the Islamic Jihad Army - A video message in English

by The media platoon of the Islamic Jihad Army of Iraq Thu Jan 13, 2005 23:06

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http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1/message-from-resistance.wmv

by mise Fri Jan 14, 2005 01:54

This is at least two months old - but still applies, if not more so, as the insurgency is spreading. Estimates put the insurgent numbers at 200,000.

The US:
"They are very ingenious, they plant IED's in soda cans or in the carcasses of dead animals"!!!

Two 20 tonne Bradley Fighting Tanks have been blow to smithereens in the last two days by a dead dog and an empty soda can.

by Devil Dog Fri Jan 14, 2005 02:38

Seeing as you're into physics given your links to a 9/11 "physics" site, can you tell us how it would be possible to insert enough HE into a soda can or dead dog to blow a Bradley "to bits" ?

by kitty Fri Jan 14, 2005 02:54

Dunno about the soda can, but the dead dog should be big enough if some of the innards are taken out. But I look forward to reading the 'mise' explanation.

by Phil Stone Fri Jan 14, 2005 03:11 clan_man12000 at yahoo dot ie

Preaching to the converted^^^^---Keep up the good work! By all sound media accounts, the US army is a fairly ineffective fighting force. They can bomb cities and reduce them to rubble, but by doing so, they create the next generation of Isamic fighters. The wave of disinformation coming out of Iraq is unreal.

People of late, have questioned the absence of God, with the actions of the so-called civilized world, should you really be that surprised?I believe in God and I understand why he'd turn his back on the evil bastards of this world. I'll praise the actions of the insurgents becasue it is something I would do, if faced with such evil.

by Barry Fri Jan 14, 2005 03:47

Having read the latest reports of the video and photos coming from Abu Greib (I believe they were the ones viewed in private by a congressional hearing), as well as the destruction of Fallujah, I have no doubt that Satan not only exists, but that his works are plain for the world to see.

Starving dogs devouring corpses of slaughtered civilians.

Men being forced to commit homosexual acts of perversion, sodomised with batons and pieces of fruit, an elderly Iraqi woman forced on all fours, told she was a donkey, then made to act like a donkey and ridden by jeering US troops. Video footage of a hooded detainee shackled to a steel door and attempting to bash his own brains out against it to escape the satanic inhumanity of his captors.

Not propaganda from Islamic fundamentalists, but reported by the Washington post and CBS.

Not just the actions of a few bad apples but apparently carried out in the presence of US commander Ricardo Sanchez, as a US captain is prepared to tesify.

I am a christian, maybe not a great one, but Jesus is NOT with the sick trash who carried out these perverted, inhuman war crimes. My christian conscience tells me which side Im on, and who Id be fighting against if I was an Iraqi.

As regards mise, there is absolutely no way you could take out a Bradley with a charge in a soda can. Even a dead dog, if it was scooped out and filled would only disable it if it went off directly under neath. Bradleys, like most of US and British heavy duty vehicles are fitted with reactive armour. It certainly wouldnt blow it to pieces.

The dog-bomb though would certainly wreck a Humvee, steel plated or not.

These are most likely anti- personnel devices as opposed to anti- armour. Still very effective though under the right conditions.

by mise Fri Jan 14, 2005 04:08

If you care to read what I wrote you will notice - what the US are saying about insurgent tactics and the reality are completley different.

Exactly : How can you blow up 2x 20 tonne Bradleys with a dead dog and a soda can??

That was my point you muppet!!

by mise aris Fri Jan 14, 2005 04:36

Sorry coulndt find this earlier!!

"Roadside bombs are one of the leading killers of U.S. troops in Iraq. They are hidden in everything from soda cans to animal carcasses."

The Iraqi resistance is better armed than we are being told, which was simply my point in the first place.

You cannot blow up a Bradley with a dead dog, filled with any known explosive. They have to be blown from inside by a penetrating rocket that produces 1million ppsi, some of the Russian high powered rockets can indeed take out a Bradley with its 10 inch thick armour.

by Barry Fri Jan 14, 2005 04:37

Your sarcasm isnt very apparent. I wasnt the only one who didnt understand what you were saying. Surely we all cant be muppets. A few exclamation points etc wouldnt go amiss. Were not all mind readers.

Now I understand you better, well pointed out. There is nothing only disinformation coming from the US Britain and their tame media.

by mise go foill Fri Jan 14, 2005 04:40

Soz Baz, Sarcasm like revenge Is a dish best served cold!!

:-)

by Tom Stone - anti_yank Fri Jan 14, 2005 04:48

I'm no expert, but a poodle full of semtex would certainly blow a fucking tank apart.

by Barry Fri Jan 14, 2005 04:56

Unfortunately youd need to get the bastard inside the tank first.

