IRAQ: US-Army uses Napalm and Phosphor !

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Friday November 19, 2004 22:17

by x

International media and newspaper report that the US-army uses Napalm and Phosphor bombs in Falluja.
Here is a summary (with links; some in foreign language)

MASS MURDER IN FALLUJA

Since the beginning of the US-attac on Fallujah the city is almost completely closed; which means that men between 15 and 55 are not allowed to leave the city. Helicopters and Snipers shoot on those who try to flee. The city is bombed all day, 7 days a week. US-army Sources say about 1200 "insurgents" have been killed; the number of dead civilians is not reported - and, probably: not counted. At the moment there are still about 50.000 to 100.000 people in the city. There is no medical aid for them. They have wether electricity nor water or food.
The US-army uses Napalm and Phosphor in Falluja:

PHOSPHOR OVER FALLUJA:
http://www.jungewelt.de/2004/11-13/001.php
(from a german newspaper report:)

- grenades with white phosphor have been fired on Falluja which created a wall of fire, burning all the time (phosphor flames can`t be stopped by water - phosphor creates fire by a chemical reaction).
- many people did melt; so enourmous is the heat
- Iraqi doctor Kamal Hadeethi told journalists of the Washington Post: »I`ve seen many people injured; the streets are full of crying people -and full of dead people: they even were melt down to the street.« Falluja residents told that all the streets are destroyed, houses are ruines, and at walls stick parts of human meat.
- white phosphor reacts simply by contact with air and creates temperatures which even make metall melt - when white phosphor burns it sets free clouds of toxic smog. therefore white phosphor can also be seen as a chemical weapon
- white phosphor was used in WW II against german cities

US-TROOPS DESTROY HOSPITALS IN FALLUJA
BBC, 6.Nov.04
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3988433.stm

A hospital has been razed to the ground in one of the heaviest US air raids in the Iraqi city of Falluja.

NAPALM IN FALLUJA:
according to: http://www.freace.de/artikel/aug2003/napalm060803.html

- it seems that the US used in this war every weapon they had - besides nukes.
- but also grenades with low radioctive uran were fired (all in all between 1000 and 2000 tons of uran-munition; in kosovo and serbia, were the US also used this weapon, cancer rate among the population nowadays is extremely high.)
- "Daisy Cutter" bombs (BLU 82)were used; effect: a fireball with radius more than one square mile; miles around this square mile the explosion creates a vacuum: so the lungs of people implode.
- according to the San Diego Union-Tribune Napalm was used against Iraqis. The Pentagon tries to manipulate and denies the use of Napalm: they don`t call it Napalm bombs today; they call it "Mark 77 Fire Bombs", wich would have only an "quite similar effect".
Officially the US destroyed all its Napalm bombs in 2001.
The speaker of the marines, Michael Daily, said, that "Mark 77 is more environment-friendly than Napalm." (Mark 77 consists mainly of cerosin - napalm consisted mainly of benzol; cerosin burns even faster)
- US-Marine Randolph Alles, who directed some Napalm attacs himself said "the Generals love Napalm because it has a big psychological effect - due to the fire ball and its typicall smell".

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Ah memories...

by Ed

Fri Nov 19, 2004 23:15

This must remind the US military of their time in Vietnam...

So what if they did??

by Sgt freedom

Sat Nov 20, 2004 00:34

use this stuff they are perfectly entitled to under the Hauge convention. WP grenades are used by nearly ALL armies on the planet .They replaced flame throwers as a more convient,less bulky and less dangerous weapon.If you are going to insist on staying on as a civvie in a war zone you really only have yourself to blame.

its genocide

by julian

Sat Nov 20, 2004 05:44

its anti-semitic genocide after all arabs are semitic and all the arab civillians that have been killed by the US over the last few years i think amounts to genocide. if they thought they could get away with and didnt have invested interest they would just nuke the place.

Giving the genocidees a fair chance

by Noel

Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:19

The fact that the vast majority of Fallujah actually left before the assault seems to have gotten under the genocide shriekers radar.

If the US really wanted to indulge in genocide do you think they'd allow anyone out, or risk even one brave marine?

Now Darfur, that's genocide.
Where are all the indignant threads on that one? I guess when the US is called upon to clean that up, then the auto anti-US muppets wil come out from under their stones.

