SF website 'glorifying violence'

by pat c Wed Jul 23, 2003 15:41

this is old news. i first read this a few weeks ago. rooster, get up earlier in the morning if you want red hot news.

by Joe D Wed Jul 23, 2003 15:56

Seeing as how Pat C supports the murder of innocent civilians by the IRA/FARC/UDA/UFF, his dodge-the-real-issue comment is not surprising.

by bren Wed Jul 23, 2003 15:56

Now you know why we do not believe SF when they say they are not connected in any way to the IRA.

Adams stop treating us like fools and just admit you are the political wing of the IRA. You'd get far more respect

by Mahma Gandi Wed Jul 23, 2003 16:44

This is nonsense

Tell me do you celebrate, commemerate,acknowledge the historic significance of 1916?
or
The French Revolution
or
The American Revolution
or
The Russian Revolution
or
The Spainish Civil War
or
The Boer War
or
The Palestinian Struggle
or
The Israeli "Homeland"
or
The defeat of Fascism

all the above involved violence

by pat c Wed Jul 23, 2003 17:11

you should know i dont support killing by the uda & uvf. i only support the kiling of them.

why do you keep coming out with the same crap under constantly changing mnames? everyone on indy knows that idont think the ira or farc are terrorists. (things are more complex)they also know i dont support attacks on civilian targets.

Anyway, just to show that theres no hard feelings and the anti-sectarianism of the IRA:

" 23 July 1987 William Megrath (46) Catholic
Status: Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)"

See, todays the anniversary of the IRA killing a taig UDR member.

by robby Wed Jul 23, 2003 17:41

Pat C that would be really funny, if it was'nt so tragic idiots like you glorify the killing of security force personnel, especially when they are catholics, as this stops you claiming the security forces are "occupation" forces.

And because this discourages catholics from joining those organisations you get on your high horse about the "biggoted sectarian police force" or the "partisan UDR".

by Justin Moran - Sinn Féin Wed Jul 23, 2003 17:47 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

This is bizarre. The shop's have been selling those tee-shirts and posters and the rest for as long as I have been a Sinn Fein member and suddenly people notice? They've been selling them over the internet for years and suddenly the SDLP spot them?

Nonsense, the Stoops are so desperate for attention feigned shock and horror will do them nicely.

Republicans have never been anything other than proud of the IRA. It seems a bit of a mad story that Sinn Fein Bookshops are selling Republican merchandise they have been selling for years and suddenly people are shocked.

by pat c Wed Jul 23, 2003 18:01

"Pat C that would be really funny, if it was'nt so tragic idiots like you glorify the killing of security force personnel, especially when they are catholics, as this stops you claiming the security forces are "occupation" forces."

your "sentence" above doesnt make sense. why would the fact that a british soldier was catholic mean he couldnt be part of an occupation force? a member of an imperialist army is hardly an innocent abroad.

incidentally the last but one chairman of the UUP was catholic! his name escapes me at present.

"And because this discourages catholics from joining those organisations you get on your high horse about the "biggoted sectarian police force" or the "partisan UDR". "

what are you raving about? the UDR took part in numerous murders, ever hear of the Miami band? it was riddled with loyalist paramilitaries.

robby, why dont you fuck off home to britland and lick out your queen?

by j.p. Wed Jul 23, 2003 18:07

you have to admit selling those t-shirts while denying having links with the IRA does put a question mark around your claims no?

by Jung Wed Jul 23, 2003 18:11

Its been a while since Robby was ranting here. It looks as if he was given temporary release from the Asylum again. It just goes to show: care in the community isnt working.

by Justin Moran - Sinn Féin Wed Jul 23, 2003 18:17 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

Ummm, no, we sell tee-shirts with Che on them, doesn't mean Sinn Fein liberated Cuba. We sell tapes and CDs of loads of bands, doesn't mean all those bands work for us. We sell videos, books and material from a range of republican, NONrepublican and ANTIrepublican writers.

It's merchandise. It makes us money. We're republicans, the newsflash that republicans are sympathetic and supportive to the IRA and will buy merchandise to publicise this support should surprise no-one.

by j.p. Wed Jul 23, 2003 20:10

joking.

by iosaf Wed Jul 23, 2003 21:04

i thought Sinn Fein had done Cuba and Che was a tweedy guinness drinking gaeilgoir. (it was because of the t-shirts). But then again when I had been an even wee-er buaichaill I had thought ireland was part of the USA and still remember my disbelief when my brother explained I didn't live near Disney world. (it was because of the telly).

Every Sept 11 the local socialist republicans and like there are loads, they govern Barcelona in coalition with the Socialists and GReens, I've told ye all before, but anyway every Sept 11, they go out on the street and set up their "Catalonia-rarara/RARARA" stalls, and I have to admit seeing those t-shirts of Bobby Sands, and the sniper and the rest, make me giggle. If I had the 15€ spare last Sept. 11th I had my eye on the "different people's same struggle" t-shirt. It's really cool. For your 15€ you get a map of Europe with all the states the socialist Republicans would liberate for themselves (if they got the chance and mananged to convert the macro-regionalist voters) and the flags they'd put up.
Anarkists are very simple.
We don't have an official flag and this has allowed us to make the coolest t-shirts ever ever ever.
"different peoples the same shit!".
with of course no flags and no borders.

by Jmck Thu Jul 24, 2003 00:46

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by robby Thu Jul 24, 2003 03:22

1. royal loyal robby
by pat c Wednesday, Jul 23 2003, 5:01pm
-Thank you patc, royal and loyal!