Its not like the old days Im afraid.

check out reactive armour with a search on Google. Even the RUC landrovers are fitted with the feckin stuff.

by Yoshie Fri Jan 14, 2005 05:35

Reuters obtained from Iraqi guerrillas "an English-language video urging U.S. troops to lay down their weapons and seek refuge in mosques and homes" (Michael Georgy, "Iraq Rebels in Video Taunt," January 12, 2005), promising protection to soldiers who heed their call. The Information Clearing House has made the video and a transcript of its content available: "A Message from the 'Iraq Resistance.'"
FULL TEXT:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2005/01/video-message-from-iraqi-resistance.html

by Fintan Bolton Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:21

Eric Blumrich casts some doubt on the authenticity of this video. See the following link:

http://www.ericblumrich.com/dec04.html

(it's down the page a bit --- try searching for 'information clearing house')

Essentially, he points out that both in terms of production values and content, this video is radically different from anything else produced by the Iraqi resistance.

by Yoshie Fri Jan 14, 2005 10:58

Obviously, none of us can say for sure, but my guess is that it was made by a young Arab man educated in the UK or the US, who may or may not live in Iraq right now. There is no shortage of that demographic.

It's like Franz Fanon speaking for the FLN in Algeria.

by mise Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:04

No Tom it wouldnt. The Bradleys have 10 inch thick DU mesh armour. First it has to be penetrated and then an explosive charge of nearly 1,000,000 psi is necessary to completly destroy it. Semtex only produces 40,000 psi .

by Barry Fri Jan 14, 2005 11:11

The Bradley is vulnerable at its air intake vents, a favoured target for RPG gunners.
Secondly at close quarters, an rpg team working in threes can definitely destroy one, providing they all go for around the same spot. After the primary explosion the reactive armour becomes more brittle and penetrable.

by Yoshie Fri Jan 14, 2005 12:27

In Malaya, "The British had held a twenty-to-one advantage in police and troops against a guerrilla force that never numbered more than 10,000, including its civilian support apparatus, a fraction of the Viet Cong armed strength and its civilian support apparatus, and they had had the racial antagonism of the Malay majority toward the Chinese in their favor as well. The war had still lasted twelve years" (Neil Sheehan, A Bright Shining Lie: John Paul Vann and America in Vietnam, 1989).

Based on the record of British Malaya, it would take 4 million US troops more than a decade to put down the 200,000-strong guerrilla force in Iraq.

FULL TEXT:
http://montages.blogspot.com/2005/01/how-many-troops-would-it-take-to.html

by mise Fri Jan 14, 2005 13:32

I'm sorry Barry but RPG's wouldn't DESTROY a Bradley, they might penetrate the hull and maybe put it out of action with a slow burner - but it wouldn't destroy it. They are designed to withstand Tank Shells being fired at them at close range. I was looking for a clip just now - which shows a Bradley exploding into a thousand pieces as it raced along an Iraqi road. Whatever hit it was no mickey mouse RPG. When I find it I'll post it.

by Brian Vernon Fri Jan 14, 2005 14:04

Hi guys, did ya miss me? Well here's my first post of the new year and it's a goodie. Now who exactly is this election in Iraq for? Is it for the people of Iraq? No - it's for George Bush and Tony Blair and all their cronies.

by mise Fri Jan 14, 2005 16:18

This is an old story from last year , the article says its a 62 tonne Abram that gets it here - but I don't know shit from tanks!!

by Barry Fri Jan 14, 2005 17:00

Didnt say it would totally wreck it, but conentrated rpg fire, at close quarters, would, and HAS, put them out of action.

Also have you seen the new RPG warhead which was specifically designed to penetrate reactive armour? WOW!!

Its very similar to the ordinary RPG, but with an elongated spike, and an additional small charge on its nose.

WWWOOOWWW !!!!

Only a few months ago, a strange new projectile penetrated the hull of an Abrams with a single strike. Molten metal injured one of the crew and they abandoned ship. Its possible this was it.

Awesome.

by Devil Dog Fri Jan 14, 2005 17:06

The vehicle in the left frame looks like an MBT all right, can't make out if it's an M1A1....but that photo is taken from a much higher angle than the centre video clip, which looks way too small to be a tank, more likely a HMMWV or maybe an LAV.