George Warmonger Bush International Terrorist

by George Warmonger Bush International Terrorist - The Black House Bullies

Sat Nov 20, 2004 10:35

666 Tenth Level of Hell Suite 666

666-666-Hell Ext. 666

His Unholiness George Warmonger Bush International Terrorist to the Iraqis: "Sorry to Oil the Napalm, Nerve Gas, 500 lb. Bombs, Daisy Cutters, and other WMD's being used in Iraq but Oil comes first."

re: ^

by Ared Drea

Sat Nov 20, 2004 13:30

" WP grenades are used by nearly ALL armies on the planet .They replaced flame throwers as a more convient,less bulky and less dangerous weapon.If you are going to insist on staying on as a civvie in a war zone you really only have yourself to blame."

(a) Exactly which armies on the planet are using napalm and phosphorus? The Irish army? Exactly who are they using them against?

(b) Like Ken Bigley and Maragaret Hassan?

Simplistic twaddle from a daily star reader.

DEPLETED URANIUM WEAPONS IN IRAQ:

by yx

Sat Nov 20, 2004 14:17

http://www.betterworldlinks.org/book107h.htm

quite right.

by daily telegraph reader (jauzhus)

Sat Nov 20, 2004 14:19

if a civie can't afford to hire a car and fill its tank with black market fuel and get his family, dog and servants out of the warzone complete with identification documents, stock certificates and tv license when told by the local authority acting in association with the coalition of the willing, then they're too poor to be counted anyway.
Of course the lower classes have traditionally put granny on their back found a wheelbarrow and walked out of the war zone, but the White House closed the borders with Jordan and Iran coz foreign evil doers were entering Iraq to stop democracy emerging weren't they?

Think about it - How would you get out of Dublin with a weeks notice?
catch the St. Kevin's bus to Glendalough?
And where would you go? the country house? country mouse's gaff? after all you meet all types in refugee camps and your boots have a tendancy to get stolen whilst you sleep. And some poor befuddled types just want to stay and mourn their dead if they can find enough rubble to bury them in the garden.

This war in Iraq is and was un-neccesary.
They can not and could not prosecute this war.
History will judge them and I'm one of those writing history. And for anyone with a computer in their nice warm house to pretend that saome weapons are better than others and that thousands of innocent people have had their lives destroyed "in the name of democracy" and "our values" is as offensive as any denial of the EVIL of war whenever or wherever it occurs.

pics of victims of depleted uranium:

by bibi

Sat Nov 20, 2004 14:27

here you see the incredible effect uranium munition has on human health;

the use of depleted uranium causes genetical defects:

http://www.irak.be/ned/archief/Depleted%20Uranium_bestanden/DU-SLIDES2000_bestanden/frame.htm

for Ared Drea

Sat Nov 20, 2004 21:58

Wp grenades are anti personal weapons that replaced the flamethrower in most modern armies.
Who uses them ; most NATO and ex Warsaw pact countries.Third world countries prefer to roast their civillians or enemies with old fashioned dangerous flame throwers.Yes good ol ireland has them too.[But shhhh we dont want to be associated with using somthing nasty now do we?] they are used for clearing out bunkers ,cellars or rooms.Or for premiter defence combined with a ggallon can of petrol.Called a blast incendiary.Look like a very stout coke can with a grenade spoon and ring.

Magret Hassan and Ken Bigly knew the risks of being in a conflict zone.Maybe they were deluded Indymedia people who thought that by being with the iraquis or being Irish would be a magic sheild against fundamentlist terrrorists.The only thing you need to understand out there is you are a western infidel and not a muslim therefore you are a ligit target for those loons.Go there you know the risks nowadays.as they were adults they must have known the risks.

How to get out of Dublin with a weeks notice and my family.?Jeeze easy peezy.My family left war torn Berlin in 1945 with the Russians two days behind them.Them plus give or take a million Berliners.
.How many were in Fallaujah?And had more than better chances of getting out ,without needing blackmarket petrol?Lets try this scenario if on the other hand Sellafield blows.Should be fun to see appx 2/3rd of Irelands pouplation try to get out of Dublin on the N7 and M50 with appx three hours notice.

Moral of the story if a conflict is coming to your town.Get out while you have the time ,or dig in deep and prepare to ride it out.especially if the army is allowing you to leave.

typical denials and twaddle from people who have never been in a real life crisis or havent grown up yet

Sgt freedom, you are living proof that knowledge does not equal wisdom

by boing boing

Sat Nov 20, 2004 22:41

''The 1980 Protocol III of the Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons deals specifically with the Use of Incendiary Weapons, and their use against civilians.

