at peoples outrage on this chills me . Its the total lack of compassion towards human suffering . He is a cold objectionable nasty piece of venomous work . I dont believe its a political ideology which truly motivates him to do this , its something more warped and distasteful in his character .Hes not a very nice man . I hope noone lets him look after their kids - ever .

by Nordie Fri Jun 10, 2005 15:10

But, Jeff, people like that are just simple terrorist supporters, they are not real terrorists. He's never even been in Israel, never mind occupied Palestine, so he's totally harmless. Just someone with the personality of a DUP MP and the morals of a SS guard, but the military record of Dick Cheney. A cancer without a body to poison is a very poor cancer indeed. I wonder is his second name Coward, like the great playwright Noel. It would seem to suit.

by jeff Fri Jun 10, 2005 15:10

"Pol,
Thanks for the idiotic links.
Let me see, the Guardian - balanced, fair, even-handed. Emmmm..
Some pinko blogs - ditto.
Al-Jazeera - you're killing me with this stuff."

Regarding al Jazeera, they were quoting from Yediot Arohnot, an Israeli daily. You need to learn respect, that story was about a child being killed for fun, and you glibly brush it away.

You have never been there, you just simply enjoy thinking that people will get upset when you laugh at dead kids. Well, thats what real human beings do, they get upset at two bit s*it stirrers like yourself laughing at dead kids.

You are no better than a paedophile.

"you're killing me with this stuff."
Please laugh harder.

by Noel Fri Jun 10, 2005 15:17

Hiba,

The death of any child is a tragedy. But I truly believe the IDF and indeed Ariel Sharon regret the deaths of children as much as you and I do. The only way forward for Palestinians is peace which leads to an independent Palestine alongside Israel.

It's not my intention to be nasty, I'll try to be nicer. Thanks for the prayers.
I hope you and your family live a long and prosperous life in Ireland.

by Barry Fri Jun 10, 2005 15:22

Sharon and his IDF scumbags probably do regret the murders of Palestinian kids every bit as much as Noel .

by jeff Fri Jun 10, 2005 15:24

Just read your posts there. You are right about Devil Dog, he steps back when there is kids involved, he has some semblance of respect. Noel on the other hand...

I'd love it if he got a fat lip. Damn, I'm upset. Paedophiles and child abuser f8ck me right off so they do.

You can't pigeon hole me. I'm no hard leftist, Im strictly a parlimentarian centrist but one who believes in a radical overhaul regarding personal liberties ( i.e; drug use.)Last week, I was in the reactionaries corner reagarding the post office shootings. For me, thats just common sense. Thugs with guns need to be taken out.

When it comes to kids, though, I think the average decent human being drops political banners, rolls up their sleeves and encourages mob justice.Because I get upset at child murder does not make me a socialist, an anarchisat, a pinko, an anti semite or a fascist. It makes me one angry son of a bitch, who transforms into a creature capable of enjoying both giving and receiving(if I must) pain.

The whole Israel Palestine things has it moments, but kids being murdered is kids being murdered. IDF personel that do that are the same breed of shoe dirt as those skangers at that post office, and snivelling little Noel is worse.Snivelling Noel is the worst.

by jeff Fri Jun 10, 2005 15:26

Noel is practicing doorstep politics.

by Hiba Fri Jun 10, 2005 19:05

I am going to say another prayer because I think you are telling a lie. My cousins have told me many terrible things Israelis have done and I have seen the damage they do. Also, Israeli soldiers have been very mean to my dad and my mum, and one of them even spat at me one day in Ramallah.They say bad things and rude words. They are stupid and horrible.

If you lived there you would not be telling such lies.Why do you believe such silly things?

by zimo19 - consistent life ethic Fri Jun 10, 2005 19:06 achorusline19 at hotmail dot com

All this talk,pinko this,palestine that,i hate it when i hear people say''12 israelis were killed in a bombing 2day,or 5 israelis shot dead at 12 years of age,regardless of age,religious persuasion or socio economic ststus,first of all their humans!!!lets not forget about the millions of unborn humans each year denied the life thats theirs,or all the animals slaughtered for your barbaric meat consumption which contributes to 3rd world hunger,ask yourself,if you eating meat was contributing to people starving in europe would you continue to gorge yourself on beef and chops??no,but it only contributes to starvation in africa which is far away so its ok????ask yourself,is their an element of racism to your lazy minds??i mean youre already speciests(well not if ur a veggie obviously)peace and love and drugs and hugs brothers and sisters.Respect all life end all voilence!!xx

by avi H. Fri Jun 10, 2005 21:19

Don't worry about these guys' depraved reactions to your perfectly reasonable opinions. The people on this site are mostly idiots.

