32 CSM condemns the harassment of a Derryman by MI5 in Spain

by Barry Wed Feb 09, 2005 23:13

I enquired whether reality check was a cop simply because on a couple of occasions elsewhere he claimed to have detailed inside knowledge of Colm Murphys interview notes which werent in the public domain.

It was therefore a reasonable enquiry and he hasnt denied it. He also seems to be a fervent supporter of Special Branch against any criticism.

At NO time did I try to suggest that Oglaigh na hEireann had not admitted responsibility for their role in the horrific events at Omagh.

What I pointed out was the fact they they are the ONLY grouping thus far to do so, and that there were/are a lot of other things going on under the surface involving British intelligence and RUC/Garda Special Branch.

I would refute totally your description of Oglaigh na hEireann as facist.
In fact those who have been "ruthlessly using brutal violence in order to change the opinions and policies of others" are the very MI5 agents this thread was meant to highlight the activities of. Their record over the last 30 odd years in this is absolutely atrocious, with the mass murder of innocent Irish civilians being a run of the mill occurence.

Eveyone is entitled to their opinion, including yourself , myself and the 32csm.

It appears to me (and a growing number of other people) that Omagh itself was designed to silence political dissent, and ensure British rule remains unopposed.

Even before the Omagh tragedy republicans like myself who retained their opposition to British Dominion here have been constantly harassed and, threatened and worse because of our political opinions, opinions we are absolutely entitled to hold and express.

British rule and those (north and south) who are its mouthpieces, propagandists, apologists, collaborators AND facist killers were most certainly the only people to have benefited. And benefit they most definitely did.

Both this and any role they may have played in ensuring the slaughter in Omagh occured deserves to be pointed out.

by Max Wed Feb 09, 2005 21:06

Anybody who has a view which challenges Barry's is atomaticaly labeled a cop.

"By right thinking moral people do you mean fellow guards ?"

This is his only way getting away from the fact that he is an appologist for murder and an enthusiastic propogandist for a blatently facist organisation (And im not talking about the rights and wrongs of sean Russell). Any organisation (and thier supporters who condone it) ruthlessly utilising burtal violence io order to change the opinions or policys of others can be labled facistic.

So despite what the Omagh spokes person has been accused of and no matter what black opperations may or may not have taken place the reality is that The Real Ira claimed responsibility for the Omagh bombing and the Murder of 29 inocent people this is a Reality which Barrys tactics diversion tactics cannot cover up.

by oops corrigendum Fri Feb 04, 2005 20:42

I should of course not have said that Colm Murphy was convicted for "directing terrorism" - in fact it was for "conspiracy" to cause the Omagh explosion ...

But the fact remains that his conviction was subsequently overturned and a retrial ordered ....

by Time for a REAL Reality Check ... Fri Feb 04, 2005 20:29

Dear Mr. (Sur- or should it be Ir- ) Reality Check

Colm Murphy was indeed convicted of directing terrorism - no right thinking person would dispute that .....

However, the sad fact of the matter is that in order to secure that conviction the daring intrepid members of the Garda Sicíní appear to have ... em how shall I put this .... ahem ... resorted to telling some wee porkies .....

With the unfortunate result that the conviction was overturned and a retrial ordered .... so in fact according to the law of the land Colm Murphy IS INNOCENT of all charges against him UNTIL SUCH TIME AS PROVEN GUILTY BEFORE A COURT OF LAW (preferably not relying on perjured testimony from members of the constabulary) .........

And while we're at it canvassing support for the Omagh Relatives Support Group let's not neglect calling for a little bit of JUSTICE FOR THE FORGOTTEN .... or are you too young to remember Dublin-Monaghan ...... ?

by - Fri Feb 04, 2005 17:00

Michael Gallagher ?

Those are some pretty serious allegations against him from close family members.

His claim that its a republican plot to discredit him doesnt seem a likely explanation.

by Reality Check Fri Feb 04, 2005 16:50

No, just normal people - people with a conscience, people who take responsibility for their actions, people who don't seek to blame others for their sins.

by Barry Fri Feb 04, 2005 16:50

Whether hes a guard, a PD or a member of Opus Dei (or all 3) hes not worth the bother.

Plus I always beat him hands down, so its beneath me.

by . Fri Feb 04, 2005 16:41

you cant libel a pseudonym

by Barry Fri Feb 04, 2005 16:41

By right thinking moral people do you mean fellow guards ?

by Reality Check Fri Feb 04, 2005 16:39

Libellous implies that I have damaged your reputation. Considering your consistently repugnant outpourings on these boards, I don't think I could possibly lower your standing in the eyes of right-thinking moral people.

by Barry Fri Feb 04, 2005 16:33

I have never shadowed or followed anyone in my life.

What are you suggesting ? That is a highly dangerous never mind libellous allegation.

