Cia involvement in 9/11

by Mr. T. Wed Jun 21, 2006 03:37

but I'll take crazy over stupid as a brick any day.

Everything I've read and seen confirms for me that 4 planes crashed as a result of 19 Islamofascist terrorists hijacking them and attempting at least to fly the planes into important American buildings.

The nonsense submitted by various egits on this forum suggesting all sorts of conspiracy theories omits addressing two very simple facts:

1/Al Qaeda and its supporters have taken responsibility for the atrocity. This is well documented. Why would they take responsibility for a CIA plot?

2/There is absolutely no reason for the Neocons to have perpetrated such a conspiracy. What the fuck benefit did the Evildoers (ie., Bush & co) derive from the acts of 11 Sept? World-wide support to invade Afghanistan? Say, now that's a great idea - perpetrate a clever and very risky plot to bomb several important american buildings, killing thousands, just to invade a dust bowl without the slightest valuable resources aside from opium, which has all the strategic and military value of the Aran Islands. Sure, now it all makes sense to me. The US certainly didn't need the terrorist attack as a pretext to invade Iraq - they would have done it with or without 11 Sept. If you think otherwise you're an idiot.

I personally know 2 people who died in the islamist attacks on the US on 11 Sept. I know another 5 who survived but were caught up in it and all of them have trouble dealing with the aftereffects. It's not enough that the survivors have to live every day of their lives haunted by the memory of that atrocity, but now they have to listen to deranged fantasies of halfwits vying for the spotlight of the popular and underground media .

You've had your fucking 15 minutes. Now crawl back under your rocks, vermin.

by numenorean Wed Jun 21, 2006 00:12

Arabs did it did they. hahahahahaha

Well how come 7 of the supposed 19 terrorists are still alive.

Shouldnt they all be dead. This was reported by BBC and CNN visit their sites for more details.

You are just another blinded sheep.

If you truly value the news why are you on this site.

I submit that you are here to perpetuate the myth that is 911

You are a neocon one world order supporter an as such a traitor to the entire human race.

I hope you suffer in the fires of hell for those who condon a lie are as guilty as those who commit the lie.

I urge anyone interested in finding out the truth about 911 and the neocon agenda for 1 world government to visit any of the sites listed in the posts above .

A good place to start is Infowars.com or prisionplanet.com.

There is also an Irish site 911truth.ie .

Anyone who believes that arab people caused this is in my opinion insane.

I see he does not mention the group of Isrealies who where seen celebrating the attacks on top of a building on the morning of nine eleven. They where seen by multiple witnesses giving each other high 5s and where reported to the police as many people believed that they where in fact the terrorists at the time.

Just like the Mass Media the author of the above post has nothing of value to add to the debate and is only interested in derailing serious debate about our current global situation.

Total enslavement is their agenda WAKE up PEOPLE. You will only be a NUMBER in the new 1 world society.

by Everybody but Arabs did it :) Sun Jun 18, 2006 02:22

Arabs did it. What's so hard to believe about that? Haven't our peacful Muslim friends proven what they are capable of, on a daily basis around the world?
No need to look beyoind those who were dancing in the streets upon hearing of the atrocity of 9/11

by numenorean Sun Jun 18, 2006 01:48 numenoreans at eircom dot net

I am posting a link to a piece on the Nazi involvement in the Reichstag burning.

The "Dutch Guy " who Conspiracy Realist above claims burned down the the building was in fact 75% Blind.

How did he even find the place let alone avoid the security.

Although as usual in these cases the security was lessened on the day of the fire and the building was in fact nearly completely empty.

The "Dutch Guy" who conspiracy realist hasnt even bothered to name also confessed to many other crimes while detained. He was the Oswald of his day. I believe people should find out this mans name for themselves and in finding out his name they may learn that it was highly unlikely that he comitted the crime he was accused of.

The most damning piece of evidence that it was in fact the Nazi's comes from the fact that as usual the scope of the inquiry was limited to only include Arabs. Sorry I mean Communists!

Funny how history repeats itself is'nt it CR.

I believe Conspiracy Theorist to be one of many individuals who are either paid or out of sheer malice try to derail serious discussion with the usual "Conspiracy NUT " line.

Comments like his always appear at the start of threads. Its just a ploy.

Find out for yourself folks! There are many sites to choose from but Infowars.com is a great place to start learning the truth.

Link to Piece http://www.indybay.org/uploads/reichstagfire.ram.

its about ten minutes long and well worth a watch.

Vi Veri Veriversum Vivus Vici

by numenorean Sat Jun 17, 2006 05:03 numenoreans at eircom dot net

Search for mike ruppert on google video where he presents some stunning evidence of fore knowledge of the attacks.

This mans character is impecible.

also see http://www.universalseed.org/ which has many links to usefull sites in the search for what Really happened during nine eleven before and after.

Is there any truth movement up and running in Ireland to support our american brothers in their fight for freedom against an oppressive control obsessed government.

If so please mail me.

FIGHT THE NEW WORLD ORDER.

Vi Veri Veriversum Vivus Vici.