Some of us out there know the truth and are not baying for Jewish blood.

by Nordie Fri Jun 10, 2005 21:23

Some of us out there know the truth and are not baying for Jewish blood. *

* Offer excludes anti-Semite Semites and other assorted self-hating pinko commie Rag-head lovers who oppose anti-Arab racism and child murder.

by Noel Fri Jun 10, 2005 23:26

Avi,
I agree, the Judenhass is so pungent on here sometimes I can't face my blood matzos!
Barry gets a hard-on for the baby killers of the IRA and Hezbollah and then gets all indignant when the guiltless IDF are defended.
Meanwhile, Jeff goes on a Bruce Banner bender at the mention of Jews. Imagine if he got his hands on a suicide belt in one of his rages?

Shalom my friend.

by Barry Fri Jun 10, 2005 23:57

Well some IRA chicks are quite fetching I admit .

by Workers Unite Sat Jun 11, 2005 03:56

Why is it that when anyone legitimately critisizes the state of Israel they are anti-Jew?

So if anyone critisizes the U.S. are they anti- American,? If anyone critisizes Britian are they Anti-British, if they critisize Italy are they anti Itallian?

Why is it that a state that gets away with so many human rights abuses can"t be critisized?

The truth is now being exposed about the real intentions of the state of Israel, that is what all zionists fear, because their land grad and occupation can no longer be justified, by their racist zionist philosophy.

The statement that includes the term Judenhass reveals quite a bit. First of all if one critisizes the state of Israel they are jew-haters, which must mean that Israel is a Jewish state, which means that it is meant just for Jews, which is defined by some quasi-racial/religious doctrine. Not very democratic by any means.

For more info about Zionism go to the following website.

by Nordie Sat Jun 11, 2005 11:07

I personally find practitioners of such craft hilarious. This seems to be the logic of them:

Anti-racist is racist except when it is pro-racist, then it is anti-racist.

The murdered were not murdered except when they were murdered, and even if they actually weren't murdered, as in battle, then they were murdered.

Dead children are not dead children except when they are our children as all other children are not children.

Terrorism is not terrorism except when it is terrorism and our terrorism is anti-terrorism and our terrorists do not commit terrorist acts.

It's like something out of Monty Python, only darker. I wrote something about this baffling phenomena one time after hearing about a wedding party being blew up which resulted in an appalling loss of life. My first reaction was 'Bastards. The terrorists have done it again', but then I heard that because that particular act of terrorism was committed by anti-terrorist terrorists then it wasn't really an act of terrorism but a terrorist act of anti-terrorism committed by terrorists against people who weren't terrorists. Are you keeping up here? Don't worry if your not because neither am I.



NON-TERRORISTS COMMIT NON-MURDER IN FALLUJAH (AGAIN)

by Nordie

Foreign non-terrorists last night claimed responsibility for launching a missile strike at a wedding party in the Iraqi occupied town of Fallujah, which is located in the country of Iraq, in order to liberate it for themselves. Dr. Ahmed Saeed said his hospital in Fallujah received 13 dead, including the groom, and 17 wounded, including the bride. He said most of the injured were female relatives of the groom who were staying at the bombed building after the wedding celebration. The dead also included a father and his six sons.

The non-terrorist organisation, known as the US Army, called a press conference to celebrate the non-murders (a spokesman joked ‘Hey, somebody may as well celebrate something about this wedding!’) and acknowledged they bombed the wedding party but said that the dead and injured couldn’t have been innocent civilians as their bombings are ‘surgical strikes’ which kill only ‘bad guys’* and so by definition those who are killed by a US Army bomb automatically lose any civilian status they may previously have held. The spokesman, who was wearing a badge inscribed with the legend ‘They only hate us for our freedoms’, then, without a hint of irony, stated to journalists that the purpose of these ‘surgical' strikes by the US Army against Iraqis is to battle ‘foreign fighters in the country’. When the non-terrorist was asked whether it would be considered terrorism if Al’Qaeda fired missiles into weddings in America he replied ‘Of course it would because attacking civilians in America is terrorism, however when America attacks civilians in another country it's non-terrorism because America doesn't do terrorism as you need to be a terrorist to do terrorism, a position you obtain by attacking civilians and as America doesn't attack civilians then any civilians that she kills ain't civilians anymore. ....wha?...emm...look just shut up before I liberate you too’. He did however concede that no matter what he called them they were all fucking dead anyway, before leaving the press conference early, reportedly in preparation for another bout of non-murdering which is expected to take place anytime now.

