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anti-gay article in UCC Express
The last edition of UCC's student newspaper published a full page anti-gay rant, in its latest attempt to whip up Islamopohbia and homophobia
As a gay student I feel very badly let down by the Students Union at UCC.
If racist material had been widely distribted on campus, let alone an article in an SU funded paper whose sole purpose was to attack black people, there would at the very least have been an immediate statement of condemnation by the Student's Union.
I challenge the SU leadership to deny it. The SU 's only official response so far has been to defend the publication of the homophobic material, and to intervene to prevent the LGB radio show from condemning it. With friends like these, who needs enemies?
The writer of the original Muslim article says he was approached by the editor, pushed for his views on homosexuality, then misrepresented. The LGB's response was not printed in full, and crucially the part of their statement expressing respect for Islam was omitted, A full page hate rant against gay people was then printed in the ediition of the UCCExpress which was to be on campus during rainbow week, and the LGBT was then told there must be no criticism of the paper in its response
I'm going to write to Indymedia and to the national USI
LGBT students should not be subjected to homophobic hate material on campus
Paul McAndrew- paul@queer.ie
Here is the text of an opinion piece that was published in the UCC SU's UCC Express newspaper this week.
Quote:
It's great to be straight
Homosexuality is not innate, but a lifestyle choice, writes Marwan Boustany.
The UCC lgb society's recent criticism of the Muslim cultural society can be interpreted as propaganda: why is their opinion enlightened and the Muslims' backward? The truth must be spoken no matter who is displeased by it; the truth is not a democratic decision. For this reason I for one welcome the debate/discussion on Islam and homosexuality.
The Muslim position on homosexual is indeed clear: the actions and society of homosexuals is a depraved and abominable one. The Qur'anic indication that it should be avoided clearly indicates that it is seen as something choice based, namely one chooses to act homosexually, or again, one is not forced to act homosexually by any biological factors.
In the Qur'an, we are also shown how homosexuals revel in their perversion and mock those who would seek to advise them against what they are doing. In a Muslim society there is no place for homosexuals.
In response to the implication of the LGB society that the Muslim position is unenlightened, I hope to now briefly indicate why it is the LGB that is in fact backward, logically and scientifically.
Psychiatrist Jeffrery Satinover, M.D. notes "like all complex behavioural and mental states, homosexuality is ... neither exclusively biological nor exclusively psychological, but results from an as-yet-difficult-to-quantitate mixture of genetic factors, intrauterine influences... postnatal environment (such as parent, sibling and cultural behavior), and a complex series of repeatedly reinforced choices occurring at critical phases of development."
There is clear and irrefutable evidence to the fact that homosexuality is not innate and immutable; there have been two major published registry studies, one based on the Minnesota Registry, the other based on the Australian registry. The larger of the two registry studies is the Australian one, done by Bailey, Martin an others at the University of Queensland. Using the 14,000+ Australian twin collection, they have found that if one twin was homosexual, 38% of the time, his brother was too. For lesbianism, the concordance was 30%. This study is important, because twins share idential DNA, hence if their homosexuality was geneticall forced or determined by genes we would expect closer to 100% concordance between the twins. This is enough for us to say that not only is homosexuality not genetically forced, it will in fact never be found to be as such. They can choose to be/do otherwise, it's possible.
Homosexuals have continuously promoted the view that would say they are genetically forced to be who they are and hence do what they do; this is so that they could claim to be as innocent victims of genetic chance, as opposed to willing partakers in the homosexual lifestyle.
Why should homosexuality be discouraged? Why is it illogical?
Homosexuality leads to a host of medical and psychological problems for homosexuals and society at large. Consider that studies show that the rate of homosexual attraction is six-20 times higher among paedophiles. And consider that the homosexual community are proven to be at increased risk with regard to substance abuse, psychological and medical problems , promiscuity and even decreased average lifespan. Did you ever think that homosexuality is even illogical when it comes to the design of our bodies? It just makes no sense at all.
Who is more logical and 'enlightened' on this issue? Homosexuals or Muslims? Let the evidence speak, not PC propaganda. Homosexuals want rights, Muslim's want what's right.