by Sean L. Thu Aug 11, 2005 06:46

I think anyone should be able to see fairly easily that the WTC towers would not collapse in the manner in which they did (ten soconds-- basically freefall rate) without being a controlled demolition. The laws of physics were most certainly not suspended on 9/11 2001. The dust, literally and metaphorically, has settled. Let's look at it with more sane, more realistic eyes. I realize this is hard for a lot of Americans to accept, that their government, that benefitted so much from the "opportunity" of 9/11 as Bush, Rumsfeld, Rice et al. so cynically deemed it, were the orchestrators of it. But the truth is not always pretty. Let us do precisely what 9/11's designers do NOT want us to do: let us look at it OBJECTIVELY. Start by asking "who really benefits from it?" which we already mentioned, and then analyze the "official" story and its many holes, many "unexplainable" or "coincidental" occurrances pertaining to 9/11, as well as the suspect's actions after the fact regarding "investigating" or "solving" the crime. Some outstanding questions that individually and collectively tear the guts out of the "official" fable are:
1.) The video footage of both Twin Towers and the WTC # 7's "collapses" are damning to the Nth degree. In regular speed, not to mention watching frame by frame, the explosions from the cutting charges are CLEARLY visible and numerous. In closer-up footage of the North Tower "collapsing", the video camera (on a tripod) visibly shakes for about three seconds from a ground tremor caused by obviously the enormous amounts of explosives disintegrating the main columns where they meet the Manhattan bedrock, several levels underground in the sub-basements. A few seconds later the cutting charges near where the bottom of the pall of smoke was explode and the building just comes right down into its "footprint" in ten seconds like an enormous stick of butter. This can only be a controlled demolition. There are even visible the jets of dust blowing out of the windows, called "squibs". It is obvious. WTC # 7, in comparison with the Twin Towers, is EVEN MORE obvious if that's possible. Some good footage can be found at these sites in addition to others:
http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/collapse%20update/#videos
http://wtc.macroshaft.org/mov
http://www.wtc7.net/
http://www.globalresearch.ca.myforums.net/viewtopic.php?t=523
As for a detailed explanation as to just exactly why the laws of physics and the principles of engineering both say the WTC "collapses" had to be controlled demolitions, see:
http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/soldier5.htm
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/121104easilywithstood.htm
http://www.serendipity.li/wtc.htm
2.) Where the hell was the world's most expensive air force on 9/11?? When every other time before and since when an airliner deviates from its flight path or turns off its transponder the air force has fighters scrambled and off the wing of the deviant airliner in a FEW MINUTES. Why were the "hijacked airliners" allowed to fly for over an hour to their targets with absolutely no interference whatsoever from the air force?? Over the most heavily-watched, well-defended airspace in the country, the Northeast?? Some good links regarding that are
http://emperors-clothes.com/news/airf.htm
http://emperors-clothes.com/indict/indict-1.htm
http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/JohnJudge/WrongQuestion.html
http://www.flight93crash.com/flight93_military_faq.html
3.) Why did the Pentagon, America's military headquarters well-equipped with surface-to-air missile (SAM) systems, not fire even one SAM in its own defence?? Why did the "airliner" that hit the Pentagon circle around and aim at the wing of the Pentagon that was under renovation (few military personnel present), that had recently had its side walls strengthened to hinder a fire there spreading throughout the building, and was the part of the Pentagon farthest away from where Rumsfeld and the top military brass are?? Why did the F.B.I. within five minutes of the crash seize the tapes of two civilian security cameras facing that part of the Pentagon that got hit? One was a petrol filling station and the other was a hotel.
Why was the Pentagon's lawn not gouged by the "airliner" that they claim hit it? Why was the hole in the Pentagon's E-ring wall as initially seen and photographed minutes after the crash so tiny? Notice how they blew a much larger section of wall out about a half hour later to try to augment the "airliner crashed here" story? Nice photos of the lawn showing conspicuous absence of identifiable airliner parts like wings, tail section, fuselage, luggage etc.and showing original hole are at
http://www.pentagonlawn.net/home.htm
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html
4.) Bush's very behaviour on the morning of 9/11 is damning. When Andy Card whispered in his ear that a second plane had crashed into the WTC there could be no doubt that it was no accident. If the "official" story were true then Bush and his Secret Service staff would have had to assume that he was a possible target. But even the "official" story admits what really happened next. Instead of his Secret Service men hustling him out of the well-publicized photo-op in the elementary school to a much safer location, Bush was allowed to sit there and be read to by schoolchildren. Then he milled about and talked with the teachers, posing for more photos. THEN he carried out his pre-scheduled press conference pushing the "No Child Left Behind" act, not leaving that school until almost an hour after Card gave him the news of the second crash. One junior Secret Service man can immediately be heard to say, "we're out of here!" but he is quietly overruled. This can only mean one thing: Bush and his Secret Service chief KNEW Bush was not a potential target on 9/11. And the ONLY WAY this would be possible is if Bush knew the details of the plans for 9/11, meaning it was an inside job.
5.) How on earth did the "hijacker's" passport survive the "intense" fire we were told incinerated the people, the plane and even the "black boxes" to be "found" [read: planted] near the WTC rubble? What was his passport made of, rolled homogeneous armour plate?? It was obviously planted, but by the "official" story trying to pass it off as fact just brings up another unpleasant question: If this was his passport, why did NO Middle Eastern names appear on ANY of the four flight manifests?? And furthermore, why did at least seven of the "hijackers" turn up ALIVE and well days after 9/11, wondering why they were being wrongfully accused?? The BBC as well as the Daily Telegraph and other sources carried this news, I think on 23 September 2001.
6.) How about the "hijacker pilots'" proficiency? By everyone's account none of them could even fly Cessnas or Piper Cubs worth a damn, they were terrible. Commercial airline pilots have said there's no way someone with very little aptitude for flying or training on large aircraft could control an airliner like they did, and furthermore real airliners won't do the kind of high G-force manoeuvres that the "official" story admits would be necessary to hit the South Tower and the Pentagon in the manner done on 9/11. Commercial airline pilots agree that real airliners won't do that. See:
http://www.masternewsmedia.org/2001/10/31/commercial_jet_pilots_analysis_of_the_twin_tower_attack.htm
7.) Various people were warned to avoid flying and the WTC on 9/11 prior to that day, including San Francisco mayor Willie Brown and top generals in the military. See the website:
http://www.rense.com/general66/pre11.htm
8.) Record amounts of "put" orders were placed on American Airlines and United Airlines stock, as well as the stock of Morgan Stanley- Dean Witter who were headquartered in the WTC, all in the week before 9/11. A "put" order is basically betting that a stock is going to lose value. Even though this is obvious foreknowledge and the Securities & Exchanges Commission knows who did it, it has done NOTHING about it. Check out this:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/140605tenquestions.htm
9.) Why was all the debris from the WTC shipped off to China and other places to be melted down as quickly as possible? Isn't this destruction of evidence?? Why was the Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) put in charge of determining why WTC # 7 "collapsed" when it has no investigative jurisdiction or experience?? And if the "official" story was true then wouldn't they want to study the steel debris from the WTC to see just how "fire" could cause the buildings to "collapse"?
10.) Five or six different air force exercises were scheduled for 11 September 2001and were taking place that morning, involving "hijacked airliners" and false radar injects. FEMA had an exercise scheduled for 12 September in Manhattan but "just happened" to be in town since 10 September, ready for 9/11. Also carrying out exercises on 11 September 2001 were the C.I.A. and the National Reconnaissance Office (N.R.O.). The NRO's "exercise" involved an "airplane crashing into a building". Also "conveniently" in Manhattan on 9/11 was a company called Controlled Demolitions Incorporated, specializing in removal of debris from controlled demolitions (like the WTC). The odds of all this being a coincidence are one in a googolplex, mathematically impossible.
11.) Bush's actions in the time since have shown him extremely averse to real investigation into how 9/11 really happened. He vigorously opposed even forming a commission to look into the matter, then only agreed after determining what its scope would be (narrow with a predetermined outcome) and handpicked its members. He even wanted Henry Kissinger to lead it, but eventually settled for Kean. It was a whitewash commission pure and simple, with the scope decided from the outset of being not to apportion blame but to make recommendations as to "how to avoid another 9/11", not at all what it was marketed as, not an independent commission to look into how it happened in the first place. And Bush wouldn't even come before THAT pre-selected dog & pony show, instead insisting on "testifying" behind closed doors to a select two committee members, whilst not under oath, with Dick Cheney and his attorney Alberto Gonzales present, with no tape recording of it and no notes taken. Does this at all sound like the actions of a man with nothing to hide??
So if your burning question is "how did they do it?", the answer is:
As the four real airliners took off on the morning of 9/11, four remotely-piloted drones took off as well, mirroring their flight paths but at a considerably higher altitude. Three were smallish, about the size of a large fighter aircraft or a small commuter jet like a Lear jet. One was a remotely-piloted air force tanker drone (of the same dimensions of a 757) loaded with fuel. All were painted in United Airlines and American Airlines livery. They were controlled by operators on an air force E-3A Sentry A.W.A.C.S. aircraft. At a certain point, NORAD called the real airliners' pilots on the radio and told them of a [nonexistent] "terrorist attack" at some airports and to turn off their transponders and loiter out over the Atlantic until it can be determined which airports are safe to land at, so they do. The drones however fly back towards their targets. Meanwhile, air force fighter pilots patrolling out over the Atlantic as part of one of the aforementioned "exercises" are told by NORAD that the incoming aircraft (the real airliners) are actually "drones" simulating "hijacked aircraft" and to shoot them down, so they do. If they're still alive they probably think they were shooting down drones for target practice on 9/11. Meanwhile, one of the smaller drones hits the North Tower (hence the early reports of a "small plane" hitting it). Seventeen minutes later, when the media's cameras are trained on the WTC, the tanker drone hits the South Tower (hence the huge Hollywood movie fireball). Then the Pentagon is hit by another smallish drone (hence the early reports of it being hit by a "small plane"). The fourth drone, probably meant for the White House or Capitol Building, was not needed, as the other three had hit their marks just as the planners hoped. So a different pilot, this one from North Dakota air national guard, is told it is a "real hijacked airliner" headed for the Washington D.C. and to shoot it down. If he's still alive he probably grimly thinks that he saved the White House or Capitol Building. Then, the pre-existing demolition charges in the WTC buildings were fired, starting with the South Tower because the fire in it was almost out, eliminating their "excuse" for the building's "collapse". These charges had been in place likely since the aftermath of the 1993 van explosion incident, as a "failsafe" self-destruct mechanism to ensure that in the event of another explosion or an earthquake that the Twin Towers, if unsafe, could be evacuated and brought down right into their "footprint" without toppling over onto other buildings. So for insurance reasons primarily I would suspect that the charges were in place for quite a while. They were set off from the mayor's command centre in the hardened concrete bunker on the 23rd floor of the WTC # 7 building (which itself was rigged beforehand with demolition charges to blow the building); that's why later in the day they demolished that building too, to destroy the command centre's evidence.
I strongly urge everyone to go look at these websites:
http://www.serendipity.li/
http://www.question911.com/
http://www.911weknow.com/
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2005/270605insidejob.htm
http://www.pej.org/html/print.php?sid=2736
http://washingtontimes.com/upi-breaking/20050613-102755-6408r.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/leopold02192003.html
http://www.shout.net/~bigred/PHarbor.htm
http://www.americanfreepress.net/12_24_02/America_Pearl_Harbored/america_pearl_harbored.html
http://www.antiwar.com/orig/weiner6.html
http://www.public-action.com/911/robotplane.htm
http://www.911review.com/means/remotecontrol.html
http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/CTS
http://www.sysplan.com/Radar/FTS

