Anti-War Banner at Mc Na Mara's Castle, Co Clare

by Anthony Thu Oct 02, 2003 05:08

The castle is indeed a very effective place to do a banner drop. It was a pity the previous one didn't last as long.

I wonder if the large team of cops and friends left the (modified) CIRA slogan seeing as there were so many of them and they were so well equipped. If they did, it'd be like sending out a message that "CIRA is OK; grafitti is OK but anti-military banners are not".

by Lone gunman Thu Oct 02, 2003 13:02

Yeah right!!How do you know they were marines??where they sitting in the Hurlers in full dress uniform,or combats?Where they singing the Halls of Montemenza[US marine anthem] in the Meelick tavern? MAYBE they were anti war types dressed up in US surplus army uniforms trying to pretend to be marines to discredit the real us army? Have heard this bullshit,that they were driving Humvees around Limerick & Shannon. Righhhhttt!
Got news for you! No US personel are allowed outside the duty free zone,for the simple reason they are in transit and they are too worried that they might associate with anti war haires,and have a slight difference of opinion.Second, no one is going to unlimber military equipment from an aircraft in a neutral country to drive to a pub!Unless they want to spend the rest of their military career in the brig[military jail].
Does help to know abit about the people,or entity you are activting against.Publishing rumours and shite makes you only look a bigger idiot than you already are.

by Joe Thu Oct 02, 2003 13:05

In fact 'Lone gunman' I believe even the government had admitted that in cases where planes need to be repaired or fog or something delays onward flight to the next destination the troops in transit DO leave the airport and are put up in nearby hotels. Just as well for them, I'd hate to be stuck in the airport.

by some day---grrrrrrr! Thu Oct 02, 2003 14:20

the last Japanese soldier to formally end WW2 was airlifted from a Pacific island in 1968.
from 1944 to 1968 he was a long gunman.
24 years he patrolled his beach and defended the Japanese empire, it is worth commenting that when he was taken off the island, he still had several rounds of unused ammunition, and a tin of uneaten military rations.

by BlackPope Thu Oct 02, 2003 15:46

You still pretend Ireland is a neutral country?

Does your undoubtedly expert opinion perhaps conflict slightly with that of the Judge in the recent 'Horgan v Irish Republic et al' case before the High Court?

Perhaps you will write to the Judge and correct his erroneous views?

Schalom, BlackPope


*Start Excerpt from 'Horgan' case*

JUSTICE KEARNS:
If you take the case issue by issue on the issue of neutrality and international law, was not the plaintiff successful despite the defendant's best efforts in establishing to the court's satisfaction at least that there is a rule of customary international law that a neutral State does not allow its territory to be used for the movement of substantial numbers of troops and munitions?

MR. O'DONNELL: (defence for the State)
Yes, my Lord, I fully accept that, but, firstly, it is not normally the case that if the plaintiff succeeds on only one issue, he will still recover all his costs, because the event follows, and the fact that he ...(INTERJECTION).

JUSTICE KEARNS:
Insofar as the issues were concerned, in one sense they boiled down to simple -- well, I would not call them simple questions, decisions on Articles 28 and 29, but as part of the considerations which had to be canvassed as part of the hearing were issues revolving around the identification of a principle of international law, which Mr. Horgan contended established that a neutral country cannot allow movement of substantial armed troops and munitions through its territory by way of assisting one belligerent State only. He contended, and the court accepted, that in international law there is such a principle. In that respect, he was successful in reaching that point.

