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category tyrone | sci-tech | news report author Wednesday August 27, 2003 00:38author by Nestaauthor address www.van.org.uk/dpt/ Report this post to the editors

Vaccination assault on the human species, reveals that childhood immunisation doesn't work, with already immunised babies/children still contracting childhood diseases. Far from stamping out disease, injecting very young babies with live virus germs, in order to incur an immune recognition response, directly into their bloodstream, bypassing our normal human body's immune system, actually damages a babies immune system, sometimes irrepairably.

It turns out childhood immunisation programs are just another money spinning scam, dreamt up by our ever caring multinational pharmacutical giants, in order to boost their profits, selling useless, and potentially damaging vaccines.
So before you take your precious, fragile newborn baby to be injected with live virus organisms, bypassing the human bodies natural immune system, do some research, you could save your childs life, and safeguard their health for their future. Afterall, who is left to look after a vaccine damaged child, not the multinational pharmacutical companies, or the NHS, but parents.

Related Link: http://www.truthcampaign.ukf.net/articles/health/vaccination/html
author by correctionpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 00:42author address author phone Report this post to the editors


Related Link: http://www.van.org.uk/dpt/
author by R Isiblepublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 01:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

"bypassing our normal human body's immune system"?

Vaccines work by directly stimulating the immune system with either a dead virus or with a live-attenuated virus. There are small numbers of cases (as with any medicine or food or whatever) of people that will become ill or die. The trick is to balance out the risk of not having treatments/drugs/supplements that help most people versus the number of expected deaths/illnesses that will occur in the population.

On a related note it looks like the USA doesn't have sufficient smallpox-vaccine stocks to stave off an terrorist attack and also that some of the vaccines are useful for only up to 5 - 10 years:

Related Link: http://www.nature.com/nsu/030818/030818-5.html
author by R Isiblepublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 01:21author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and I have to say that the stuff about vaccination adding up to "666" really sets the tone. However I'll deal with the following section:

"The Fundamental Flaws
Vaccination rests on several self-evident myths:

1. That Edward Jenner's vaccine saved Britain and the world from smallpox
False and diametrically opposed to reality; the vaccine caused countless deaths and illnesses for the vaccinated and massive constitutional problems for successive generations."

The vaccine may have caused deaths, but I doubt that they're countless and anyway the important question is how many deaths/illnesses would have occurred without the vaccine? Unless you're able to show that the cure is worse than the disease then it's not reasonable to opt for the disease.

" 2. That germs cause disease
False; lack of immunity causes disease."

Go look up definitions of causation and specifically look for Koch's Postulates. Using that definition I'll argue that germs cause disease -- if you don't agree with Koch's Postulates for identifying the causative agent then this discussion can go nowhere.

" 3. That vaccines confer immunity
False; immunity is a whole body phenomenon which cannot be conferred by subcutaneous injection."

Immunity to specific antigens has been demonstrated many times. This point (#3) has been repeatedly disproved.

" 4. That vaccines were responsible for the declines of the infectious diseases
False; the graphs show clearly that no beneficial effect from vaccination was ever evident."

The graphs are more complicated to interpret: they lack error-bars and long time sequences and more importantly suffer from the problem that they need to show the difference in death-rates between populations that had been vaccinated and populations that hadn't. Further, there are the effects of improved sanitation conflated with the introduction of vaccination (esp. in the polio and diptheria cases).

" 5. That vaccines are safe
False; vaccination has clearly been shown to be far and away the greatest health-destroyer of all."

No ones claims that vaccines are safe. The claim is that fewer people will die if we all take them.

" 6. That conditions such as measles, whooping cough, etc are dangerous and need to be ‘wiped out’
False; it would be impossible for any child in reasonable health to be damaged or killed by these conditions. These illnesses have always been known as health-beneficial, due to the cleansing of inherited and acquired disease tendencies and toxins, and due to enhanced immune-system function."

Ah, the cleansing of inherited and acquired disease tendencies ... don't you mean the genetic cleansing of children with inhereited disease tendencies? Is smallpox also a "health-beneficial" illness?