Given that this thread is about an Irish man who was followed throughout Spain by armed British plain clothed soldiers and threatened, I suggest you direct your daft comments at them.

by Reality Check Fri Feb 04, 2005 16:17

But Barry I'm only trying to subvert you so I, on behalf of the Irish and British States and Independent Newspapers, can enlist you in a black operation to murder another 29 people in a provincial Irish town and then convince the gullible people that it was actually a peace-loving organisation like the Real IRA/32CSM what did it.
I can't believe you don't like being stalked around the boards, because you and your republican cronies love shadowing people. At the very least, you don't have to worry about me shooting you.

by Barry Fri Feb 04, 2005 15:59

I decided to do so.

2 special branch men are currently charged with 40 counts of perjury in Colm Murphys case. It has been proven by forensic testing the so called unsigned admissions made by Colm Murphy were in fact total fabrications.

Colm Murphy has never been charged with, never mind accused of directing terrorism.

Neither Michael Gallaghers brother or sister have been charged with making false allegations.

As for your suggestion I believe anyone deserved to die in Omagh, that is utter bullshit, like everything else you come out with when following me around the board.

by Reality Check Fri Feb 04, 2005 15:49

Barry, Just out of curiosity - What does any of this have to do with the fact that the Real IRA AKA 32CSM murdered 21-year-old Aidan Gallagher.
Are you suggesting that he deserved it because allegations were made about his father?
The Omagh Support & Self Help Group is not a one-man show either. It includes a number of other families.
But I'm sure Barry has some "dirt" on them, which will explain why their loved ones deserved to be murdered by an illegal unmandated terrorist organisation.
For a man who honestly believes that Colm Murphy is innocent of directing terrorism, your standards of what is acceptable proof seem to have taken a dive when it comes to Michael Gallagher.

by Barry Fri Feb 04, 2005 15:40

Mr Gallaghers sister also made similar allegations.

As was pointed out in the interview, their brother Hugh, a UDR soldier was shot dead by the IRA. It is not a likely scenario that either of Gallaghers siblings are part of a Real IRA plot against him.

"Civil rights" campaigner Vincent McKenna, another media darling at one time, also claimed to have been the victim of a republican smear campaign as well. The allegations against him were public knowledge for years before any official action was eventually taken. And that was only after he had served his purpose for the state.

Mr Gallagher himself is extremely fond of pointing the finger at others on a lot less evidence.

by Reality Check Fri Feb 04, 2005 13:10

Barry's Red Herring about Freedom of Information is a classic "black operation", designed to make him appear as if he knows it all and that everybody should know about the bogus Gallagher allegations.
Barry is suggesting that this information is somehow freely available to anybody who would bother getting it and that anybody who doesn't know how to is either ill-informed or too lazy to engage in the exhaustive "research" that he does.
In reality, this information will not be available under Freedom of Information to anybody except Mr Gallagher.

by Reality Check Fri Feb 04, 2005 13:06

Here's an article that appeared in Ireland on Sunday in January of 2003 re unproven allegations by Mr Gallagher's brother. An investigation has since taken place, no charges will be brought, and no evidence of any wrongdoing was found. The case is closed and Mr Gallagher has been completely cleared.
In Barry's eyes, however - the bereaved Mr Gallagher is tarnished merely by the allegation, guilty forever because he can't prove his innocence. Unlike the Real IRA AKA 32CSM, who as a matter of fact murdered 29 innocent people, but are innocent by virtue of being the "victims" of a so-called black operation.
Incidentally, there were suggestions that Mr Gallagher's brother had been intimidated by the Real IRA AKA 32CSM, a matter that was also investigated by the police. I don't see Barry mentioning that.

THE BROTHER of Omagh campaigner Michael Gallagher has spoken for the
first time about why he has brought allegations of sexual abuse against his
older sibling.
John Gallagher alleges that he suffered years of physical and sexual abuse
at the hands of the Omagh campaigner while they grew up in Scotland.
He said: 'I have now come to terms with my past and the abuse I suffered at
my brother's hands. I suffered a nervous breakdown and lost my family. I
became violent.
'It has taken me years to build up the courage to speak about this. The only
reason why this didn't come out sooner was because my mother was alive.
It took years of counselling for me to finally come to terms with what
happened.
'My brother should not be running a human rights group.
He abused me from the age of seven to 13. He should step down from his
position as spokesman for the Omagh families at once.' Micahel Gallagher,
however, strenuously denies the allegations. 'I think people will see through
this for what it is and the people who don't see through it are the people
who don't want to. I have not been charged and no file has been sent to the
DPP.' Last week, when the allegations first emerged, he claimed they were
part of a smear campaign by the Real IRA.
'When you do what I've done you do make a lot of enemies,' he told
journalists, without naming the complainant. He said he believed the abuse
allegations had only surfaced because he had raised his profile in the media
through his campaign for justice.
John Gallagher insists that his brother's explanation makes no sense. 'I
have nothing to do with the Real IRA. I lost my brother Hugh to the IRA.' The
Omagh campaigner was formally interviewed by Scottish detectives over his
brother's allegations said to have been carried out when the family lived in
Scotland during the 1960s.
Detectives began their investigation after John Gallagher, a 49-year–old
contract manager from Omagh in Co. Tyrone, claimed he was sexually assaulted
as a seven-year-old.
The civil rights campaigner was taken to a PSNI station in Co. Tyrone in
November after agreeing to be questioned by Scottish police officers, rather
than face arrest.

by Barry Thu Feb 03, 2005 23:50

In the months prior to the Omagh bombing Michael Gallagher was questioned at his home by RUC detectives. They questioned him about the alleged sexual abuse of a member of his immediate family. A work-shed at the rear of his home, were a crime was alleged to have taken place, was searched by detectives also. However no arrest was made.