Did you know that the '1 in 10 figure' for homosexuality (which was promoted in UCC in the last few years) is blatantly false? The figure is about 4 times smaller, and that's when you include 'bisexuals'. Why promote this and other falsehoods?
The reason is simple, we have witnessed in the past a concerted effort to normalise homosexuality through the power of positive (and often false) imagery in media (and on campus, recall the blood campaign and '1 in 10' posters). They ahve also stifled opn debate and discussion by labelling all dissent as homophobia, a word that has become a propaganda tool. They have also made a concerted effort to label dissenters as backward, religious bigots - enough labels, more truth!
Are Muslims against everything the homosexual lifestyle stands for? Yes. Are we going to change because homosexuals don't like it? No. Are homosexuals going to chagne because we disagree with them? No. We can agree to disagree, but at least let's be clear and open about where we stand and why.
As a Muslim living in Ireland I agree that indeed we must live together, but let us make truth the basis of our interaction, not stifling political correctness. Otherwise, we all lose.
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Jump To Comment: 23 22 21 20 19 18 17 16 15 14 13 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1Hmmm, once I saw the NARTH link I KNEW you were into junk science. so now I cannot give your words much credibility, and you are correct in saying you're not a homophobe, you are a HOMOHATER! At least if you had an irrational fear one might excuse that, but hate is a choice as is religion, so you choose Islam and hate- no surprise there as I look at what's going on in the Muslim world today all over some ancient, sordid family squabble!
As for al quran being correct, that is your OPINION and you are entitled to hold that opinion, ( however wrong and misguided) but you are not, I say NOT entitled to bring your primitive sharia and make it the law of the land!
And as for a debate, who would get into a debate with a devil?! You are incapable of debate because you use junk science and your religion to justify your position , and have no open mind to debate anyone.
Always difficult to wish peace on a hater , but that's what I am bound to do, so I wish you peace and maybe hope for some light to penetrate that foggy mind!
If you go to Boustanys website you'll find some interesting links on how the Zionists (read Jews) rule the world. Also Holocaust denial and revisionist sites.
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Refutation of Zionism
Click here to see some of the Zionists who run america and its media
Click here to see Zionist power in british media
Click here to read some evil that is found in the Jewish Talmud
Click here to to read the online book, The founding myths of israeli politics!!!
For all the latest on global Zionist domination
Institute for historical review
Looking at history without Zionist goggles
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http://www.islamic-awareness.org/guestbook.htm
He also opposes the teaching of evolution.
This deals with the young marriage and shows the unreliability of the reports that pat c has put up...
http://www.understanding-islam.com/related/text.asp?typ...d=375
You say you want "proof" and not old wives tales, yet you dismiss established academic and clinical work in favour of some trite self-promoting internet bullshit peddlers or fifteen hundred year old childrens fairy tales. I reckon you have absolutely no intention of accepting any "proof" of anything that does not conform to your rigid, backwards, homophobic, mysoginistic interpretation of society.
You're an intellectual chameleon. Whatever argument you are thrown you respond with the same bullshit answers and reference any nonsense that refutes your opponent's argument. There's no point arguing with someone whose entire logical construct consists exclusively of bad faith.
Why did you or your ancestors venture out into the modern world if your ambition is to subvert or annihilate it? You should have stayed where you were if you are incapable of functioning productively, respectfully and peacefully in your adoptive host nation's culture.
"we read that the prophet (s) married Aisha (ra) at the age of 6 years and that the marriage was consummated when she was 9 years old. Could you please sketch the background/context to this event?
Dr Faadiel Essop
answer Lastly, my own personal opinion is that A'isha's marriage (consummation at the age of 9 to 11) indicates that if health condition and body vigour permit, there will be no "legal bar" (religiously speaking) on age, but it will certainly not be binding as well to go for young age marriages. Afterall, the Prophet (Sall Allah-o-alaihe wa sallam) never ordered or suggested that his followers should marry young maidens.