by don't buy it Mon Jul 04, 2005 01:22

>>But in reference to the post from Amy Sasser promoting Karl Scwharz - don't be taken in.

>>Schwarz writes nothing but crap, no sources, just self aggrandizing BS which requires that you just believe him wide eyed and adoring. He's been exposed as a lying con-man and an arms dealer with intelligence connections (but little intelligence) as you'll see from his hilarious responses when we busted him

In the above post, Holmgren wants people to come look at his supposed excellent research on his site to expose Schwartz but if you look at some of his other supposed 'research' into 9/11, you'll find that Holmgren promotes the idea that fake jets hit the towers on 9/11. You'll also find that he supports the Webfairy, who sought to destroy the 9/11truth movement by pushing the idea that giant Holograms hit the towers on 9/11.

Trying to cut down Schwartz is probably Holmgren's attempt at appearing credible to people on the left. Don't buy it, he isn't.

by Madame Karnak - One of "We the People" Fri Jul 01, 2005 04:26 inexorable at earthlink dot net

Putting the "who" aside for a minute, let's look at some of the facts that don't fit the government stories at all.

WTC

1. Building 7 which is behind the twin towers "fell" or "collapsed" in the evening of September 11. Since the only fire that was evident in this building was confined to one side of the building and since the fire did not break out the glass, it wasn't burning very hotly. Additionally, there were no signs of the building listing as would occur from the extremely high temperatures required to weaken steel. Now, since the building appeared to experience very little damage and wasn't hit by an aircraft, why did this building fall?

2. A janitor in the bottom of one of the WTC buildings saw and heard an explosion near the basement level where he was. He dragged a coworker out of the building and away from the ensuing fire. He was not interviewed by the commission, nor were 15 other EYE WITNESSES who saw the same thing. His name, I think, is Willie Rodriguez and there are stories about him on the web.