Then in late 1999 both Gallaghers sister and brother (a man with a slight mental disability) approached the Scottish Herald newspaper and requsted they be allowed to give an interview. The paper then published its account of their interview, where both siblings claimed to have been sexually abused on numerous occasions by Gallagher throughout their teens.

They claimed that they had not been prepared to accuse him of being a sexual abuser untill their elderly mother had died, as they knew this horrific story would destroy her. They also claimed that they were of the belief that Gallagher had also been abusing at least one of his own children prior to the Omagh bombing. This was in reference to the earlier search of Gallaghers home by RUC detectives.

When questioned, briefly, by an Irish journalist (whose name escapes me at present) on his brothers and sisters claims, as well as his previous questioning by detectives, Gallagher replied that everyone is innocent until proved guilty. He also claimed that his brother and sisters allegations were part of a real IRA plot to discredit him.

Whether his own relatives allegations are true or not is one thing, but I would treat the view that both this mans brother and sister, along with the editor of the Scottish Herald are part of a Real IRA black propaganda unit with some suspicion.

However under the new freedom of information act, which came into force in January, the public records office in Omagh should be able to supply any interested party about the details of Gallaghers prior questioning at his home by RUC detectives.

by sean o'Callaghan Wed Feb 02, 2005 18:57

Are you gona anwser the man's question Barry?

by max Mon Jan 03, 2005 13:44

To smear any body who presents a coherent argument you cannot refute is pretty lazy argument. I Did ask around at home this christmass and surprise surprise these vague rumors that you have planted above have absolutly no basis in reality. Nobody in Omagh knows what you are refering to barry. what are you refering to?

by Barry Thu Dec 09, 2004 19:26

As youre from Omagh, ask around. Ask what he was arrested and questioned for a few years ago, and why his own brother and sister went to the police.

by Maxwig Thu Dec 09, 2004 17:00

Barry please clarify your vague opinions on Michael Galagher's right to express his opinion, after all is he not more qualified than you to speak on this subject , given that they did murder his son.

by Barry Wed Dec 08, 2004 20:02

The reasons why Omagh, Dublin Monaghan and the mass sectarian slaughter of Irish civilians throughout the last 30 years have happened in the first place was directly as a result of the recruitment and use of agents by British intelligence.

All too often these agents have been used to conduct black operations on behalf of British intelligence, with tragic and horrific consequences. These consequences have been seen and felt, not only in Omagh or Dublin but hundreds of other places which the politicians and media, never mind the law, largely ignored. The only people to benefit from Omagh were British Intelligence. Just like other atrocities their agents were up to their necks in it.

The 32 county sovereignty movement have every right to highlight the activities of this bunch of morally bankrupt hypocrite scum who lecture the world on terrorism yet have been responsible for hundreds of deaths and 1000s of fucked up lives in this country.
This Spanish episode proves they are intent on ruining more.

There are other days, maybe not as dramatic as Omagh, that I certainly will never forget, or forgive. There are victims which are still ignored and never got an ounce of public sympathy. Nor did they seek it.

As for having the right to lecture anyone on morality or justice, to see Michael Gallagher of all people lecturing on behalf of victims is an absolute travesty and a sick joke.

by MaxWig Wed Dec 08, 2004 16:25

What constitutes Harassment? I seem have vivid memories of harassment that I just cant seem to get rid of, try as I might. On sat 15th of aug 1998 myself and a few mates were spending some time hanging around in Omagh town centre (our home town)when we were brutaly harassed by members of thev 32csc/real IRA. They had'nt the decency to be yo harass us in person do ya know how they did it? They packed a car full of amonium nitrate based explosive and then they set this device off among a crowd of around 300 people killing 30 and directly fucking the lives of around 200 others. If this does not constitute harassment then I just dont know what the worlds comin to. So the 32csc can take thier stupid winging stories and fuck off . How dare these moraly bankrupt, punishment beating, hypocrite scum even open thier mouths on this subject.
(please forgive me if im beginging to sound like toneore but as I say I still cant get that day out of my head and I still feel like im being Harassed every day)

by BG Tue Dec 07, 2004 12:25

Surely it is a bit hastey to jump down the Secret Services throat, all because one chap living in Spain says he was harassed? Let's wait for some comfirmation or at least another witness!