The non-murdering, non-terrorist commander-in-chief of the US Army has already told the world that Jesus makes him do it. You know, for peace and that.



* Trademark - Fox News corp.

by Ali H. Mon Jun 13, 2005 13:21

Interesting isn't it how people creep out of the woodwork to defend the criminal behaviour of Israel.

We've even seen "counter" demonstrations against legitimate demonstrations against the Israeli anschluss of the occupied West Bank.

The strange thing is that these people appear primarily when Israel is attacked politically and they are conspicuously absent in combatting the activities of the extreme right.

One could infer from this behaviour that Zionism regards the extreme right as their allies in the putting down of all criticism of Israel.

by amazed Mon Jun 13, 2005 16:03

Check out a recent article

http://www.jewishtelegraph.co.uk/nat_2.html


its amazing the reporting of the protest.

Aparently, the protestes on Sat 4th June actually went and tried to start fighting with the peaceful israeli supporters, the cops were there to defend anti-semitic behavious and the justic dept issued a statement about the protest

pure fantasy pure lies, but what can you expect from Zionists

by Ali H. Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:14

The benefits of relying on multiple sources, not just one with a visible agenda, are very obvious from looking at your post.

The effort of the "author" of the piece to paint all Irish people, the gardai and vast bulk of protestors as acquiescing to anti-semitism, if not overtly conducting anti-semitic attacks on one of the main streets of the capital would be hilarious if this were not such a serious issue.

You might want to ask the Brisco's (a leading Jewish familiy in Irish politics for decades) and leaders of the Jewish community in Ireland about the "rampant" level of anti-semitism in today's Ireland before publishing such tripe in future.

There is nothing unique to Israel about such protests and for your information the Irish do not take kindly to colonial occupation and oppression , having been on the receiving end of it for hundreds of years, and this is not the first time such protests have occured.

I didn't hear any such accusations of racism leveled against those tens of thousands of Irish protestors who gave the other more famous apartheid regieme of the south africans a much harder time in the 80's.

by Watcher Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:34

Yes indeed, the extreme fringe of Zionism as exemplified by Jabotinsky (of Iron Wall fame) & co. have always been close bosom-buddies of the fascists.

Jabotinsky spent a lot of time cozying up to Mussolini and Hitler ....

http://www.marxists.de/middleast/brenner/ch10.htm

by jeff Tue Jun 14, 2005 16:54

I quite like Jabotinsky, he was, to quote Malcolm X, ' a Southern Wolf,'as oppossed to ' a northern fox.' You see, if the likes of Noel was honest about the Mid East as Jobotinsky, I could respect him. Jabotinsky pulled no punches, Noel dresses it all up with lies like ' IDF really do care when the accidently killl children, even if its accidental sharp shooting, and it is done by deomcratic young chaps who accidently giggled when the realised what they done.The fact that they high fived each other was because it's an old Jewish tradition of, er, praying.If you don't like it, it means you are a Nazi Jew hater.(Wags finger)You need to mature, grow up and respect democracy and the West.(Lights pipe, and decides to work harder on his Benjamin Franklin accent).'

The only reason Israel talks about Gaza withdrawls and West Bank withdrawls is because of those pesky UN resolutions they have to delay and stall.Logically, the borders created by post 67 are much more feasible to maintain. The problem is the burgeoning population that is the Palestinians.

You see, tragic as it is, I still have more respect for lunatics like Kach who say Gas them, transfer them, kill them. People who dress it all up and pretend to be worthy democrats are a cancerous sort of human unworthy of life. We need more militant racist Zionists on this forum, as well as Islamist fundamentalists.