That's a very rational website allright, US vehicle markings are really a broken down star of David....yep, the Iraqi people would certainly be better off with the RG back in charge...the same RG which shat their pants and buggered off home in GW I as well as OIF.

by Brian Vernon Fri Jan 14, 2005 17:24

Just after the invasion started, the U.S. discovered to its horror that Russia had supplied the Republican Guard with 1,000+ advanced Kornet anti-tank missiles, quite capable of disabling the previously invincible American Abrams M1 Main Battle Tank, used primarily to protect less heavily armored vehicles and troops. In a very real sense, each Abrams tank was a compact and mobile indestructible 'fort' complete with a large 120-mm gun, just what was needed to protect vast mobile columns of men and equipment, but that was before the Russian Kornet, and long before the new horror shown in the video at the top of this page, whatever it might be.
The Russian Kornet missile typically penetrates the Abram's armor and disables the tank by killing one or more of its crew, and/or by starting a slow fire, but for all that the Kornet packs a relatively small explosive charge. On the few occasions that an Abrams has been completely destroyed by a Kornet, the process has been slow, starting with a small fire which has spread to the propellant charges in the turret bustle, which in turn and over time leads to a bigger fire, more internal pressure, and the likelihood that the turret ring will burst, hurling the turret off to one side. Regardless, very large identifiable chunks of the tank always remain for the souvenir hunters, and I have never seen any weapon [even heavy caliber aircraft rockets] detonate a complete tank like a hand grenade, which is exactly what happens in the video at the top of this page.
This particular Abrams was in transit at about 40 m.p.h. to the north of Baghdad on 17 September, being faithfully tracked by a video camera at long range. Thus there is no chance that this was some sort of catastrophic 'accident' because the camera ignores all other vehicles on the road [of which there are several], and zooms in on this tank alone, just in time to record it exploding into dinner-plate size chunks is slightly less than one quarter of one second. All twelve members and supplementary members of the tank crew vanished, with only a few minor body parts recovered later.
After examining each individual frame of the blast expansion until my head was spinning with fatigue, I finally concluded that the explosion started inside the tank, though the cause remains unknown. I can only suggest that in order to create the several millions of pounds of pressure needed to completely fragment this veritable masterpiece of Chobham and DU mesh armor, in less than a quarter of one second, the new weapon would need to be in the micro-nuclear or gas plasma class at the very minimum.
Exactly what the weapon is, might be virtually irrelevant to what appeared to be a terrifying demonstration for the other American armor crews on that road at the time. Though you have not been told about this tank or its twelve dead crew members, I can assure you that everyone in the U.S. Armored Corps now knows about the 62-ton 'invincible' Abrams, which literally vaporized in front of the other tank crews' startled eyes. Remember, this was the one weapon system left which might have provided limited road protection on the long trek south to Kuwait, but someone somewhere has now demonstrated their ability to pop a 62-ton Abrams M1 like a party balloon.

by Devil Dog Fri Jan 14, 2005 17:41

1. That clip looks nothing like an M1A1.

2. Tanks are NOT used to provide security for road marches and convoys.

3. An M1A1 has a crew of 4 - having riden in one, I can assure you 12 men inside one simply ain't possible. unless they're dwarves.

4. Kornets didn't come from Russia.

by Brian Vernon Sat Jan 15, 2005 03:32

I simply pasted a paragraph from the above link. Feck off back to israel muttley

by mise Sat Jan 15, 2005 04:37

[para]The list of critics of the U.S.'s presence in Iraq is growing each day. Former Staff Sergeant Jimmy Massey is a 12-year Marine veteran who's returned from Iraq, airing some very disparaging views on his country's role in the Middle Eastern nation.

The American marine entered Iraq as part of the initial American invasion in March 2003 and was witness, and in some cases took part in, the killing of innocent civilians.

He says that in one 48-hour period, he witnessed the killing of some 30 civilians by U.S. gunfire at highway checkpoints.

What changed Massey's view of the occupation was the sheer brutality of the American military's actions."[para]


Dont shoot me, I'm just the messenger, and stop with the name calling you bitches.

by Bitchy, wooo Sat Jan 15, 2005 04:58

Does anyone have a link were you can buy buy one of those things ( and not one to mi5.org).

Or maybe 2 dozen.

by redjade Mon Jan 17, 2005 16:57

After months of arguing that they had the situation under control, senior US commanders have finally conceded that they are not facing a bunch of "dead-enders" and fanatics but a highly trained and motivated resistance movement of around a quarter of a million fighters who are capable of mounting "spectacular" attacks ahead in the fortnight before the election.

One high-ranking army officer was even moved to admit that the coalition is losing the fight and told the Sunday Herald that the battle might never be won.

"The truth is that we are containing the problem but we are in no condition to crack it," he said. "It's bound to be an imperfect exercise for the simple reason that in many parts of the country we have failed to impose our authority and failed to win the trust of the local people. Instead, they have turned to the insurgents as their best bet."

by Brian Vernon Tue Jan 18, 2005 17:08

Christmas is aver moron :

The sources said Assad has acquired funding commitments from Iran and Saudi Arabia to facilitate the Russian arms deal. They said Assad planned to demand immediate transfers of such systems as the SA-18 surface-to-air missile, Kornet-E anti-tank weapon and a Russian upgrade of Syrian artillery.