3. There was a High rise hotel that caught fire and burned for 8 hours with such intense heat that the steel girders in the middle of the building began to bend, yet the building did not fall. That building did not have "concrete-encased steel supports like the WTC. The concrete casing is a tremendous fire protection and would have further reduced the ability of any but the hottest fires to "bend" the steel. No bent steel was found. Blown out steel was found, but not fire-bent steel.

4. If a building falls, due to a structural failure, the various parts fall at different rates and they tend to fall in large pieces. They do not turn to powder. The WTC buildings fell straight down. The concrete, glass and other constituent materials were essentially powder, which is why there were all those people walking around coated with thick dust. It is also why there was real hazard to those breathing and coating their lungs with concrete dust among other things.

5. A crew of Israelis was filming the towers from across the river in New Jersey. When the first plane hit, they began to cheer. This story has been reported in Scottish and American newspapers.

6. When President Bush was told of the towers being hit, for some reason, even though under normal conditions his Secret Service would have assumed that he was in extreme danger of some kind of attack and hustled him off...for some reason, they let him sit there reading an upside down book. WHY? Why wasn't he immediately taken to some place secret and safe to prevent him from some kind of attack?

7. Why were members of an Israeli answering service company and several other companies told not to go to work on September 11? Why?

8. Why did Jeb Bush declare martial law in Florida September 7 and explain it as to "prevent terroristic acts?" This seems odd when combined with Condoleeza's statement that they had no idea that someone would think of flying jets into a building.


THE PENTAGON

1. If you look at the opening in the Pentagon, it is not large enough for a jet to have made.

2. There is a correponding hole where the object came out on one of the inner courtyard's of the Pentagon. It is even smaller than the entry hole and there is no plane pieces protruding from it.

3. Photographs taken immediately after the incident do not show any large pieces of debris, no seats, no luggage, no passengers, no personal effects, no fusilage and NO BLACK BOX.

4. The grass around the pentagon does not show the deep scoring normally caused by lowered landing gear (to slow the plane down for better aim) or from the fusilage digging into the ground just as it entered the building. There are no deep grooves visible in the floor of the area "entered" by the alleged plane.

5. Film shot by a video camera at ground level across from the Pentagon does not show a large plane entering the building. It shows a small object like a drone or a missile.

Regardless of who organized these events, it is clear that the stories being offered defy physics and material science laws.
That fact alone should make people want to know what really happened and why.

by Amy Sasser Mon Jun 27, 2005 12:35 Asasser at cfl dot rr dot com

"By their own admission and website advertising propaganda, Praxair Surface Technologies is the only company FAA certified to work and rehabilitate worn out or corroded components of the Pratt & Whitney JT8D turbojet engine in question."

“Your reliable source for Turbine Engine Fan Blade repairs is now providing total overhaul capability of JT8D Fan Hub Assembly repairs. Praxair is the only approved source to overhaul both blades and hub"

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/020205Schwarz/020205schwarz.html

Destroying evidence?? You decide

Fire, Explosion Rock St. Louis Gas Plant By BETSY TAYLOR, Associated Press Writer
Fri Jun 24, 7:23 PM ET



A blaze at an industrial plant sent huge fireballs shooting into the sky Friday afternoon, casting a towering cloud of black smoke over the area as traffic backed up and nearby residents evacuated their homes.

There were no injuries, St. Louis Police Chief Sherman George said. There also was no word on the cause of the rapid-fire series of spectacular explosions at Praxair Distribution, which processes propane and other gases for industrial use.

Company spokeswoman Susan Szita Gore said she wasn't certain how many of the plant's 70 employees were there at the time of the explosions, but all were evacuated safely.

The explosions appeared to come from tanks outside the plant and from the plant itself. Cars and trucks parked nearby caught fire.

Firefighters held back at first before trying to battle the blaze as the blasts sent flames more than 150 feet in the air. The fire and smoke could be seen for several miles.

"At the height of the event, it was just fireball after fireball rising into the air," said Chris Casey, an employee of Saint Louis University several blocks away. "It looked like movie pyrotechnics. I've never seen anything like it before."

Homes and businesses were being evacuated in the mostly residential area south of downtown, and major traffic backups caused by the fire delayed the start of the St. Louis Cardinals baseball game by a half-hour.

Police Chief Joe Mokwa said Interstate 64 was shut down near the site for fear that additional cylinders might explode. But by late afternoon, officials said they believed the materials had stabilized.

During the most intense period of the fire, Mokwa said, cylinders were "shooting 100 feet into the air."

The company is part of Praxair Inc. of Danbury, Conn. A spokesman had no immediate information on the fire.

The company's primary products are atmospheric gases such as oxygen, nitrogen, argon and rare gases, along with process and specialty gases like carbon dioxide, helium, hydrogen, semiconductor process gases and acetylene.

Leland Darrow, assistant area director of the Occupational Health and Safety Administration office in St. Louis, said he was not aware of any safety violations at the plant.

Mayor Francis Slay said the city was monitoring air at the site to make sure no hazardous materials were being released. "So far we have not detected any," he said.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20050624/ap_on_re_us/st__louis_fire&printer=1;_ylt=Ar6ZP_cranODMr5hTb...

by Gerard Holmgren Tue Jun 14, 2005 18:25

If you needed any more proof that the USG did Sept 11, I have a lot of the best research linked on my site.

Summary article

http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/manufactured.html

Detailed research and documentation

http://members.iinet.net.au/~holmgren/truth.html

But in reference to the post from Amy Sasser promoting Karl Scwharz - don't be taken in.

Schwarz writes nothing but crap, no sources, just self aggrandizing BS which requires that you just believe him wide eyed and adoring. He's been exposed as a lying con-man and an arms dealer with intelligence connections (but little intelligence) as you'll see from his hilarious responses when we busted him.