M. Haq "
http://www.jamaat.org/qa/ayeshara.html
this is an islamic website which confirms that the "prophet" took a child bride. it also accepts its ok for an old man to rape a child of 9-11. the issue is dealt with in great depth at the site above.
theres also some more sickening stuff at another islamic website (below) about muhammed first being attracted to ayesha when she was 6 yearsold and playing with her toys.
http://www.islamicperspectives.com/Ayesha.htm
"Ayesha, daughter of Abu Bakr, was nine2 years old when she became the third wife of the Prophet Muhammad*, in 621 CE. Right wing readings3 will have you believe that this fact highlights Mohammed's* paedopheliac nature, however it is far more likely that their marriage was not consummated until after she began menstruating. The marriage is said to have taken place in Makkah, but upon their marriage, she entered his house in Medina. "
http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1314428
the site above claims that its more likely mohammed didnt "consummate" the marriage until ayesha began menstruating. how very compassionate of him.
dont even bother to think of the innumerable concubine slaves kept by muhammed and who he raped whenever he wished. no one ever bothered to record their ages. (if you think this was not rape then explain how slaves can give valid consent)
A clinical psychological phenomena may explain to some extent Islam's obsession with condemning homosexuality.
A psychological defense mechanism by which an objectionable impulse is expressed in an opposite or contrasting behavior.
It is said most homo-phobics are in fact repressed homosexuals - that gay-bashing is merely reaction-formation behaviour. So could it be that Marwan others of his faith are in fact repressed homosexuals? They struggle to keep their love for their own sex in cheque, but this triggers profound behavioural and psychological distress. The hatred they express towards openly homosexual individuals provides them with an emotional camouflage which they can use to hide their true sexual desires.
Anyway, it's just a thought...
marwan, you need to step back and look at your comments. Its true that many established religions do not think homosexuality is a good thing. For one, many religions encourage devote followers to leave all their desires behind and of course that includes lust. Man and woman was created a certain way to procreate and keep the human race going. Indulging in other desires other than to fulfill this role is going against how the body was created and thus going against the 'Creator' of the body. But of course we all have a free will and can do what ever we like, Gods only encourage people to be good and warn them of the consequences.
Having said that I would wonder about marwan. His comments seem full of anger and interolance and violence. Marwan perhaps you are feeling threatened by the anti-muslim centiment that is around these days and are afraid and are hitting back. But over all your comments seem to me to mirror the anger, interance and violence that occured after the cartoons dipicting your prophet where published. I know nothing about Islam but I hope for the millions that follow that it leads them some where good.
"Besides, how would you react to the same statement from paedophile organisations? They also feel that they have equal rights and should be recognised as equal? In your world of "i don't believe in facts" and of absolute amorality, you would have no grounds to tell them they are not your equals."
You are on very dodgy ground here. Your own "prophet" was a pedophile, he had a nine year old wife. Do you condemn your "prophet" or do you condone child abuse? The choice is yours.
"" your attitudes are also likely to lead to an increase in gay bashing."
not my problem. If i don't advocate it, I cant be blamed for it."
If you set fire to a building and people are hurt or injured then you cannot disclaim responsibility. You are lighting a fire with your hate speech.
"It seems the homosexuals are the only ones making threats (indirectly)... let me make this clear, if anyone tries it on with me, its a hospital bed in the ICU they will wake up in."
AND
"btw.. any more threats from you and i will bring this up with the guards"
You threaten to put someone in intensive care and then you say that you will go to the gardai about threats! You rerally are a scream. As much logic in that as there is in any of the rest of your rantings.
my, my. you threatened me in your previous mail and now you are threatening to run to the guards!
marwan, i diodnt threaten you, i pointed out that your type of behaviour stirs up nasty people and you yourself might well reap what you sow.
keep[up what you are doing, spreading info based on the opinions of homophobic medics etc and you mught well find that your "facts" will bring you in conflict with the law.
you are an irrational homophobe and misogynist., why do you fear women so much? i think you are the one who sees them as competition.
your fear of gays makes me think you are protesting too much. maybe its time you came out of the closet.