That will get the 'debate' really going. Creeps like Noel won't need to pretend to be nice to Palestinian kids. Likewise, we won't have moderates trying to convince the forum that Hamas are going to be gentle and kind to the Jews in a united, deomcratic Palestine, when they regularly stone Palestinian women just for not wearing hijab.

Nope, we need red hot blooded roaring racists on both sides. Noel can fuck off and get a job at some Institute for Honourable Lies. Jews and Muslims will agree with me, lying is a sin. So no more lies, bring on the hate. This will help kill off energy vampires like Noel, who is a nonce.( Well, he called me a Jew hating potential suicide bomber, so it is open season as far as I'm concerned.)

I only hope Chekov allows this poiint to be made, he's awfully pernickity with points I make. In a past life in Russia, he had me shot in a gulag, in his capacity as a NKVD officert just because I was funnier than him. He got a medal, and later retired to his dacha, where he died in 1972 of heatstroke. He was born again circa 1980, to breath new life in to the revolution.

by Nordie Tue Jun 14, 2005 20:39

I quite like Noel's outrageous lies. He entertains me. It's like a interview I seen on telly one night many moons ago with the late Billy Wright who claimed 'I don't hate Catholics'...

I suppose he'll be telling us next that Hitler accidentally gassed all those people. Or is he not affiliated to those particular Nazis? I can't seem to tell the 'difference' anymore as those racist murder gangs all look and sound the same to me.

by jeff Tue Jun 14, 2005 21:38

Some people you just don't agree with nonetheless make you laugh. Jim Goad ( author Redneck Manifesto) comes to mind.

Noel on the other hand wishes for people to take his sorry ass seriously. I would, if I had him down some backwoods somewhere ties to the back of a pickup truck.(Just been listening to Trucker music, yee haww)

by Nordie Tue Jun 14, 2005 21:52

Ah, but that is what is entertaining. You have to laugh.

by Nordie Tue Jun 14, 2005 22:24

The 57th Anniversary of the State of the Zionists
By William James Martin
Jun 4, 2005, 12:49

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The state of Israel, as the hypostatization of Zionism, is a primary source of suffering, oppression and injustice , and at this moment, is the most significant source of injustice and consequent turmoil in the northern hemisphere. This is true because Zionism and the human rights of the indigenous people of Palestine are incompatible and contradictory. It is also true because American uncritical support for the aggressive and expansionist policies of Israel is the primary source of anti-American hatred in the Arab world, and much of the rest of the world, and is the central cause of the resulting terrorism directed against American interests. American support for the continued subjugation by Israel of the Palestinian people was focal in motivating the attack of the Pentagon and World Trade Center in 2001.

Indeed, Osama bin Laden stated, in a message to the American people in October of 2004, “As I watched the destroyed towers in Lebanon, it occurred to me punish the unjust the same way [and] to destroy the towers in America so it could taste some of what we are tasting and to stop killing our children and women.”

Bush has told us that they attacked us because they “envy our freedom”. That is the shallow, self serving interpretation of a shallow mind.

Mr bin Laden was referring to the Israeli 1982 invasion of Lebanon which resulted in the deaths of 20,000 Lebanese and Palestinians and also included the massacre of approximately 2000 Palestinians at the refugee camps of Sabre and Chitilla in southern Beirut for which Israel and much of the rest of the world held Ariel Sharon responsible, though he was only punished nominally.

The turmoil we are now witnessing in Iraq, in the wake of the US invasion and overthrow of the Saddam Hussein government, is Israeli centered as it is the manifestation of the American government’s program of eliminating Israel’s enemies and making the region safe for Israel. This policy is driven by the pro-Israeli neo-cons within the administration and has taken place in an atmosphere of inherited prejudice induced by the constant demonization of Israel’s enemies promulgated by Zionists supporters.

Since the formation of Israel 57 years ago, Israel has killed 50,000 Palestinians, according to estimates by Israeli historian Ilan Pappe. Occupying no more than 6% of the land area of Palestine at the beginning of 1948, Israel captured 80% of it by the year’s end in a wave of ethnic cleansing that saw the expulsion of 800,000 of the indigenous Arab’s. Israel now exercises control the entirety of Palestine as it also controls the population living within the territory captured in the “67 War who are obliged to face daily humiliation and degradation as Israel confiscates their property and subjects them multiple checkpoints that prevent or severely restrict their travel and commerce. Forty seven percent of the residents of the occupied territories are now living on less than $2 per day owing to Israel’s destruction of businesses, transportation routes, and agricultural capacity.