What a nasty crock of rubbish.

author by Humanoidpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 01:56author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Oh dear, we could be entering David Icke territory here

author by >>>>>> NOT seaininpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 09:40author address author phone Report this post to the editors

'Vaccination assault on the human species'

seainin has nothing to worry about then. Does anyone know what species he is?

author by pranksterpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 09:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I have not had my child vaccinated and she has never been sick yet a day in her four year life, all i'm worried about is her getting polio off somekid whos shedding it all over the gaff after being vaccinated. I've met kids whose parents swear it was the MMR vaccine that caused their autism. Thats the most controversial innit? Some vaccines have helped mankind, smallpox being one, but whats the point in having a vaccine for chickenpox for instance? My kid had it when she was less than 6 months old, wasn't 'sick' with it but has one teenie tiny pock mark under her hair somewhere. These mass vaccinations are a bit dodgy, don't agree with the original poster, as I do have some faith in medical science, but there is definitely a large degree of scarmongering on the part of the pharmacorps. For instance, the whole deal with measles, what is it? They now say, it can lead to brain damage(maybe thats what happened to me?) and infertility(nope) and I've only really started hearing about this quite recently, but has anyone got stats for the percentage of a population that would be damaged by a naturally occuring measles outbreak vs. how many are affected by mass immunisations. They just keep trying to scare us into buying into all this stuff. Its very difficult to know what to do as a parent, whats right for your kid, with all the scary stuff they go on with, but as for mine own, never had any antibiotics, or immunisations, and she is strong as a wee horse.

author by pranksterpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:18author address author phone Report this post to the editors

That stuff like this doesn't help an already apprehensive parent. One side is saying 'do it or they'll get the disease and die' and the other is saying ' don't do it or they'll be fucked by the consequences', thats the big problem, theres very little in between. I believe that vaccs for things like polio, diptheria and others are worthwhile, but not for wee tiny babies, wait til they're a bit stronger, more able for it. All GPs seem to have some sort of contract with the drugs companies where they all support the use of vaccs in return for something, I dunno, I'd like to hear from a suitably qualified person with no agenda I suppose. But sites like this only makes things worse. Sheesh, I don't know, I'm going to have a fag, any vaccinations for that??

author by Gaillimhedpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:35author address author phone Report this post to the editors

First of all.. the original post is twat.
But anyway.
Immunistation rarely uses live virus, sometimes attenuated virus, but mostly some form of antigen, ie virus protein -which primes your immune system to react to that protein the next time it meets it. Immunisations work with your immune system and make it stronger.
Side effects do occur, some immunistaions are better than others, some have more side effects than others, some have more efficacy but are more expensive etc, just like any other product, whats going on is we are being pumped full of cheap and badly researched NEW immunisations, because they generate more PROFIT.
If it wasnt for immunisations i guarantee you the child mortality would be much higher. But it is possible to have safer immunisations and better vaccination strategies ... the major problem is the profit orientated approach of the healthcre industry, its another case of profits before people and it is a particularly potent and dangerous example.

author by kokomeropublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:43author address author phone Report this post to the editors

I thought we had grown out of the age of having our lives dictated by shamen, but no. Ignoring the benefits of vaccination, and relying on drugs to treat the symtoms rather than using vaccinations to attack the cause is fatally flawed, and is as retrograde and idiotic as creationism.

Anybody who has been awake for the past few years will not have failed to notice the cluster outbreaks of Menningitis.

In my opinion this is a direct result of the misinformed and socially irresponsible not vaccinating their children (I have vaccinated all of mine and am prepared to face the consequences for the benefit of my co-citizens).

The costs of non-vaccination are much higher than of vaccination as a look back into history as recently as the discovery of penicillin in 1928 by Alexander Fleming in 1928 shows, and these cluster outbreaks are merely a foretaste of what is to come unless people are educated.

A glimpse of a future without vaccination is the reemergence of TB in Russia which is spreading worldwide among the disadvantaged.

Epidemic of Tuberculosis – A Global Threat

Two out of every three premature deaths in low-income countries are the result of an infectious disease or inadequate maternal or neonatal care – with tuberculosis (TB) one of the major causes.

The enormous infectious disease burden – now mostly avoided in wealthy countries – is a significant obstacle in preventing low-income countries from escaping abject poverty. Infectious diseases are also a powerful force in pushing self-sufficient families into destitution and dependency. A recent study indicates that one TB case alone can lead to 20-30% loss of household income in developing countries. The world will not be able to achieve the poverty reduction targets set by the G8 for the year 2015 if it does not make a renewed effort to tackle tuberculosis and the other major high-burden diseases such as malaria, diarrhoeal diseases, pneumonia, AIDS, measles and maternal mortality.

We have the life-saving drugs to cure TB, and the cost-effective strategy for their use. By using the DOTS strategy fully, most of the 2 million tuberculosis or tuberculosis and AIDS deaths that occur each year could be prevented. It is hopeful to note that the number of countries adopting the DOTS strategy has increased from 10 in 1991 to 110 by 1997, and that the cost of TB drugs has come down from $40-$60 per patient to $10-$20 during this time. WHO is very appreciative of the contribution made by the World Bank and bilateral donors – some of whom are around this table – to work with WHO to achieve this progress.