Karl Scwarz - unfortunate son
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318783.shtml

Karl Scwarz - spook or strutter
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/05/316680.shtml

Karl Schwarz caught with his pants down
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318783.shtml#183278

Why Schwarz lied about the A3
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318783.shtml#183281

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318783.shtml#183282
Why Schwarz lied about the 737

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2005/06/318783.shtml#183283
Karl Schwarz - arms dealer or liar

by Amy Sasser Thu Mar 24, 2005 14:18 Asasser at cfl dot rr dot com 3214528605

I am a realist. 911 was an inside job. If you read Karl W B Schwarz’s Book “One Way Ticket to Crawford Texas a conservative republican speaks out“ , it will wake you up in some areas that are not covered. Read his articles. Listen to every web cast he has made. His book reads like a legal brief. Full of documents on the powers that be. Mr. Schwarz was a republican insider, he was high up in the RNC. You will discover what the government has been hiding from the American public. The reasons for 911!! If you take the time to do your own research on Karl Schwarz and his information you will find that he is on the front lines of the investigation. Read his articles.. "Pop goes the Bush mythology Bubble". Number 5 shows that the Pentagon plane has been ID'd. Number 7 is on the way. The Series covers what the 911 commissions had to gain by covering up. The 911 commission was a white wash job. I searched for 3 years to find the people that had the ability to prove their case. Karl is that man and the people that he surrounds himself with. Go to RBNlive .com and listen to his web casts that were with John Stadtmiller of the Intel report in the archives. The government has been attacking those 2 web sites to try to stop the truth. If you do not do this you will be missing out on the best information to help arrest these people. The Manhattan DA and the NY attorney General Spitzer office are in possession of this information and also tons of documents. Congress has subpoena powers for murder, as does the Manhattans DA’s office. Time is running out for these criminals. Bin Laden was the fall guy he was a CIA asset as was Saddam. Sibel Edmonds is still gagged on what she knows. She translated information after 911 on pre 911. It names foreign names and AMERICAN names , money laundering that ties to 911.

Any person that has common sense will follow these leads that I have brought to this board. Any person with common sense will pay attention to what Karl Schwarz says and writes about. I like to call his book a legal brief. IT is that damming.
If you want to know how the media is involved get into the archives of www.cloakanddagger.ca Tom Heneghan and Sherman Skolnick are your men there. They will also give you more details of why certain people are being murdered. You will find that Sherman Skolnick has helped put away over 40 judges since his work begain in the 60’s to clean up the courts. You will figure out who Tom Heneghan is after you listen to him a few times. They will discuss the Plame case in detail. 911, Money laundering and the pedophile ring that goes all the way to the white House on both sides of the isle. Cloakanddagger.ca site gets hacked and attacked by the powers that be all the time.. So if it is down, wait, it will be back up. Google Lenny Bloom arrested you will know more about that site and who runs it.
People, 911 is being covered up by both sides of the isle and the truth seekers are close to bring them down Hence the Pat acts and the dooms day plan. Please don’t put your head in the sand and think this will go away. It will not. Millions of people world wide know 911 was an inside job and will continue to search and research for the truth.
Alex Jones is correct in what he says if you investiage his work. A light bulb will come off in your head. Please listen to Alex Jones…he is a great source of information of the powerful illuminati. Yes there is such a thing. I did my research over these last 3 years. You need to do yours. I knew they day the government came out with the 19 hijacker story, 911 was an inside job. That was just too quick! There were no Arab names on the passenger list. Of course since the government has the ability to cover up things, with the CIA involved and these people that are imbedded in groups to stop the flow of information, know who IS your enemy ! Bless the people of the US who will not stand for the lies from our government any longer. Stop watching the propaganda on TV. The terrorists sit in DC…our shadow government and the fascists have taken over our Country. It is time to take it back. Don’t take my word for it, do your own due diligence. When you visit Karl's web site please sign the 911 petition and Sibel Edmonds Petition. If we don't take our country back it will be a FUBAR! Right now it is a Charie foxtrot (CF).

by Andy Wed Feb 23, 2005 07:02

How about this for the maddest conspiracy theory since the lone gunman crap (JFK). Some prick in a cave in Afghanistan wants US troops out of Saudi Arabia (his only demand). So, what does he do? Does he send a gang of suicide bombers to attack those troops. No. Does he assassinate some saudi official who facilitates the american troop presence in Saudi Arabia. No. He sends a gang over to America to attack two buildings where people from almost every country in the world work. So this gang of devout muslims, who all believe that on 12th September 2001 they'll be in paradise f***ing the a***s of a gang of virgins, go out on the 10th September 2001 to a nightclub and knock back a few vodkas (thereby automatically disqualifying themselves from the "virgins" reward and making their chances of seeing Allah very slim indeed). The next day all metal detectors in Boston and Washington airports don't detect metal. The entire fleet of the USAF just can't take off for about 1.5 hours for some reason. These half-baked "pilots" miraculously navigate their way to NY and DC without any help from air traffic control, and demolish three of the strongest buildings ever built. F***ing Mad!

by mise Sat Feb 12, 2005 01:29

yes I agree, but the witness was only asked to speculate.

read each of these sites then get back to me!

http://911research.wtc7.net/


http://www.ifrance.fr/silentbutdeadly/
http://www.geocities.com/killtown/

http://0911.site.voila.fr/pentagonstrike.htm
http://www.wtc7.net/911research/talks/pentagon/introduction.html"
http://www.geocities.com/pentalawn2000/

http://0911.site.voila.fr/BionicAntboy.htm

href="http://www.netctr.com/911exposed.html
http://summeroftruth.org

http://nineeleven2001.t35.com
http://home.comcast.net/~skydrifter/exp.htm
http://www.911review.org/Wiki/PentagonAttack.shtml"

http://911skeptics.blogspot.com

http://www.mikejwilson.com/911
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr68.html

http://0911.site.voila.fr/vonbuelow.htm

http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html
http://www.prisonplanet.tv/audio/091204hilton.htm

http://no757.0catch.com/
http://0911.site.voila.fr/xymphora_en.htm


http://0911.site.voila.fr/ericbart.htm
http://physics911.net
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/9-11-demonstrative-evidence-of-frameup/message/80

http://www.jp-petit.com/Divers/PENTAGATE/Pentagate1.htm

http://membres.lycos.fr/applemacintosh/pentagon.htm

http://members.surfeu.fi/11syyskuu/index.htm

http://amigaphil.planetinternet.be/PentagonCrash.html

http://www.bcrevolution.ca/911_photos_prove_hoax.htm

http://perso.club-internet.fr/mouv4x8/11sept01.html
http://guardian.150m.com/

http://www.thepowerhour.com/pentagon-911.htm
http://www.rense.com/general33/911med.htm