Israel has destroyed 12,000 Palestinian homes and over one million olive and citrus trees since its capture of the West Bank, Gaza, and East Jerusalem in 1967. With the recent killing of two Palestinian boys who were protesting the construction of the Apartheid wall in the village of Beit Loqya west of Ramallah in the West Bank, Israel, since October of 2000, has killed 3,847 Palestinians. That comes to 71.24 Palestinians killed by Israel per month over the five year period, or 2.38 killed per day, a fact you never hear about on CNN or on the rest of the American media. The fact is that Israel can kill Palestinians with total impunity, and does so.

The government of Israel looks the other way when fanatical Jewish settlers especially in the Hebron area, harass and abuse the Palestinian farmers and villagers. These settlers, many of whom regularly celebrate the anniversaries of the assassination of Yitzhak Rabin and the massacre by Beruch Goldstein of 29 praying Moslem worshipers at the Hebron Mosque in 1994, regularly set fire to the villager’s crops and fields, and spread rat poison on their fields poisoning their sheep and goats. They put dead animals in the wells and water conduits used by the Palestinians to deprive them of clean of water. Carrying automatic weapons, they regularly assault and intimidate farmers to try to keep them from working their fields, They throw rocks through their windows of homes of villagers and terrorize the families. This is all consistent with the program of Sharon and his Likud government. They are fulfilling the formulation enunciated earlier by Moshe Dyan – “We have no solution for the Palestinians. They can live like dogs or they can leave.”

Israel is actively taking over Palestinian property in East Jerusalem, increasingly making it more difficult for Palestinians to travel into and out of Jerusalem, as it expands East Jerusalem’s boundaries to connect with the Jewish settlement of Ma’ale Adumim which it is also expanding. This will create a corridor for Israel across the West Bank to the Dead Sea and effectively cut the West Bank in half making a contiguous Palestinian state impossible. In fact because of 150 strategically placed Jewish settlements and a Jewish settlement population of 450,000 and 300 miles of for-Jews-only-highways which cut up the West Bank into disjoint subsections, A Palestinian state, in anything other than name only, is already an impossibility.

Zionism, which has existed since that 1880’s, consists of two central tenets. First, that a Jewish state is to be established which excludes other religions and ethnicities, specifically Christians and Moslems, at least to every extent possible. And Secondly, that the indigenous Arab and Christian population of Palestine must be deprived of its land, homes and property, as well as extirpated, in order to clear the way for a Jewish state. That process of ethnic cleansing is ongoing with the inexorable expansion of Israel into the West Bank and the takeover of East Jerusalem.

Zionism is a primary source of evil in today’s world as it runs counter to all international norm of human rights and principles of human decency.

Though Israel may well expand and incorporate all or almost all of the West Bank, and I see nothing to stop it, certainly not the Bush administration, Israel’s day are numbered, for the world will not forever tolerate a racist and racially exclusionary state that is founded on terrorism and ethnic cleansing and the source of so much brutality and cruelty exacted on the indigenous Palestinian population.

William James Martin
Department of Mathematics
University of Florida, Gainesville

© Copyright 2005 by AxisofLogic.com

by jeff Tue Jun 14, 2005 22:25

He said I was an anti semite, when there was nowhere I ever said that! Thats libelous. I have more clout calling him a paedophile than he has calling me a Jew hater.Think about it-dead Palestinian kids-his response?Mocking trhe dead. Thus, this is a sign of laten sadism. Sadism is psycho-sexual.Dead Kids + Psycho-Sexual-Sadism= Necrophiliac Paedophile.

It is true. Yet, for some reason, he did not get censored for libelling me.Someone else did get censored for stating the truth-.ie Noel is a peadophile.

There.Hope I don't get censored.I also hope Noel gets a terminal illness.Of the face.That, and also wishing he'd get the cr3p knocked out of him by an anti Zionist rabbi. Yes.Jews against Zionism.They exist.Just like White people against racism exist.Zionism in the sense of settlers and soldiers shooting kids because they can.The original term regarding zionism was different, it was in fact a plethora ofd ideas amongst one main aim.