The fact remains however that today only 20 percent of the world’s TB patients are being treated through the DOTS strategy. And though the cost of TB drugs has decreased, seventy percent of DOTS implementation costs are still related to the purchase of TB drugs. We know that inability to purchase TB drugs is a major obstacle to DOTS expansion for NGOs and the world’s poorest countries. The drugs for DOTS are not rolling off the production lines and making it into countries in quantities necessary to accomplish what is now technically and operationally possible.

So, now is the time to go to scale with the DOTS strategy. WHO and its partners in the Stop TB Initiative, are actively looking for the best way to remove the obstacles created by the lack of anti-tuberculosis drugs, and we hope to be able to suggest how to concretely accomplish this at the ministerial-level conference on TB and Sustainable Development in Amsterdam next March.

It is not acceptable that we cannot make sufficient supplies of anti-TB drugs available in a world where the usefulness of DOTS is well recognized, and where a critical mass of health workers have been trained to use DOTS effectively. At the same time the world has also been forced to take on the new challenge of curing multi-drug resistant TB (MDR-TB), as so clearly described in the Harvard report. WHO is deeply appreciative that George Soros and the Open Society Institute, Harvard University, and the many other partners here today are rising to meet the challenge of MDR-TB. The work now underway that will lead to the development of the DOTS Plus strategy will provide us with much better ways of managing MDR-TB in hospitals in countries such as the former USSR, the Dominican Republic, and parts of China and India.

The emergence of multi-drug resistant tuberculosis around the world could threaten TB control using the DOTS strategy. Multi-drug resistant TB is clearly contagious, and it is associated with high rates of treatment failure. MDR-TB is the result of failure to use the cost-effective DOTS strategy, while state-of-the-art treatment of MDR-TB is prohibitively expensive. We therefore must recognize the vicious circle of bad TB treatment and MDR-TB. We must place it squarely at the centre of our thinking about controlling TB. Bad TB control programmes can create more new cases of MDR-TB faster than DOTS Plus strategies will be able to cure them.

We cannot afford NOT to remove the obstacles to rapid expansion of DOTS. If we fail, efforts to cure MDR-TB cases will be an endless task making merely a cosmetic impact on the global burden of TB. It is equally tragic when an African woman cannot afford the $20 drugs to cure her non-resistant TB as it is when a Russian prisoner will perish because $2,000 is not available for his anti-MDR-TB drugs. In all instances, ensuring low price, high quality and widespread availability of anti-TB drugs is one of our most important challenges.

As increasing amounts of funds are devoted to containing MDR-TB in a few "hot spots" around the world, we must ensure that resources are not siphoned away from implementing and expanding DOTS world-wide. A distorted approach to TB funding may cause confusion in priorities at the country level. Securing second line drugs for individual MDR-TB patients is important, and so is strengthening basic TB control, continued surveillance of MDR-TB, and continued research and development on new anti-tuberculosis drugs. Only a balanced approach can prevent a global MDR-TB epidemic in a cost-efficient way while preventing the greatest number of deaths.

In summary, the TB epidemic today is actually several different epidemics throughout the world. There are hot spots of MDR-TB where MDR-TB levels are above 5%. These include several countries of the former USSR, but also the Dominican Republic and Cote d’Ivoire, and the areas in these countries where MDR-TB has reached these levels must be considered as international public health emergencies. At the same time, levels of resistance in the majority of countries are much lower, and rapid expansion of DOTS can prevent these levels from rising. This is the basic thinking of the STOP TB partners as they work on the concrete solution to combat TB globally.

Related Link: http://www.who.int/director-general/speeches/1999/english/19991028_TB_open_society.html
author by Gaillimhedpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 10:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Actually prankster has hit on a very good point about Our GP's and other medical proffessionals, just look at all the free crap on his desk the next time you visit a physician and find hes trying to push some new drug on you, biros and post-it notes advertising the new wonder drug. Little gifts from his friendly drug rep, but it doesnt end there. Your GP, surgeon, specialist all spend a significant portion of time being wined, dined, brought out for golf and given free flights and junkets to medical conferences ..all paid for by the drug company. Unable to invest the superhuman effort required to keep up with the current scientific and medical literature the Physician relies on the pharma-corp rep, who will tell him whats new, whats good, and what will earn him a new set of golf clubs if he can shift a thousand units.
its a conflict of interest.

author by kokomeropublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:25author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Bad and all as Doctors are (I have some in the family) the alternative of having people treat themselves undersupervised using medecines bought via the web is an appaling prospect from the point of view of disease control.

author by they know betterpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:47author address author phone Report this post to the editors

My friend is a health visitor, employed by the NHS, she hasn't had her kids vaccinated, none of her kids have had any childhood vaccines and they are perfectly healthy.

