fight on beach

by sir Anthony O Mon Aug 11, 2003 21:01

I think it was slogans, still its an interesting piece of information maybe folk out there are absorbing anarchist ideas?

by the wireless head. Mon Aug 11, 2003 21:34

attributes a senior Garda as saying the scuffle is not be considered a riot, thus I suppose nor was it any type of confrontation between politicised youth and Gardaí acting in defence of the status quo.
It seems more like hot weather and bad tempers and perhaps it also acts as a distraction to something more important that happened today in Ireland?

by mr. stock phrases Mon Aug 11, 2003 22:10

Excellent, nothing like a spot of alcöhoö-fuelled fisticuffs to liven up a sleepy afternoon on the beach ...

by cool idea! Mon Aug 11, 2003 22:47

and blows were exchanged too....

by .. Mon Aug 11, 2003 22:48

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by matt Tue Aug 12, 2003 09:47 mattt at oceanfree dot net

So some of you reckon that a load of drunken scum fighting on the beach and ruining peoples afternoon in the sun is proof that they are "absaorbing anarchist ideas" ????!!!! Grow up. Or better still, take your "ideas" out on the streets among the joyriders and muggers and rapists and see how far you get. Might sully your picture of the proletariat I reckon.

by Brian Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:42

Obviously what occured at this "party" was an outburst of violence by a group of people that some with refer to as "scumbags". Their violent outburst was caused by over consumption of alcohol. Their over consumption of alcohol was more than likely caused by an addiction to alcohol. Their addiction to alcohol was more than likely caused by the society with which they live in. THe society that has marginalised and criminalised them and so alcohol becomes one of the main escape routes, the other being drugs. The long arm of the state is send to subdue those who step out of line, you can only be drunk and disorderly in your own neighbourhoods, you cant spoil irelands new party image (btw i am not defending these individuals im merely pointing out the obvious origin of such actions). The gardai are attacked because these youth's are often persecuted by the gardai. Youth is a soft target, the dont have a voice and very rarely to they fight back. On this occasion they did. That's the jist of it all really.

by Anonymous Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:44

Matt,

Drunken "scum" fighting on a beach has nothing to do with anarchism - and I'm sure most/all anarchists would totally condemn these actions.

In fact if they were "scum" it was probably due to capitalism - i.e. economically & socially deprived youths brought up in ghettos where alcohol, drugs & fights gives them a reason to live.

Regards

by Mrs. Jones Tue Aug 12, 2003 12:46

Lets not be getting all hot and bothered here.
No-ones picture of the proletariat will get sullied so long as we stay down off those highs horses and away from those snobbish shenanigans.
The reality of that fateful day is that there was a free concert provided by the good people at MTV,HB & 2FM. Now I don’t go in for all that fancy nonsense myself-give me Radio 1 and some Bovril and I’m happy. However, it seems to me that if there was such an amount of people on the beach there should have been adequate security, Gardai Siochana or other available. Now I know that it’s very fashionable these days to blindly hate and disregard the police but there is always good use for a nice shoulder of pork.
Also, and I’m noting this for the attention of Matt, a little compassion for "Proletariat" youth wouldn’t go astray here. The drunken Scum fighting on the beach were teenage youths. Irresponsible, angry, out of control. Teenagers so to speak.
Sundays events were unfortunate I agree, but they weren’t not some great omen, foretelling the turning of the tide, prophesising waves of Anarchism lapping the shores of Capitalism and Hierarchy.
Nor were they a prime example of the useless destructive energy the Proletariat is only capable of (as Matt seems to think).
If we get things in perspective, we could realise that Alcohol & Sun, Excitement, Hormones and youthful feelings of invincibility triggered this event.
Now less squabbling girls and Boys or you’ll never resolve anything

by jeff Tue Aug 12, 2003 20:49

...I have been sniggering, because now you are talking about a scrap on a beach. How do you know the alleged youths involved were not middle class drunks? The fact that you give importance to this fight is making me snigger quietly in the internet cafe, where I am stoned, and trying not to draw attention to myself... He, he, he, giggle ;0)

by blameless Tue Aug 12, 2003 21:23

some corporate types think hey a beach party with which we can appropiate a new youth culture and sport, and hey we'll look hip thus gaining currency in such market bracket, eXtreme sports rawk etc, claim that sponsorship blah blah helps such sports. so organise a well advertised event, advertising such event attracts all sorts, thats why other beach parties arent advertised, organisation not in place for an event which attracts people who might clash for whatever reason, the inevitable happens, people are shocked. Not the sort of pr that they were looking for. Its a pity a nice day out was sullied but its nice to see a pr blackeye but what did they expect, they were naive, unprepared and the event suffered, off they go and think up another scheme while the sport and idea of beach parties gets tarnished.

As for feeling sorry for poor downtrodden scumbags, over the august weeked i had my fill of them once you get bottles and lit camping gas thrown at you you suddenly dont care what deep seated reason caused such an outburst, maybe they are just assholes who dont care, and its not an issue of class, otherwise their friends wouldnt be apologising sheepishly, to be an asshole is a personal choice not a class issue, to call it a class problem tarnishes everyone else.

by Seáinín Wed Aug 13, 2003 00:48

There's no such thing as class in our society. What really ticks me off is to see people excusing the foul behaviour of others as a product of their deprivation, as if these thugs are not expected to be able to make moral judgements.

If anyone is to blame it's over-indulgent parents who never disicplined their children or taught them any respect for authority - a recipe for the anarchic beahviour on the beach. In the end, these sort of parents are harming their children because they never learn how to co-operate with others and the harm they end up doing to others comes back to them in the end. Filleann an feall ar an bhfeallaire.

by JMcK Wed Aug 13, 2003 09:56

including a child!

by Lugs Brannigan Wed Aug 13, 2003 10:08

Drunken Scum??!!!
How dare you refer to the Gardai in such a manner.

Wait till I have you in the cell, boyo.

by Mary Kelly-Jones Wed Aug 13, 2003 22:54

These thugs were probably the same scummers who blocked dame street, you know the ones with the nails through their noses, the ones always into 'issues'. Wasters basically.

by matt Thu Aug 14, 2003 09:50

Exactly right Blameless. Getting drunk and being a pain in the ass is a personal choice. Nothing to do with what 'class' you were born into. As someone who fits all the criteria of a member of the 'proletariat', including having to live in a part of Dublin where these scum (and I make no apology for using the term) make the already difficult lives of their fellow proletarians an awful lot worse, I find all this attribution of responsibility for their actions to 'society' or 'capitalism'a crock of shit. I think Norman Mailer best described this level of analysis as diaper Marxism. These people are as much the enemy of the people as any Tony O'Reilly or Special Branchman and will always be on the side of reaction as their hired thugs. Where do you think the Brownshirts came from? The slums of Berlin and Hamburg is where. Just like the Animal Gang in Dublin who attacked republicans and socialists in the 30s. So, soft hearted anarchists, remember the slogan of the revolutionary workers of Paris - Death to the thieves !

by Phuq Hedd Thu Aug 14, 2003 19:00

but ... thugs come from somewhere. We can simultaneously look for the cause of problems and not be "soft" on the immediate effect. Also there's a danger in dehumanising anyone even if they're a thuggish police officer, a thuggish youth or whatever. We can get too caught up in the hate of the immediate enemy and expend our resources on ameliorating the problem again and again rather than solving it.