http://www.media-criticism.com/911_Theory_10_2003.html

http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://deprogram.info

http://www.ulliswelt.com/dateien/htm/frame_new_en.htm

http://www.pentagate.info
http://www.pouncingturtle.com/The911Hoax.html

http://www.911inplanesite.com

http://www.119-questions.com

http://911research.wtc7.net/index.html

http://physics911.org/net/modules/news/article.php?storyid=3
http://investigate911.batcave.net/pentagon1.html
http://www.911uncovered.com/pentagon.html
http://www.911hoax.com

http://www.septembereleventh.org
http://911independentcommission.org/questions.html
http://www.kansascompanion.com/911.htm
http://resistir.info/links/links_11set.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/MEY204A.html

http://ourworld.compuserve.com/Homepages/G_Wisnewski/spiegel.htm
http://www.steinbergrecherche.com/uemeyssan.htm

http://www.worldpeacenet.net/media/press6.htm

http://www.geocities.com/s911surprise3b/american_airlines_flight_77/
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/pentagon.htm
http://forums.delphiforums.com/ground_zero2001/messages/?msg=744.136

http://www.onlinejournal.com/Commentary/032403Kaminski/032403kaminski.html

http://www.nzaif.com/pentagon/pentagon911.html

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/store/index.shtml

http://www.broeckers.com/buelow.htm

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline/

http://www.thoughtcrimenews.com/wtc.htm

http://www.underreported.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=1136&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0"

http://www.letsroll911.org/"

http://www.rense.com/general45/911.htm

http://globalism-news.com/flight77.html

http://oulala.net.free.fr/wikioulala/index1.php

http://www.crc-internet.org/june2aa.htm

http://www.communitycurrency.org/Part1A.html#flight77

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/images-pentagone/index.htm

http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs_en.htm

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/pentagon/pentagon_20020316.html

http://cryptome.org/

http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm

http://www.freenet.de/freenet/special/11_september/index.html

http://69.28.73.17/thornarticles/powerdown.html

http://www.serendipity.li/wot/bollyn1.htm

http://www.bosankoe.btinternet.co.uk/

http://users.skynet.be/sky51736/quid.htm

http://www.infoguerre.com/article.php?sid=445

http://www.heatherwokusch.com/index.html

http://www.propagandamatrix.com/archiveprior_knowledge.html
http://www.thenewliberator.com/wethepeople.htm

http://www.copvcia.com

http://www.guerrillanews.com

http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/orwell/93/howlfive.html

http://www.apfn.org/apfn/flight77.htm
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/77comments.html

http://www.geocities.com/erichufschmid/PentagonPlaneCrash.html

http://www.coredefence.com/
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26777

http://www.unansweredquestions.org/
http://www.indymedia.org

http://www.questionsquestions.net/p05_issues.html

href="http://emperors-clothes.com

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/

http://www.enduring-freedoms.org/

http://home.comcast.net/~jeffrey.king2/
http://newsoutpost.com/index.php
http://www.septembereleventh.org/ellenmariani.php

http://www.loftninjas.org/projects/20010911/

http://www.arbeiterfotografie.com/galerie/kein-krieg/hintergrund/index-rezension-2.html
http://www.hintergrund.de

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=507514

http://sf.indymedia.org/news/2002/09/149985.php

http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=38326&Disp=10
http://www.irak.pl/Stop/RV.html

http://www.americanfreepress.net/10_10_03/Controversy_Swirling/controversy_swirling.html
http://www.libertythink.com/

http://membres.lycos.fr/wotraceafg/etrange.htm

http://www.ceiberweiber.at/wahl1/9-11.htm

http://www.democracynow.org/print.pl?sid=04/06/07/1927239
http://www.legrandsoir.info/article.php3?id_article=1642

http://www.feldpolitik.de/
http://www.mediachannel.org/

http://www.entrefilets.com/index.htm
http://www.nypress.com/17/33/news&columns/MATTTAIBBI.cfm
http://www.dedefensa.org/

You will fund more links embedded in each of these sites Noel - read them and get back to me.

by conspircy realist Sat Feb 12, 2005 01:04

metric tones of paper survived the two collapses and therefore it isnt possible for a passport to survive?????Righttttt!! not to mind 800 other personal Ids in the ruins.

So everyone knew saudis wer learning to fly planes and no one did anything about it?
Can we say FUCKED UP BEURACCY AND INTELLIGENCE SERVICES[caused by fuckwitted democratic presidents and congress] Boys and girls??I mean mohamed Atas visa came thru THREE DAYs after the WTC attacks.

And contary to pouplar belifs the USAF or better still the Air national gaurd DO NOT store or have fully combat ready aircraft parked at every USAF air field ready to go[they do now]pre 9/11

Get over it.There is no conspircy!
Even if there was.
WHO would first of all risk their political career to come up with such a harebrained scheme?/The CIA went out of assination busisness with the church comittee investigation in 1977. It would take a braver man than the cheif of the CIA or the POTUS took such an operation.If it went wrong the fallout would finish off anyone immediately and permentaly.Not a good move if you want to stay in power for 8 years.
WHAT benefit would it be to the Isrealis for doing such?Again if it went wrong the consequences would be disasterous for them.No more money,military aid,etc from the USA.they would have too much to lose.

by Barry Fri Feb 11, 2005 02:07

It wasnt peoples imaginations about those Israelis (definitely not mossad) filming the attacks on the towers and cheering, and the simultaneous pictures of Palestinians dancing being broadcast. That happened. How in the name of Jesus did an Israeli camera crew decide to throw sweets out to palestinian kids on the same day ?

It wasnt anyones imagination that every security agency seemed to know what these guys were doing learning to fly. Then when all these planes go off track on their own accord, nothings done to stop it ?

And an intact passport of an alleged hijacker is found in the rubble ? BULLSHIT.

iI remember watching footage of Henry Kissinger surveying the damage shortly afterwards and the bastard was chuckling away.
And then all that Anthrax business right after it, which later was suspected of originating from a Govt lab.

The American people seem to have been deliberately terrorised into going to war, and the middle easts oil is the prize.


By the way Noel, the link Davy keeps referring to is NOT the "bankrobbers gazette", but a reputable and thought provoking republican site known as "the blanket."

by patrique Fri Feb 11, 2005 01:03

Dear Conspiracy Realist,

You mean there might have only been two snipers in Dallas? Why does everyone think there were four? The only thing everyone knows for certain is that Oswald didn't do it. And it wasn't me, although people keep asking me "where were you when Kennedy was shot" so I think I am a suspect.