*End Excerpt* (Justice Kearns awarded Horgan 50% of his costs in bringing this action against the State)

by nice one Thu Oct 02, 2003 20:15

but they didnt make a good job of removing it as part of the banner still remains attached to the castle and the rest on the ground.question is that not co clare?then why did the limerick crew come out?

by Fintan Lane Thu Oct 02, 2003 21:27

Well done to everybody involved! Great idea!!

by Lone gunman Thu Oct 02, 2003 23:50

The last Japanese to surrender was in Okinawa in 1974 by the name of Hiroo Onoida.He now lives in the USA funnilly enough! Got to admire the mans dedication to duty though.So thanks for the backhanded compliment :)

As for the US personel staying in hotels,etc.Very doubtful as it is too much of a security risk,and it is still easy enough to fly in a replacement aircraft from Mildenhall.Which is what incidently Shannon is.A spillover field for Miildenhall.I doubt HIGHLY that the GIs will be allowed out for a nite on the town in Limerick or Shannon somhow.Just as bad as being stuck in the airport IMO.

Black Pope,
I couldn't give a flying F*&K wether this rock is neutral or not.It never has been.It had a selective neutrality in the last war,and ever since to both Superpowers.As far as I am concerned this "we are neutral" arguement from both sides of the political spectrum is about as effective as an ostrich sticking it's head in the sand,[and leaving its arse exposed for a good kick]. To be neutral you have to have an effective army,airforce and defence plan and be able to take on all comers,[like the Swiss,or Finns]. However we don't have anything of the sort,defence plan,army [more geared to deal with internal uprisings BTW],airFARCE, more like a TD flying ferry service,and a navy that is a costal patrol force bothering Spanish fishermen.
Sooo unless you folk would like to volenteer or be drafted into the military,[or social services like they do with concientious objectors in Germany,]or spend a fortune in building up our defence forces in manpower or equipment.We got to live with what is happening.Bitch and moan as much as you like about Shannon,but it changes diddley squat.We are neutral and defenceless.Please dont go on about passive resistance etc.The nasty Nazi folk of the last centuary sorted that out pretty quick.They simply HUNG or SHOT everyone who was found in passive demonstrations.Worked well too. Hmm I always wonderd if WW3 was to happen what Irelands defence was going to be against fallout?Does fallout respect neutrality?

by An Púca Fri Oct 03, 2003 02:40

The U.S. marines have been outside the airport on a number of occasions especially during the War in Afghinistan. Anytime they got delayed in the airport overnight they were usually put up in a hotel near the Limerick border (which I dont want to name)and could be found sitting at the bar in a local pub on the Ennis road in full D.P.M. combat gear.I know this is true because I found myself sitting within feet of them a few times.These days they are a little more cautious about swanning around in full militaria regalia but you can still pick them out.

The fact that the Gardaí are so persistent in going to great lenghts and expense to remove such banners shows just how much potential they have. If the Gardaí had decided to ignore it completely I would have been a little insulted!!!

by An Púca Fri Oct 03, 2003 02:50

The Ennis road area (including parts of Clare) is in the Mayorstone Garda district of Limerick. Mayorstone Gardaí also removed the first banner.

by Lone gunman Fri Oct 03, 2003 12:56

I will name two hotels on the clare /limerick border. Two mile inn or the Radison Limerick Inn. funnily enough I know some staff there and they have NEVER heard or seen of Marines in DPM in the hotel. [BTW it is Woodland cammo and hardly the right kit for Iraq.More like chocolate chip desert cammo.]

by conor cregan Fri Oct 03, 2003 18:43

service men and women have been staying in all local hotels around the limerick and clare area.this is a fact and has been well documented in both irish and american press.during the peace camp it was exposed as against the constution as foreign troops can not be in uniform on irish soil.after this troops were being bused in to the airport in civies and changing in terminal building(this has been documented on indymedia.)
your views and comments are great tools antiwar posts on this news wire,your comments are always exposed as lies and you have amitted that you are only trying to wind people up.Dont leave us as you make it too easy.

by Lone gunman Fri Oct 03, 2003 22:01

If that is the case,no doubt you can prove with some pics,articles or somthing as to where or when they were staying. Pucha was too chicken to mention two hotels on the Clare/limerick border,and as I said no one had ever heard or seen these marines there.I mean it would have been a great propaganda coup for the anti war side?Why is it only coming up now?Are you so despersate to belive your own propaganda?Give us a quote or a reference to some US paper or Irish paper.I have asked in the Meelick tavern has anyone seen any US marines or had any groups of fit young men with American accents in the last year,in groups of five or more. Nope,actually a shortage of US tourists anyway.As for your assertion that somthing was documented truthfully on Indymedia,I would belive in fairy tales quicker,than anything posted here.Especially by a militant anti American,leftist group.