Anyway, if Noel was in front of me I'd give him a fat lip for calling me a Jew hater. In the meantime, I'mn gonna print Noel's comments and burn them in a ritual so he gets his sorry ass hexed.

by rooster Wed Jun 15, 2005 22:14

so two people are stopped at a checkpoint and their ID is checked, they are then checked for weapons, hold the front page!

by cock and bull Thu Jun 16, 2005 08:22

Might seem normal to a Dungannonite like you rooster. But down in the Free State we are not so used to heavily militarised check points as up in the occupied territory.

It's all in the eye of the beholder ..... but in principle you're right, they should have been carted off to the nearest police station / barracks and given a good going over. That would have softened their Fenian cough.

by Duine Thu Jun 16, 2005 14:58

Is stát míleata Iosrael!

Nár thuig ár bhfeisirí é seo?

by Nordie Thu Jun 16, 2005 17:33

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1055

by rooster Fri Jun 17, 2005 01:05

Might seem normal to a Dungannonite like you rooster. But down in the Free State we are not so used to heavily militarised check points
-yes, but down in the free state you were to some degree insulated from the troubles and so never did have to put up with the inconveniences we did.


they should have been carted off to the nearest police station / barracks and given a good going over.
-you are such a bigot!!!!

by barry Fri Jun 17, 2005 01:51

they were elected representatives on a fact finding missdion . why would they be carrying weapons.

by rooster Fri Jun 17, 2005 02:05

its not like they were detained for any vast length of time, and if they were looking for facts, military check points are part of the region so that would have provided some of the facts they themselves were looking for.

by Barry Fri Jun 17, 2005 02:09

mossad doesnt exist and these international visitors slipped across the border in secret . youve won, argument over .

by rooster Fri Jun 17, 2005 04:03

but what it has to do with this discussion is unclear, please explain?

by Nordie Fri Jun 17, 2005 14:08

Rooster: I can't believe you're a real loyalist as the only loyalist who can read and write is David Ervine. You can't really be this stupid, you're obviously a clever parody of a loyalist operated by some republican somewhere.

by rooster Sun Jun 19, 2005 14:25

David Ervine? is that the same David Ervine who polled about 0.5%in the last election?

Mossad???
You must be crazy, are you saying that this checkpoint was an official mossad checkpoint??? Oh yeah, cos thats how they operate!!!
Is it not possible that this was just a couple of teenage israeli conscripts doing their national service?

by Nordie Mon Jun 20, 2005 00:22

One and the same. Most loyalists seem to be unable to take to him because he has mastered the art of walking on two legs and refuses to converse in growls and grunts. His low vote among loyalists is actually an indication of his good standing among civilised men. He could have won a higher vote if he was a drooling imbecile, but fortunately for us all he’s not.

by rooster Tue Jun 21, 2005 01:56

so thats how democracy works? the person who gets the least votes is the most educated and cultured!

by Nordie Tue Jun 21, 2005 14:18

...but not quite. Only when it comes to unionist candidates.

by rooster Wed Jun 22, 2005 02:07

David Irvine is a loyalist and not a unionist, do you need me to explain the difference?

by Devil Dog Wed Jun 22, 2005 10:52

Nordie probably doesn't believe there is a difference, he thinks all Prot...sorry, all Unionists are slavering imbeciles, given his eloquent description above....but he's not sectarian, no siree Bob, just the same way he doesn't hate Jews, only those pesky Zionists.

by pig-ignorant Wed Jun 22, 2005 11:57

Please do explain to the ignorant what the difference is ?

Presumably a "unionist" is one who wishes to maintain the political union between Northern Ireland and Great Britain as established by the Act of Union (1801 or thereabouts with subsequent amendments due to secession of the southern part of the island).

A "loyalist" is presumably one who pledges loyalty to the House of Windsor (or whoever happens to have their arse on the Throne of England assuming that they have complied with the Act of Succession).

It is clear that one could - at least hypothetically - be a "unionist" without acknowledging "loyalty" to the crown. Theoretically a "unionist" could be a "republican" (the mind boggles) in the sense of advocating a republican (i.e. non-monarchist) form of government for GB & NI while still advocating maintenance of the political union.

But isn't every "loyalist" (in the above defined sense) de facto a "unionist". How could one be "loyal" (in the Ulster Protestant sense) without also endorsing the "union" ?