Always remember the line from the "Godfather" when Kay says to Michael that Presidents don't have people killed. Michael says "Who is being naive now Kay".

'nough said.

by Conspircy realist Fri Feb 11, 2005 00:47

So that you dont look like complete muppets!

Hitler didnt "blow up"his own parliment.It was burned down,and for our conspircy driven trailer park dwelling midwest American high school history dropout,it was a Dutch jewish arnachist who was caught doing this.Not under any nazi orders BTW.The guy was a deluded loon,who thought he would stop the nazis by doing this.it was used by Hitler to strengthen his grip on Germany and play the race card further.
So you obvisouly know it all better than most structual engineers,architects,especially the guy who built the twin towers as to how it colapsed.By God,i wonder WHY are you posting here you should be employed by all those organisations you belive are responsible for this atrocity.
SO YOU TELL US
How the WTC collapsed,in a reasonable and factual and scientific manner,backing this up.
HOW the hole apperead in the pentagon.
And please in reasonable and factually informative manner.
while you are at it tell us where Amelia Earhart, and Glenn Miller are, and was there asecond sniper in Dallas as well what happend REALLY to princess Diana.Could you tell us about Roswell as well???
Because i am SURE the CIA FBI DEA NSA and the POTUS would love to hear about it as THEY dont know either!

Man! I LOVE Indymedia.It is like watching Star Trek.Exploring strange new worlds that exist in some peoples heads!!!

One to beam up Scotty! there is no intelligent life in this post.

by Noel Thu Feb 10, 2005 09:59

Previously, I'd believed it was just anti-American naive ignorant fools who bought the 9/11 conspiracy stories.

However, Mise has unearthed a truly compelling and credible witness.
Okay, so perhaps he's Moroocan born. They don't all hate America.
And perhaps he's been inside. Nobody's perfect.
And yes, perhaps he was inside on charges of terrorism.......ermmmm.

But the smoking gun lies in the phrase 'maybe it was done by ultra-conservatives in the United States'.

The prosecution rests.

by mise Thu Feb 10, 2005 07:08

MONTREAL—A Moroccan-born Montrealer detained for nearly two years on suspicion of being a terrorist testified for the first time yesterday, suggesting ultra-conservative Americans may have been responsible for the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

"I'm not an expert but from what I read, some guy living in a cave doesn't have the means to plan an attack against the most powerful nation in the world," Adil Charkaoui said when Federal Court Justice Simon Noël asked who was responsible for the attacks.

"It could've been (Osama) bin Laden," Charkaoui said. "But maybe it was done by ultra-conservatives in the United States for economic gain.

"It was the world's biggest conspiracy."

Charkaoui denied at his bail hearing that he was a terrorist and vowed to abide by any conditions imposed by the judge.

by patrique Thu Feb 10, 2005 00:37

John Grisham, not my favorite but sometimes good, actually wrote a book about a 9/11 type conspiracy two years before it happened. The septic tanks blew up their own embassy in Lebanon to rally everyone behind a war mongering Presidential candidate, and it worked. Who said Bush and his handlers can't read.

By the way Noel, the Yanks and Mossad probably already know I've posted this, so I can't imagine how they didn't know about 9/11. Well they had to, otherwise they couldn't have shot down the plane approaching the pentagon.

by Balor Thu Feb 10, 2005 00:21

GWEN IFILL: Senator Graham, are there elements in this report, which are classified that Americans should know about but can't?
SEN. BOB GRAHAM: Yes, going back to your question about what was the greatest surprise. I agree with what Senator Shelby said the degree to which agencies were not communicating was certainly a surprise but also I was surprised at the evidence that there were foreign governments involved in facilitating the activities of at least some of the terrorists in the United States.

I am stunned that we have not done a better job of pursuing that to determine if other terrorists received similar support and, even more important, if the infrastructure of a foreign government assisting terrorists still exists for the current generation of terrorists who are here planning the next plots.

To me that is an extremely significant issue and most of that information is classified, I think overly-classified. I believe the American people should know the extent of the challenge that we face in terms of foreign government involvement. That would motivate the government to take action.

GWEN IFILL: Are you suggesting that you are convinced that there was a state sponsor behind 9/11?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it -- by a sovereign foreign government and that we have been derelict in our duty to track that down, make the further case, or find the evidence that would indicate that that is not true and we can look for other reasons why the terrorists were able to function so effectively in the United States.


GWEN IFILL: Do you think that will ever become public, which countries you're talking about?

SEN. BOB GRAHAM: It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now. And, we need to have this information now because it's relevant to the threat that the people of the United States are facing today.

by Davy Carlin Wed Feb 09, 2005 13:25

Hi Noel very very quickly


Not sure what conspiracies {s} you are talking about as I only raised one conspiracy

On the issue of sending hundreds of thousands of mainly working class men and women off to die for selfish and economic interests - It is a fact of history - go read up on it

On the ethnic cleansing of the Native Americans it is a fact of history -go read up on it

On the swamping of 'black areas with illegal drugs resulting in the death and murders of again thousands more of its citizens, it is a fact of history -go read up on it

On the convert operations in Latin America with coups or the arming, financing and training of right wing murderous paramilitaries, it is a fact of history and goes on presently - so go read up on it

Further abroad the times and countries are to numerous to mention - but just up to date, the training, arming. funding or support of people from Bin Laden to Saddam Hussein - go read up on it

Therefore Noel I believe we read and tune into different stations.

But that’s what it is all about - it is what you believe. In fact I write on many of the campaigns I am involved in and do so as I had seen from the Anti War movement in Belfast to the NIPSA dispute and much more how organisations tell pure lies and seek blatant revisionism through the control of their own media and internal organisational outlets - for their own selfish interest .

This situation of course intensifies when a state has usage of the mass media, the state institutions, and global allies to fabricate and manipulate such for its citizens again for its own selfish interest.