I have never said I am winding up anyone.It is sad gits like you who think lie that. PROVE somwhere I have been lying.Otherwise I'm am sure a village is missing its idiot somwhere.I suggest you apply for the job.

by An Puca Fri Oct 03, 2003 23:30

Never mind the Tavern Lone Gunman (The marines generally dont make it past Patsy's Cross!) try coming into Thadys and asking the same question. I didnt want to name the hotels in case they took offence but any how you have done that for me. So I might as well state again I have seen them in Thady O Neills on two occasions. Infact ill be over there tonight come on over id be only too happy to debate the ins and outs of the issue with you.

Is míse
An Púca.

by troll-eater Sat Oct 04, 2003 15:08

have you considered that the hostelry owners may have mistaken a lone goneman for a military policeman and not wanted to get the poor aul yankee boys into more trouble than they were already facing what with having to go an die in the desert and all. sure why would they want to tell some nosey strange(r) that the troops took a few pints when they were not supposed to.

when you get a chance to stop tearing around the country looking to contain outbreaks of subversive truth telling, maybe you'll go and check ye'r archives for the clare champion, bout 10 or 11 months ago, before this whole yankee troops in east clare scandal was more than just a local issue, there were a few articles about coachloads of troops (originally in, then out of desert fatigues) being taken to the clare inn (oops there i go naming hotels) and what a great boost this was in times of declining tourist numbers. there was also some concern at the fact that these self same pseudo-tourists were denied the right to go and have an aul pint which tended to greatly reduce their rich yankee replacement value.

anyhows, when your done with your research I'm sure you'll inform us all of your findings (unless a better trolling op comes along first or you're rotated out of the imc.ie spoiling roster)

by Lone gunman Sat Oct 04, 2003 20:30

Since when is Thadys on the Clare Limerick border?
It is at least six plus miles to the Limerick line.How do you recognise them?Oh yes...because they have American accents and crewcuts?That makes them Marines?Righhhhttt!Have you ever considerd trying to engage one in conversation and find out some worthwhile info as to who,what ,when?
Oh Yes the famous Clare champion post. That is the biggest laugh around here .It was a piece of propaganda that was spread around by Sinn Fein in shannon[which did them no favours] about the US forces being around the pubs and hotels.A reporter was apprently gulliable enough to belive it verbatim and refused to do some proper investigation,which he should have and the story was thussly born.As well as some hoteliers comments that in the faling tourist market,that busloads of Army personel would be most welcome.[Uncle Sam does pay his bills promptly and well.]
More likely it was a flite crew who stayed overnite.Which under"neutrality" they are allowed to do for 24 hours.Inc any aircraft is entitled to stay in"neutral" Ireland for the same time period or it can be impounded by the govt.This is international law BTW.Thussly I cant see any aircraft staying here over 24 hours.Apart from those vandalised by"peace activists"
As for troll eaters comments;
No I doubt that even the pub owners around here would know who the MPs are.Or would they care less.Well actually in Marines case it is SP[shore patrol].And I doubt that Marines fresh off a flite from the US are going to know the most obscure pubs in Clare.[Meelick is off the beaten track.]Has it not dawned on anyone here that there is a hotel across from the airport and has no one travelled thru Shannon airport late at nite or early morning. Well maybe not,as no doubt most posters here are banned from the airport.The bar is open almost 24/7 in the duty free area.It is DEFINATELY OPEN when the carriers pass thru.They make a killing on the troops. So why would anyone allow their troops out and off into the boonies of Mickland to find a bar?
But so what? They are spending money here,and in the end who gives a fuck for neutrality[a non existant delusional concept in Ireland which is used as a stalking horse by militant anti American groups] when your bills and mortage is due?