The United States is not a party to this Protocol.''

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/incendiary.htm

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''The book A Higher Form of Killing, by Robert Harris and Jeremy Paxman, contains a very small ref to use of WP in WWII, when there was a dispute about its use between the British and the US: the US was not bound by the Geneva Protocol for the Prohibition of the Use in War of Asphyxiating, Poisonous or Other Gases, and of Bacteriological Methods of Warfare (which the British felt use of WP was prohibited by) and the British yielded to the US opinion.''

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/11/11/white_phosphorous_hi.html

boing boing

by sgt freedom

Sun Nov 21, 2004 15:08

you are just proving that you are way educated above your natural intilligence.

Do you honestly think that those muderous scum in Fallaujah who rig their wounded with explosives[altogether against the Geneva convention,the Hauge convention and basic humanity] deserve any rules of war.??
Oh sorry forgot our glorious freedom fighters here in Ireland did that as well to the bodies of "touts" in NI.
Not to mind their killing of civillian workers Hassan and Bigley.
As well as in Hassans case slitting her open from breastbone to pubic bone.Again a very clear breach of geneva convention about defiling the dead or executing civillians.If you think that those scum deserve NOT to be burned alive with an effective weapon you are a totally morally bankrupt person!!!
BTW the British despite their squemishness of using phosphorus used flame throwers with great gusto.A flame thrower uses jellified gasoline,also by rights a chemical weapon.
Wake the fuck up people.This is a war zone all and anything will be used to kill the enemy.Yes the innocent get killed unfortuneatly,and anyone who belives that some "rules" will be respected is in cloud cukoo land.

Fallujah: Napalm By Any Other Name

by redjade

Sun Nov 21, 2004 18:45

Anger in Sunni-dominated Baghdad has reached a fever pitch, as an Iraqi physician told a radio station he has examined bodies of people who seem to have died of banned chemical weapons: the bodies are swollen, are yellowish and have no smell. Asia Times Online sources in Baghdad say that people in Fallujah believe the Americans may have used chemical weapons in the bombing of Jolan, ash-Shuhada and al-Jubayl neighborhoods. They also say the neighborhoods were showered with cluster bombs.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/FK20Ak03.html

Also read:

Irregular Weapons Used Against Iraq
http://www.globalpolicy.org/security/issues/iraq/attack/consequences/2003/0407irregular.htm

more links and info at....
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/21/32937/834

More on napalm use in Iraq at this link...

by Michael

Sun Nov 21, 2004 19:00

It's called Mark 77 these days, but it's basically napalm.

Phosphorus (Willie Peter (WP)) Grenades

by Pat Quirke

Mon Nov 22, 2004 16:26

The WP grenade is used by most armies around the world due to it versatility. It can be used as a smoke grenade (emits large amounts of smoke when used) and an anti-personnel weapon therefore eliminating the need to carry 2 different types of grenades. It is not against the Geneva or hague Conventions (have you read the conventions?) and is an acceptable weapon for use.

Napalm is also legal under the Conventions however its use has always attracted much adverse media attention. It is used by very few militaries and even soldiers consider it a "dirty" weapon. It was used in 1991 but not directly against combatants.

Houses of torture found in Fallujah

by toneore

Mon Nov 22, 2004 19:27

toneore at eircom dot net

Given what was going on in Fallujah, the US should use a lot more phosphorous and napalm:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/11/22/MNGQR9VIMD1.DTL

toneore

by ok soo....

Mon Nov 22, 2004 19:51

considering that phosphorous and napalm are rather non-pinpoint non-smart or lets just say inaccurate weapons - as they tend to splatter all over the place - how will using more phosphorous and napalm not kill/harm the Iraqis that, presumably, you wish to 'liberate'?

please explain

British "squeamishness"?!! ROTFPAHMFH (*)

by R. Isible

Tue Nov 23, 2004 03:49

QUOTE: BTW the British despite their squemishness of using phosphorus used flame throwers with great gusto

Are you for real?! What British squeamishness? Are you referring to the squeamishness with which the decorated war-criminal "Bomber" Harris spattered the civilians of Dresden at the end of WW2. Or are you referring to earlier British exploits against Arabs? E.g. in 1922 with the same "squeamish" British war hero http://www.brushtail.com.au/july_04_on/bombing_arabs_history.html

* Roll On The Floor Puking And Holding My Fucking Head

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