Our own natural bodies immune response is strong enough to deal with any childhood illness, be it, measles, mumps, or diptheria.

Bypassing a child's natural immune response system, by injecting live virus into their bloodstream, is child abuse and is tantamount to assault on a defenceless baby. The child's immature bodily defence system is overloaded by the virus's backdoor entry into the child's bloodsystem.

Smallpox which was non existant in Papua new Guinea, was introduced into the population through vaccination programs and its incidence soared amongst both the unvaccinated and the vaccinated population. Those unvaccinated caught it off, the infectious vaccinated population.

If you look at warning information with vaccines, they warn you not to have the vaccine if your immune system is weak, through illness, such as flu, and once vaccinated to keep away from people who are taking steroids or whose immune system is weak through chemotherapy etc because once vaccinated you become infectious with the live virus injected into your blood stream. So people on steroids or chemotherapy can catch the disease you've been vaccinated against from you.

This would explain the increase in TB in the population, as those whose immune system is weakend through disease such as those with HIV, catch the virus off the mass vaccinated population.

Both my children were vaccinated, one was brain damaged due to the whooping cough vaccine, and my other child, health deteriorated dangerously after recieving the recently introduced meningitis C vaccine.

There has not been an incidence of tetanus since the second world war.

author by common sense vs voodoo pharmacutical multinationalspublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 11:56author address www.truthcampaign.ukf.net/articles/health/vaccination.htmlauthor phone Report this post to the editors

The tetanus vaccine is derived from horse genetic material, or horse's antibodies, injecting horse genetic material into a human bloodstream, seems bizarre and nonsensical.

The recent introduction of flu vaccines, where flu virus is injected into human blood stream, once in the blood stream the virus genetic material combines with human body cells, mutating genetically.

This would explain the sudden emergence of deadly SARS virus, as the injected flu vaccine, mutates and combines with our own body cells, to become, a superflu virus. Thus those who've been vaccinated against numerous flu virus's, infect the non vaccinated population causing the emergence of SARS.

author by Gaillimhedpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 13:55author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Mr 'common sense Vs voodoo etc..', your grasp of the science of the viral lifecycle is astonishingly sensationalist, as is your theory on the true nature of SARS. now I must agree that there is something fishy about SARS, but there is no connection between SARS cases and the administration of flu vaccine. In fact SARS is not even a disease, but a syndrome, ie a collection of difficult to define symptoms of disparate cause, lumped together for the convenience of having a name to refer to in diagnosis. Just think about it..Severe Acute, Theres a meaningless tautology for you, Respiratory Syndrome...the only definite thing abot SARS was that it was 'respiratory' and it had not a single unique symptom or diagnostic criterion.
Back to your sensationalist non-scientific quackery, horse antibodies are not genetic material, antibodies are Immunoglobulin proteins, secreted by cells: proteins, NOT DNA.
Furthermore, virus genetic material does NOT "combine with human body cells, mutating genetically".
In the case of FLU's 'mutating' to become Super flus...what is occuring is the occasional and completely natural evolution of viral strains, The actual spread and infection is compounded of course by human conditions. For instance close contact between man and intensively reared poultry in Asia can result in the crossover of an avian virus into the human population. The effect is similar to smallpox in s.american indians, ie the new host population is immuno-naive and therefore the particular virus strain, which is fairly stable in avian populations (where a certain degree of symbiosis has developped) runs riot in human populations.

author by Mr Angrypublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 16:27author address author phone Report this post to the editors

".. children have natural defenses against measels"

Children die/get brain damaged from measels - this anti-immunisation rant is pathetic dangerous and wrong. A little knowledge and a public forum is a dangerous thing.

author by Irish Americanpublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 16:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Too bad it'll be the children of these nitwits who will suffer. Polio, Tetanus, etc.

The nitwits themselves already having been vaccinated when they were children, of course.

author by Ali la Pointe - rational debate pleasepublication date Wed Aug 27, 2003 17:19author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Your efforts are appreciated

author by kaylapublication date Fri Feb 18, 2005 20:54author address author phone Report this post to the editors

Just so you know, the only reason your child has not gotten sick from the many childhood diseases that we vaccinate for is that all the other children around her have been vaccinated. If all parents were like you then childhood epidemics such as deadly polio, and whooping cough would come back full force. I agree that some such as chickenpox may not be that necessary but many people forget conditions only 50-60 years ago where many children did die from these diseases that are now close to nonexistent. This is a direct result of vaccination. Of course there are side effects to everything but in this case those far outweight the risks.