You say: -
"i was not threatening you. i am simply stating that your type of language simply helps the racists to portray an image of all muslims wanting to take over irish society. "
If you think that this kind of 'simply stating' is OK, then why is it when i do something like 'simply stating' the dangers of homosexual life and the falsehood propagated by homosexual groups, WITHOUT CALLING FOR THEM TO BE BEATEN OR KILLED OR THE LIKE, you and everyone like you freaks out?
I am interested in promoting the truth on any issue I can, I simply cannot stand PC lies or just shutting up in the face of dangerous deceptions. I only wanted and want to have open, fair, logical and evidential discussions. If homosexuals have a problem with this, it is very telling indeed of the house of cards that they build their case for acceptance on.
"it is ironic but the same sort of racist thugs that you might stir up are very likely homophobic as well. but that meeting of minds wouldn't matter if they decide to bash you."
What the truth inspires people to do is not my concern, and I see it as no reason to refrain from stating the truth. So this argument is empty.
"secondly your attitudes towards women ... are totally unacceptable."
elaborate...
" if you apread such ideas in the work place or college then you are clearly in brach of equality legislation."
Stating the truth is not and should not be in breach of any legislation. Besides, how would you react to the same statement from paedophile organisations? They also feel that they have equal rights and should be recognised as equal? In your world of "i don't believe in facts" and of absolute amorality, you would have no grounds to tell them they are not your equals.
" your attitudes are also likely to lead to an increase in gay bashing."
not my problem. If i don't advocate it, I cant be blamed for it.
"as i wrote above i was not threatening you. but if you were to take up anti-gay propaganda in a way that encouraged attacks on gays then you would swiftly find out that its not just allah that smites down the unrighteous."
hmmnnn... It seems the homosexuals are the only ones making threats (indirectly)... let me make this clear, if anyone tries it on with me, its a hospital bed in the ICU they will wake up in.
This is crazy, you guys give out to me for potentially inciting hate crimes (when i have not gone out and called for them), then you go and threaten hate crimes (indirectly)... typical double standards...
btw.. any more threats from you and i will bring this up with the guards. Your ip address is logged here, and I'm sure some snooping would soon find you out.
peace.
"If you are threatening me, so be it. But be careful who you mess with, you may well wish you never tried it on."
i was not threatening you. i am simply stating that your type of language simply helps the racists to portray an image of all muslims wanting to take over irish society. it is ironic but the same sort of racist thugs that you might stir up are very likely homophobic as well. but that meeting of minds wouldnt matter if they decide to bash you.
these are people who i would be likely to come into conflict with as i am an anti-fascist and anti-racist.
secondly your attitudes towards women and gays are totally unacceptable. if you apread such ideas in the work place or college then you are clearly in brach of equality legislation. your attitudes are also likely to lead to an increase in gay bashing.
as i wrote above i was not threatening you. but if you were to take up anti-gay propaganda in a way that encouraged attacks on gays then you would swiftly find out that its not just allah that smites down the unrighteous.
In response to the previous poster...
"you are a hpomophobe whether you got your homophobia from your religion or not i dont know. "
I do not fear homosexuals and my disagreement with them is evidential and not irrational.
"likew the bible the koran is a deeply homophobic and misogynistic book. "
Liars no doubt find the Qur'an's stance on lying equally irritating. The Qur'an is a deeply accurate and truthful book.
"anyone who bases their beliefs on the lieral truth of the bible or koran will certainly ho;ld to homophobic and misogynist attitudes."
Anyone who holds to beliefs in the normality of homosexuality is promoting pure falsehood.
"many sincere and devout christians and musloims are not anti-gay and believe that women are entitled to full equality so iot may be that marwan is just a bigot."
I fully respect women, more so than the people who promote that they should dress half naked and act like immoral "i don't do this for the money" whores. I respect women enough not to require of them to expose their bodies or act immodestly. No doubt you just see women as competition.
"but some of the things he comes out with are certainly likely to incite hatred and posdsibly even attacks on gays. if you stir up such forces from the vasty deep then you never know what might happen. marwan and people like him are dupes who are being used by white racists. he will likely not realise the monsters he has stirred up until he is himself bashed by racists."
If you are threatening me, so be it. But be careful who you mess with, you may well wish you never tried it on.
