RSF Attend Sardinian Conference

by Me Sat Oct 11, 2003 23:10

Whatever about the rights or wrongs of those associated with rsf, the fact remains that trolls are despicable creatures, and using an abusive slogan as your name won't save your comment from being deleted. If you have something coherent to say then let us hear it, otherwise go away.

by True Irishman Sun Oct 12, 2003 05:00

They boast "a sane and credible alternative...".

It says a lot when they have to advertise that they think they're sane.

by former resident. Sun Oct 12, 2003 17:16

you may download the program which makes no mention of any RSF address at http://www.ciemen.org/pdf/programa_gb.PDF
it does however intriguingly suggest that Neil Mc Cormack was to be confirmed as chair of a debate on demographic, economic and territorial differences among European peoples and their representation within European Institutions.

interesting stuff.
Perhaps too interesting to leave to RSF eh? All the "celtic" nations go along, and all the linguistic rights people too, why didn't someone else go?
-or maybe they have not thought to do a report.

I ask not to belittle the work of RSF, but rather to wonder why there was a delegation to a conference on stateless nations from Ireland a nation with perhaps too many states rather than none.

I ask also because Irish involvement was not mentioned by the organisers, nor in the application filed with the Cagliari council 25th Sept. 2003 to furnish the conference with a room the monies for which were first collected on May 17th 2003, or at least that's what the manx said.

by - Sun Oct 12, 2003 17:20

we find the Occitans went, the Euskadi went, the Catalans went, indeed they hosted it last year, Mr Moffat and the celtic league went, the corsicans went, the Sardinians were happy to host it as it foccused on their changing constitutional relationship with Italy, (they have been afforded a home rule statelet there since 1949.)

so how was RSF "represented"?
was there like a little flag?
did someone whistle?
did you get the sunglasses out?
was there a picture of Ruari?

and if you were represented then do you have anything to tell us about Sardinian Nationalists?

are they your sort of people?

by - Sun Oct 12, 2003 17:24

do you like them?

no smoke without fire
as they say.
you _do_ know what I mean don't you?

A people with a state or without merit the dignity of their cultural heritage, if you may accept that in exotic far away places, then Newtownards could be a good place to begin.

by oc Sun Oct 12, 2003 17:28

maïs la lenga es quasi desparegut.

could RSF learn from that sort of propaganda?

by being very serious Sun Oct 12, 2003 21:54

1. Did the RSF delegation or the person who attended this conference "on behalf of the RSF", establish any contact with the groupings there who have known fascist and extremist ultra-right groupings?

2. When expressing solidarity with the Basques and Catalans did the RSF delegation also make an effort to show equal solidarity with the Occitans?
2(a) i.e. did you say tiocfaidh tiocfaidh Euskera but know that Occitania claims your eastern lands?
2(b) i.e. did you say Endevant Catalúnya but know that Occitania claims your northern lands?
2(C) perhaps you suggested "tiocfaidh tiocfiadh, short of ethnic cleansing, the only solution would be an attempt at addressing the needs of the minority to their cultural and linguistic heritage?

3. did you think about publicising your undoubted contacts and links with Italian fascist groupings on this newsite before hand?

4. did your delegate make any comparison between the European islands conference which this year was held in the Aran islands and addresses the particular problems of island regions in Europe? This conference happened in September as well, and the Faroes delegates went along too. did you attend or was it not exotic enough? What discrepency would exist between the ideas and solutions discussed in these two conferences?

5. Did your delegate let the party machine know of the extent of your links with fascist and known ultra right groupings in northern europe?

6. get the feeling you made a mistake?

by really really serious Sun Oct 12, 2003 21:54

you are linked to Fascists.
and racists.

by ??? Sun Oct 12, 2003 23:00

like really?

by hurler on the ditch Sun Oct 12, 2003 23:21

Ah c'mon ipsiphi, since when have YOU been asking serious questions ..... ?

by who me? Mon Oct 13, 2003 00:05

What are the links between RSF and European fascist nationalist groupings?
Are they as "real" and "worrying" as those known to exist between FG and fascist nationalist groupings?
Did you use a family photo of Ruairi and all the little but in no means less heavy O Bhradaighs?
Did the "piper" in the delegation wet the panties at all the pipe variations?
Did you use the same balaclavas?
How about the "getting to know the locals"?
Did you protest against the USAF in Sardinia?
did you notice the alternative and left wing iniative in Sardinia that same period for the "peoples of the Mediterranean"?
http://italy.indymedia.org/news/2003/06/298611.php [from Sardinian IMC]
(They include such stateless peoples as the Magrhebs, north africans, Eastern mediterraneans etc.,)

If RSF represented Ireland let's hope they "represented you".
I doubt it.
ask away...

by making lots of comments and thus giving the impression of - widespread interest. Mon Oct 13, 2003 16:24

Faroe islands.