Oh and I think whoever started this post should look up some actual facts before making any conclusions

author by jolenepublication date Mon Aug 15, 2005 02:10author email jools at kol dot co dot nzauthor address author phone Report this post to the editors

I would just like to say that most of the old virus's and diseases such as polio and smallpox have been wiped out as a result of better healthier living conditions and not as a result of vaccination, although the pharmacutical companies would like everyone to believe otherwise. my sons immunity has been forever damaged since immunisation, he now has little or no immunity and nearly died as a direct result of immunisation. i reasearched vaccination and talked to various heath proffessionals, what i found disgusted me. the vaccinations we are offered for ourselves and our children have the possibility of carrying diseases that we in turn may catch or be forever damaged by, and the drug companys will always have the so called cure. A very clever way of forever making money from the sick, because they are the ones creating the very diseases that they claim they have the cures for. unforntuantly we as a society are too easily fooled. Think on this: our elderly get the yearly flu shot, which contains aluminum... more and more of our elderly are suffering from alzhiemers.. which aluminum is a known cause of. Babies are given heb b at 6weeks of age, only the children are of heb b mothers are at risk.. it is a sexually transmitted or needle given disease only. think on it.

author by M Cottonpublication date Tue Dec 19, 2006 15:07author address author phone Report this post to the editors

" The most definitive and largest study of vaccines to date, conducted by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the highest American government body on infectious diseases, was quietly announced to a handful of scientists with no publicity or press releses at a meeting of the Advisory Commission on Chiildhood Vaccines in Washington. The low key presentation in a small seminar in September 1994 in Washington DC was at odds with the spectacular nature of the conclusions: namely, that child's risk of seizure triples within days of receiving either the MMR or the DPT vaccines.

Using database technology, the CDC monitored the progress of 500,000 children across the US, tapping into computerized records of Health Maintenance Organizations and public insurance shcemes such as Kaiser Permanente in California. In this way, the CDC was able to pull together virtually every piece of research and data on adverse reactions to the two triple vaccines. They identified 34 major side-effects to the jabs, ranging from asthma, blood disorders, infectious diseases and diabetes to neuroligical disorders, including meningitis, polio and hearing loss.

But it was the incidence of seizure that leaped off the graph, according to Dr Anthony Morris, who attended the meeting. The rate of seizure increased three times above the norm within the first day of a child receiving the DPT shot, and the rate rose 2.7 times within four to seven days of a child being given the MMR shot, increasing to 3.3 times within eight to 14 days.

The effects of the DPT shot were immediate, causing the incidence of seizures to increase three times the normal within 24 hours of the jab being given but then falling off raidly to just 0.06 times the normal rate after the first day. The MMR vaccine, however, had a far slower effect, only reaching its most dangerous period eight to 14 days after the jab was administered.

The CDC presentation concluded:

"Seizures are associated with several vaccines, ignoring possible confounding via simultaneous administration...Interest, via desire to minimize injections and simplify vaccinations schedules, in synergistic effects among antigens when combined or simultaneously adminstered"

Although the Public Health Laboratory Service dismissed claims about the CDC findings as 'nonsense' during a television programme, the findings of the study they conducted themselves were strikingly similar. The PHLS Statistic Unit found that the MMR jab increased seizure risk three times, while the DPT also increased seizure risk threefold, usually three days after the dose was given. The peak increase rate of seizures and meningitis due to the Urabe strain of the mumps portion of the MMR vaccine usually occurred between 15 and 35 days afterwards."

My grandson had his first DPT shot and oral polio at his two-month well-baby checkup. After the shot he started crying. The doctor gave my daughter Pediacare (a mild infant anlagesic) but it did not stop the high-pitched screaming. When the baby's temperature went to 98, the nurse told her to feed the baby. My grandson began projectile vomiting and continued the high-pitched crying. The nurse informed my daughter this was normal. The doctor told her to give my grandson more Pediacare and, hoefully, it would make him drowsy. At 3 am they both went to sleep. At 7 am my daughter awoke and found my grandson witha purple colour on one side of his face, clenched fists, blood coming from his nose and mouth and no breathing. He was dead within 21 hours of his DPT shot.

(A gullible and emotional grandparent speaks)

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