by Conor Sat Oct 04, 2003 20:43

Ive been watching your comments for several days noe Lone Gunman and I am delighted to find at least one person who can look at things as they really are and not be blinded by the extreme left and their constant anti americanism which they use to paint anyone who disagrees with them as imperialist lapdogs of the Bush 'junta'. Also you are one of only very few people that realise that neutrality has been a dead letter since the beginning of the cold war and has no meaning in todays world. Hear hear!!

by An Púca Sat Oct 04, 2003 22:36

Lone gunman once again you are completely off the mark

"Since when is Thadys on the Clare Limerick border? Its at least six plus miles to the Limerick line."

Thadys (Thady O Neills)is the first pub on the Ennis road when you cross into the Clare side of the border and is at most 1000 meters from lansdown Bridge (The border) Infact it is adjoined to the Two mile inn which you, in a previous post, are only too happy to admit is near the border.

Face it, once again you are incorrect and can be proven so. In your own words "Publishing rumours and shite makes you only look a bigger idiot than you already are."

Also Meelick isnt off the beaten track the dual carriageway runs right through it. So please face facts the U,S. marines do venture outside the airport, they have been seen, and are often put up in local hotels.

Ill finish it there I know im right (seeing is believeing!!!)And I grow tiresome of your narrow minded regressive attitude. Besides some of us have better things to do all day than slag people off on Indymedia.

Why do people with closed minds always have open mouths?

Is míse
An Púca

by semi-literate Sun Oct 05, 2003 01:42

How do we recognise Americans? By their use of 'thusly'(note the single 's') and the fact that no Irish person would use the word anyway; be it spelt correctly or incorrectly. The use of General American English spelling is also an indicator
As you appear to have a lot of time on your hands Lone Gunman I would suggest that you acquire a spelling primer and learn to spell some of the more common English words. You might begin with 'definitely', 'apparently' and 'gullible.
When you have mastered English spelling you might then consider writing a guide to the hotels and pubs of the Clare/Limerick region as you appear to have already done quite an amount of research on them.

by lone Gunman Sun Oct 05, 2003 21:44

Jus fower you.I didnut gow to Kolledge,unlike you fancc Dublin fower type liberul fower types.you are a sad pendantuc dipshit who canwt come up with a proper arguement to counter and belives youwer owne propaganda.So go away,grow and get a real life and an opinion.

Pucha You are correct Thadys is close to the border.My mistake,I was thinking of Fibbers,or the Dairy as I belive it nowadays. But sorry you are wrong about Meelick.The Meelick Tavern is nowhere near the dual carrigeway.Actually it is six plus miles down some narrow backroads,to New Meelick,and you would really need to know where it is. Again I doubt that the US forces would be going there as claimed before.Unless it is serving one Hell of a pint of Guiness!
You are right Seeing is beliving.I'll belive it when I see it personally or somone publishes a pic or some verifiable information IE a who, what regiment, where going or how.I'm sure some of you all so brilliant anti American types could elict that info no problem.
I think the facts here are;you have tried some propaganda,which hasn't fooled anyone.You can't handle the fact that some people dont swallow your BS line. You have furnished NO checkable proof whatsoever.Apart from a planted story in the C Champion.Your anti Shannon protest is now a sham of what it was and could have been.
70% of Irish people dont care wether the US uses Shannon
[independant newspaper survery june 03].
You are just a bunch of fanatical people for whatever reason have a chip on both shoulders about America.Ok, it is the worst country.Apart from all the rest.
A fanatic ; somone who can see a differing opinion on a subject.So long as it is complete agreement with his opinion and belif.Have a look in the mirror.