During the Second World War, when the Germans occupied Denmark, Faroes helped feed Britain by sailing there with fish; they sailed under the new Faroese flag, which the British officially recognised.
the flag is available to see and indeed buy at
http://www.world-flags.net/flag3.htm

There had been a strong movement for independence for many years and in 1946 a referendum was held and the majority chose independence. This caused concern in Denmark and the Danish government dissolved the Parliament. A new Parliament was elected in which there was not a majority for independence. In 1948 the Danish Parliament passed the Home Rule Act making Faroes a self-governing state inside the Danish Kingdom. The Act recognised the Faroese flag and the Faroese language.
So they have a "semi-state".

Now the Faroes want to get full independence just like Eire and that will mean they get postboxes in their own colour, their own seat at the UN, and of course their own entry to the Eurovision.
Independence is great. Their language is a nordic one, but what I really like about it, is their re-introduction of several old letters, and I note that the Mercia independence movement of England wants to re-introduce those letters too.
see http://www.fullveldi.fo/Index.asp

Their taoiseach has explained at length the current program of government to achieve that independence read it in english translation at
http://www.fullveldi.fo/FullveldiVisTidindi.asp?Id=223

The Faroes have no known cases of HIV infection, thier third party is called "The Christian Party", and in the 2002 Danish census 46,011 people were estimated to live there. These 46,011 people have 24,851 telephones.

join in the lively debate:
http://www.faroeweb.com/Forum.asp

by riveted Tue Oct 14, 2003 13:21

and will they form part of the campaign to open up the Faroes to immigration?
and will they support the campaign to fight ultra right wing groupings which all to readily use convenient nationalist myths?

And would either RSF or the Faroes explain whether the Danish fishermen who took refuge in the Faroes during the period 1940-1944 considered to be "danish resistance" or "faroes nationalists"?

by ping Fri Feb 24, 2006 17:46

throughout Europe. From Sardinia to "Occitania" RSF don the sunglasses and go talking "for all of us".
Of course most readers of indymedia ireland are full aware of the fascist links the Orange Order have.
But I'd like the irish indymedia readers and contributors to reflect on the society we wish create throughout Europe in the XX century. Where tolerance goes beyond ordering the odd tray of curry chips. Where migrants are welcomed and the fascists on both sides green and orange who forever call play the kettle and pot black game are told together to "fuck off".

Our history is one of terror. We have been subject to more terror of internal origin than almost all (but not all) other European peoples. However, we are the sole people who have suffered partition and seen sectarianism raised to a near art form of double think.

RSF are fascist. They are also a tiny minority interest. When they announce plans to "lay wreaths" outside of their usual baggage and geographical area - Bodenstown &c.., we all ought pay attention.
Not only for the global spin their team will put upon it. "a million Irish republicans gathered to mark the loyalist bombings of Dublin". RSF have never helped the Irish people(s) move to peace, sustainable political progress, cohabitation, or assume an indentity on the world state as a people who have the terror dealt unto them.

I hope that all in Dublin who object to the Orange Order's record of sectarianism, covert collusion, triumphalism & links to bloody murder, will not stoop so low in their expression of those objection to give RSF oxygen, for in truth their record of sectarianism, covert collusion, triumphalism & links to bloody murder are as long. The Orange order's vision of the British or Protestant identity sucks as much as the vision of celtic republic and peace which comes dripping slow as hateful blood pushed by less than a thousand individuals who speak all to often in your name and who lets be honest are not Sinn Fein

Love Ireland.
Be it Dublin, Leinster, Munster, Connaught, Ulster or the Diasporia

= Say Fuck off to Bombers & Bigots.