Of course there will be many who can and will see past such tripe and off course those organisations, or on a larger scale the state will use whatever methods to protect their interests. May it be personal attacks, fabricated evidence, or indeed death as we well know in this wee patch of earth. It is done they say or think for the benefit of their members or citizens - when in reality on many occassions the benefit is for themselves

Therefore the only Conspiracy I talk about is the link I provide. Do I think this theory is plausible given their past and developing history - yes - Can I prove it - No -that is why it is a conspiracy theory. Yet the title of your last post 'he is behind you' could ring true if I did have proof - as history has shown many who had such evidence to a once theory did not live long enough to see it coming out - into fact.

Finally I do not put myself forward as chief of anything but to simply do as I have always done. That is to put my points and let others make up their own minds as you have yours. Thanks for the engagement - have to get back to work - up to my eyes.

Signing off D

by Noel Wed Feb 09, 2005 08:53

Davy,
As you’ve put yourself forward as Conspiraloon-In-Chief; how about some evidence for these conspiracies, from a reliable source?
And I don’t mean from the fever swamps of BushChimpIsEvil.com, and most certainly not that Bank Robbers Gazette you insist on linking to.

by D Tue Feb 08, 2005 18:20

Thank you for that very reasoned and well thought out arguement in defence of the US governments 'democratic history' imposed brutality on their own citizens, in many cases, over centuries. Do I need really to go through its 'wars' on its own citizens and on those covert and overt wars abroad etc etc

Your points I believe may not have given much enlightenment to many users of this site - but if you want to debate or indeed discuss US state and agency 'warfare' on its own people, since its foundation {and on those innocents abroad} well go for it as I am all ears - ready and open to be convinced of their true sincerity

by Noel Tue Feb 08, 2005 17:47

Is it national Conspiraloon Day today?
Or has the Village Idiot Branch of Conspiraloon.com found their way onto this site?

David Icke was more plausible.

by Davy Carlin Tue Feb 08, 2005 17:02

Which document was this as it would be useful to know.


'George bush signed a document saying that any police fbi or cia agent that arrested bin laden would be prosecuted'

I am getting a lot of feed back re that article I had written at that time, linked above. Suggestions to link it to various sites - will do once I update it a bit.

I will say this though there are those who of course do not want such issues discussed and realised amongst a wider audience. So that is all the more reason for me though - to do just that

by Eoin Doyle Tue Feb 08, 2005 15:11

Aparrently just about all of the hijackers were from saudi arabia.

and no too long ago these hijackers were found alive.

??????

Theres no need for the us to go into saudi arabia theyve been friends for too long since they own about oooo 10% of america.

North korea

Comlumbia

i believe they are the next targets after Iran

by David Byrne Tue Feb 08, 2005 15:06

first of all if you did your homework you would find that
no plane had crashed into the pentagon.

http://www.rense.com/general20/hunt.htm

Can you explain how a Boeing 757-200, weighing nearly 100 tons and travelling at a minimum speed of 250 miles an hour* only damaged the outside of the Pentagon?" and it only damaged a side that was being fixed up at the time.if you look at the pictures there was no plane debris.im sick of ignorant people
please for the love of humanity go investigate. the info is all there all you have to do is look.
there is no democracy .

by Davy Carlin Tue Feb 08, 2005 14:18

It is a crazy world my man, created by an even crazier system.

by Gareth Tue Feb 08, 2005 14:11

it was an inside job .these power crazy maniacs create terrorist attacks to make the people scared so they will give up there civil liberties for protection....
just like hitler did when he blew up his own capital building and blamed it on political enemies.
george orwells 1984 read that and go to

infowars.com
prisonplanet.com

ignore peoples opinions just look at the facts.

george bush signed a document saying that any police fbi or cia agent that arrested bin laden would be prosecuted

by Davy Carlin Tue Feb 08, 2005 14:06

Thought I might throw this wee link into an article I had written just weeks after Sept 11 which I eventually sent on to the Blanket website. It is titled simply ' Conspiracy Theory'
.

by conspircy realist Tue Feb 08, 2005 12:47

A French website,[maybe biased?]with casino gambling website popups.And not much else!!!

Now mise get away from the computor before the nice nurse spots you and calls for the two big blokes in the white coats with the big butterfly net!!

by Noel Tue Feb 08, 2005 10:26

Hey Mise,

I've got this bridge I'm selling, if you're interested.

by mise Tue Feb 08, 2005 03:01

open your eyes fool it was an inside job!!

by conspircy realist Mon Feb 07, 2005 23:24

It was Elvis and Amelia Earheart who flew ito WTC1in a sucide love pact.
Maybe you should check out the website of the guy who built the WTC towers and some of the more renowned architects and structural engineers of this planet and their websites as to why the towers collapsed and in the fashion they did?Rather than beliveing some senile German ex minister and a raving conspircy nut!

Bit racist to suggest the Saudis are cave dwellers isint it?
No ,it doesnt take much to learn to fly either a cessna or a 757.first thing you are taught when you are flying is how to turn and bank and operate the controls.Help yourself along with a microsoft flite simulator and you will have the throttle settings and everything you need to fly int NYC.

So ones passport survied.BIG DEAL!!.TONNES of paper survived the crash.Was that all a cia/mossad/ whatever plant as well??
Fact is it was islamic terrorists who flew the planes into the pentagon,the WTC.nothing else!

by mise Mon Feb 07, 2005 22:18

of course 911 is/was a conspiracy - its just a question of who was involved in the conspiracy.

Was it a bunch of cave dwelling saudis who couldnt fly a cessna - never mind do top gun stunts in an Boeing 757 at 500mph?

Was it the Dancing Israelis??

Or was it an inside Job? Since when did mobiles work on aeroplanes? They did that day if you believe the crap from the US media.

The fire was hot enough to melt steel in the WTC, yet the lead hi-jackers passport survived and flew 2 blocks on its own. None of the black boxes from any of the planes survived that day - they are built to withstand 3500 G - they are indestructible.

When that golfer died at the controls of his lear jet over the states a few years ago, 2 fighter jets were on his tail in 5 minutes.

http://physics911.net
http://911research.com

by DAvid Byrne Mon Feb 07, 2005 17:02

y do u use the word conspiracy?


the information he gives is more than u see in the news. ignorant people like you should....im not even going to say anything

by Spinning Quickly Mon Feb 07, 2005 16:20

Alex Jones is a conspiracy nut - he keeps talking about the Illuminati among other groups. The noise in his output drowns out any signal.