As an outsider to these squabbles I am completely confused.

If you are referring to political party membership (UUP, DUP etc.) then shouldn't you capitalise it to avoid confusion: "Unionist" (in a party political sense).

But I forgot, you neaderthals don't like clarity of terminology, you prefer squabbling over obscure details that the rest of the world cannot understand stubbornly resisting any effort to cast light into the darkness.

by C sna C Wed Jun 22, 2005 12:52

...With the only difference that whereas a "loyalist" supported indiscriminate murder of Catholics, a "unionist" relied on the official British armed forces to do their filthy work for them.

2 strands of the one supremacist "ideology" - both unfit for human consumption.

by Nordie Wed Jun 22, 2005 17:24

Devil Dog, grown ups are talking here.

by Nordie Wed Jun 22, 2005 17:25

A unionist is a loyalist with a job.

by poo Wed Jun 22, 2005 17:38

devil dog is a wanker

by Devil Dog Wed Jun 22, 2005 19:13

You're obviously Ireland's answer to WC Fields or Groucho Marx with a quip like that...I wonder if any ethnic group on this island apart from NI Protestants was described in the terms you used, what would be the reaction?

Of course you're not sectarian, you and C na C just can't stand Unionists...if only they came to their senses and all became present day versions of the United Irishmen, eh?

Poo: You're even more hilarious than Nordie, superb debating technique, where did you learn it, the Oxford Union?

by Nordie Wed Jun 22, 2005 20:08

Devil Dog, I don’t think I’m discriminating against any so-called ethnic group by describing murderous morons like our resident fan of the Dublin/Monaghan bombings and your best friend, Rooster, as drooling imbeciles, as his loyalist ilk as are nothing more than cancerous fucks that belong in hell along with you and your theft-loving child-killing cheer leading hordes for savagery. And I can't really be thought of as racist for calling the Zionist racist murderers pig-people as I consider you to be a drooling troglodyte pig-person and you, shamefully, are of the same nationality as I. I mean, sorry, I'm wrong, I could be described as a bigot for not liking bigots but I don't care, it makes me laugh and makes me feel superior to the amoeba brained creatures like you and Noel and the various other pig-like sick jokes that infect our beautiful world and like to engage in such hilarious pass times as a way of deflecting attention from the fact that they are cretinous, blood thirsty murderous little racist twats. I’m sorry if hating cretinous blood thirsty murderous little racist twats is wrong in your eyes but that’s because you are a cretinous, blood thirsty murderous little racist twat. I have wrote something in your honour:




You Are A Stupid No-Necked Pig-Brain Who Fancies His Sister

As I read your comments with scornful regard,
I contemplate your brain cell deficient hoggish skull,
A grotesque perversion of nature,
And I am astounded that you even remember to breath.
I see you, ooze flooding from your drooping vocal orifice,
Snorting snout stuck fathoms deep in the great universal trough,
And as you squirt your diseased seed over the maiden white page,
A million red-neck wet dreams fill your stunted non-mind.
Oh grunting pig-thing, oh victim of immense stupidity,
I charge that you must surely be the dumbest mofo to ever scurry forth on four stumps,
A ridiculous primeval pantomime, an unevolved horror from the swamp of existence.

I shudder now as I ask myself the horrible question:
Was this lesser of barnyard animals, this deranged sister desirer,
Was this disgusting brute excreted alive,
Flung into the toilet from some monstrous behind?

by Devil Dog Wed Jun 22, 2005 20:28

I see you're branching out from comedy and making a foray into some kind of stream of consciouness piece - a worthy successor to Joyce.

Is this your own work or are you drawing inspiration from some illegal substances?

Please keep it up, your constant references to "Pig People" (You're a big "Butcher Boy" fan, no doubt) are as hilarious as the Troll's broken record of "murderous theft".

by Nordie Wed Jun 22, 2005 20:35

No matter how hard I try I'll never come quite as close to the marvellous stuff produced daily by the child murdering tumours of the Bush administration for consumption by the unthinking gullible slobbering morons of the planet like you and your cancerous kind.

by pig-ignorant Wed Jun 22, 2005 23:53

And I was hoping that rooster would explain to me what HE perceives to be the difference between a loyalist and a unionist ....
I wanted to get it straight from the horse's mouth.