"as ye sow,
so shall ye reap."
because you are wrong
do not weep
you are a hpomophobe whether you got your homophobia from your religion or not i dont know. likew the bible the koran is a deeply homophobic and misogynistic book. anyone who bases their belioefs on the lieral truth of the bible or koran will certainly ho;ld to homophobic and misogynist attitudes.
many sincere and devout christians and musloims are not anti-gay and believe that women are entitled to full equality so iot may be that marwan is just a bigot.
but some of the things he comes out with are certainly likely to incite hatred and posdsibly even attacks on gays. if you stir up such forces from the vasty deep then you never know what might happen. marwan and people like him are dupes who are being used by white racists. he will likely not realise the monsters he has stirred up until he is himself bashed by racists.
as ye sow,
so shall ye reap.
re: fuinseog
you cite one book lol!! Thats fairly sad...
no doubt written by homosexual propagandists...
seeing as the book is there to defend your lifestyle, how about you quote evidence from it and refenced articles? I'll be happy to discuss...
I can cite many articles and books... and can logically discuss them, can you? I would say not.
I challange you to debate and bring some evidence YOURSELF and argue it, when that happens....
I'll be happy to spend time refuting you...
peace
Marwan
Hi, I am the real marwan boustany.
I wonder why in all this I was not directly challanged and talked to, instead of the media campaign (which homosexual organisations excel in) and backbiting that has followed?
As to the pretender who titled his comment with my name, I AM with the times, and the proclamations of the Qur'an are right on the money when it comes to homosexuals.
Your claims that mental health issues and stds etc are the same for homosexuals as for heterosexuals are way off base, and have no evidence except for your opinion and that of the ignorant masses, thanks to the false propaganda of the homosexual community.
BTW, I did not argue my science based upon the Qur'an (which is correct anyway) but from evidence, so get YOUR facts straight.
When you guys are ready for a real debate based upon evidence ill be happy to debate, Im still in college and no doubt infamous, until then, stop trying to bury the truth under a pile of lies.
Peace
Those who condemn out of hand Islamic or indeed Christian stricutures on homosexualisty are missing the point.
Homosexuality is recognised as innate in that it is obviously something that certain people are predisposed to. However, like other human instincts and desires, it is something that is, or ought to be, subject to the choice of each individual as to whether they choose to follow those instincts.
If am am gnetically predisposed to alcoholism (and there is ample scientific evidence to prove that heridity does play a large part) it is still up to me whether I choose to drink, or to drink to excesss.
Likewise with ones sexual desires. They are, and indeed must be, subject to each individuals choice. Otherwise, everyone would do as they wished.
If an adult is sexually attracted to 13 year olds, that cannot be helped. But he/she still has a choice as to whether they act upon those instincts. One can argue that the same applies to homosexuals. I am not saying that I agree with that but that is what underlies most moral objections to it. Not that it isn't "natural" but that it is subject to choice.
The age old debate about what people can say, should say, and are prevented from saying is not going to be ever settled. I think the author of this piece was entitled to write his opinion. He is entitled to state his beliefs and lay out his support for this argument, both from the Qu'ran and from scientific studies.
Don't attack him for writing it. Argue all you like about the science, or refute what you can. He has allowed you your opinion and stated he will not try to change you. Allow him the same courtesy.
I do not find this to be an attack on homosexuals. There will always be people writing articles and opinion pieces that annoy/upset others. If they were all as carefully worded and willing to accept argument as this we would be lucky.
The article is a mangled mix of attacks on the enemy and pseudo-science. Don't try to silence it; argue with it - it's easy to defeat in argument.
Look at this
"There is clear and irrefutable evidence to the fact that homosexuality is not innate and immutable; there have been two major published registry studies, one based on the Minnesota Registry, the other based on the Australian registry. The larger of the two registry studies is the Australian one, done by Bailey, Martin an others at the University of Queensland. Using the 14,000+ Australian twin collection, they have found that if one twin was homosexual, 38% of the time, his brother was too. For lesbianism, the concordance was 30%. This study is important, because twins share idential DNA, hence if their homosexuality was geneticall forced or determined by genes we would expect closer to 100% concordance between the twins. This is enough for us to say that not only is homosexuality not genetically forced, it will in fact never be found to be as such. They can choose to be/do otherwise, it's possible.
"Homosexuals have continuously promoted the view that would say they are genetically forced to be who they are and hence do what they do; this is so that they could claim to be as innocent victims of genetic chance, as opposed to willing partakers in the homosexual lifestyle. "
Clear evidence of a significant and substantial genetic element to homosexual/heterosexual orientation is used to show that homosexual/heterosexual orientation is not "genetically forced"!
Marwan should spend some more time in the library before he comes up with this kind of thing. The science is very clear and the one thing is shows is that homosexuality is a widespread natural and innate part of sexuality - human and non-human. Have a look at these book reviews on amazon.com
I particularly like the picture of two male giraffes necking on the back page.
UCC SU should require that biased argument such as the "innocent victims of genetic change" thing above is edited from their newspaper if they're really interested in debate.
"its latest attempt to whip up Islamopohbia and homophobia"
I believe the article was within the limits of free speech. Nonetheless the intolerant views contained within are out of step with a liberal multi-cultural society. This is a debate which hasn't really been tackled yet though.
To describe the views as an "attempt to whip up Islamopohbia AND homophobia", just shows how the pervasive moral relevatism has hamstrung attempts to tackle intolerance within other cultures.
The Student Union President supresident@ucc.ie
SU Welfare Officer
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Publications / Communications Officer
" my role is the college newspaper-the Xpress. According to the Constitution the role of the Officer in the paper is as 'general manager of the paper'."
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"the actions and society of homosexuals is a depraved and abominable one"
"homosexuals revel in their perversion"
"Homosexuality leads to a host of medical and psychological problems for homosexuals and society at large.
Consider that studies show that the rate of homosexual attraction is six-20 times higher among paedophiles"
LEADS TO?!!??
"Definition
homophobia [Show phonetics]
noun [U]
a fear or dislike of homosexuals
homophobic [Show phonetics]
adjective
a homophobic attitude"
(from Cambridge Advanced Learner's Dictionary)
http://dictionary.cambridge.org/cald
While I respect Mr. Boustany's right to free speech, I find it completely biased by Koranic teaching, and cultural prejusdice. It is far from credible, and when the first straight man that HONESTLY (HONESTY being the operative word here!) can tell me he woke up one day, weighed the options, and said to himself, "hmm, I think I'll be heterosexul today", then and only then would I give any creedence to this sort of nonsense spouted by Mr. Barsany. Sexual orientation isn't a lifestyle choice, it just is what it is. Some people are heterosexual, some people are bisexual, and some people are homosexual.
As for me, I can personally tesitify to same-gender attraction from age 3 (those are my earliest memories) . Mr. Barsany, other Muslims, misled Christians, or homophobic atheists are entitled to believe as they wish (HOWEVER ignorant!), but they are not allowed to a) infringe on my or any other's civil rights, human rights, or religious rights. Nor are they allowed to foment hate.
THe only medical problems assocciated with homosexuality (active) are posssibles STDs, but then those affect heterosexuals just as often if unsafe sexual practices are engaged in. As to psychological problems, the only ones there are are the low self-esteem fostered, and created by people like Mr. Boustany, who seek to perpetuate their hate and ignorance on society. If gays and lesbians were accepted as any other sexual orientation, there would be no problems at all. Please Mr. Boustany, get a grip, believe as you will, but please stop seeking the eradication of homosexuality! Do what you will, there will always be more to take our places. Why? Because intrinsic homosexuality is part of nature, despite what ancient books (whose authors had no access to modern science) vilify what they do not understand. It's 2005 Mr. Boustany, time to get up to date!
That isn't a rant. It looks like an opinion piece written by a Muslim called Marwan. He's entitled to free speech and I don't see how it either contributes to racism or homophobia (by the way, that word means fear of the same). It's not like he came out with "they're all bastards", "kill them all now", stuff. The correct response for you is to get a reply published by the same paper. However, shouting about racism and homophobia is just going to lose you the argument before you start...