2. "Pat C that would be really funny, if it was'nt so tragic idiots like you glorify the killing of security force personnel, especially when they are catholics, as this stops you claiming the security forces are "occupation" forces."
your "sentence" above doesnt make sense. why would the fact that a british soldier was catholic mean he couldnt be part of an occupation force? a member of an imperialist army is hardly an innocent abroad.
-because you tube, his religon is not the issue, the fact that he was born in Northern Ireland means he is'nt "occupying" anything, unless of course he is occupying himself.

3. incidentally the last but one chairman of the UUP was catholic! his name escapes me at present.
-and how many protestant members of sin feinn are there?

4. "And because this discourages catholics from joining those organisations you get on your high horse about the "biggoted sectarian police force" or the "partisan UDR". what are you raving about? the UDR took part in numerous murders, ever hear of the Miami band? it was riddled with loyalist paramilitaries.
-if you can't understand English thats not my fault, targeting catholic members of the security forces will discourage others from joining, is that simple enough?

5. robby, why dont you fuck off home to britland and lick out your queen?
-oh, so thats what your arguement has descended to?

Robbys Raving Return
by Jung Wednesday, Jul 23 2003, 5:11pm


Its been a while since Robby was ranting here. It looks as if he was given temporary release from the Asylum again. It just goes to show: care in the community isnt working.

Well, at least I'm getting care.

by Justin Moran - Sinn Féin Thu Jul 24, 2003 10:41 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

Unlike the UUP who count Catholics and tell the world they're multidenominational republicans don't bother as one's religious beliefs aren't relevant.

For example, I'm a member of Sinn Fein, I'm not a Catholic. I personally know three members of SInn Fein who are members of the Church of Ireland, though lapsed by any measure. There are more, I just don't wander round meetings asking for Protestants to reveal themselves.

Members of the security forces were targetted because they were members of the security forces. Their religious beliefs aren't relevant.

by pat c Thu Jul 24, 2003 11:01

to set you up for the day i will commemorate another IRA action. On this day:

24 July 1990 Joshua Willis (35)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Killylea Road, Armagh.
24 July 1990 William Hanson (37)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Killylea Road, Armagh.
24 July 1990 David Sterritt (34)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Killylea Road, Armagh.

Those poor workers in uniform!

by John Meehan Thu Jul 24, 2003 17:13

New t shirts from SF :

"Sinn Féin is not the IRA"

"Gerry Adams was never a member of the IRA"

"Peace Work and Class Politics"

"No Return to Stormont"

"Return to Stormont"

by Republican Thu Jul 24, 2003 18:17

I Hate SF

30 More Years Of War

O'Brádaigh Abú

by Anon Thu Jul 24, 2003 21:10

Its a bit sick Pat to refer to people being killed in such a frivolous way, I don't think that the families of those people will have been very happy on the anniversary of their deaths.

by me Thu Jul 24, 2003 21:22

correct but that's the way the provos are/were, they basked in it, hard to trust them still, but hopefully the violence is over, they were also quite fetistic in their uniforms, republicanism could be hare krishnaism or scientology, you have the cause, nobody can talk you out of it, the target steps into view, bang, dead, they're a cult actually, oh well at least anti-racist,

by robby Fri Jul 25, 2003 02:00

Pat C
by Anon Thursday, Jul 24 2003, 8:10pm
Its a bit sick Pat to refer to people being killed in such a frivolous way, I don't think that the families of those people will have been very happy on the anniversary of their deaths.


-exactly, anon just look at there ages, three men in their mid thirties, were they married? did they have children? In all likelihood - yes.
Those kids have now grown up into young adults, how extreme do you think their views are going to be?
Did their colleagues at work change any of their work practices or did they become even more bitter? In all likelihood - yes
Its a generally recognised fact that the biggest stumbling block to a united Ireland ir the IRA.

by Seáinín Fri Jul 25, 2003 03:37

Maybe in 2003 yes. But don't forget that there were fairly compelling reasons why the Provos went into action in the late 60's. They became the sole means of furthering the aims of nationalists in Norn Iron after Bloody Sunday.

by Justin Moran - Sinn Féin Fri Jul 25, 2003 11:31 maigh_nuad at yahoo dot com

Recognised by who exactly?

by iosaf Fri Jul 25, 2003 12:27

now you be very careful who you call a mad chap, you know there aren't many of them on this site, and Robby seems to many of us to be just as entrenched as some of your colleagues.
If you go around wantonly calling people mad chaps, then I might just do series of "SF-subvert-t-shirts" for the future, remember we _do_ t-shirts over here.
Meanwhile I see in the Independent that the Unionists want to charge ye with sedition on this theme.

-You must be quaking in your boots.

And really I doubt (as a t-shirt generator) that the Republican Movement has garnered much cash from the t-shirts/calanders/pencils.
How many t-shirts do you have to sell to get a copy of AP/RN through the press?
How many Republican diarys had to be sold before you could afford something more "hardward-like".
Exactly, you didn't do a deal with Ghadaffi back in the 20th century saying,

"Saleem fraternal socialist revolutionary
and esteemed author of the little green book
we would like the means to upgrade our slow and atritious campaign against the British Empire, would you stand us some Surface to Air Missiles on tick? We sell about 6000 diaries, 200 t-shirts and a few thousand calanders a year, we'll be able to pay you back quicker than you can say Naixa-anr-saleem-ins-allah!"

NO. These items are for propaganda and tribal indentification purposes only.
Would you object if the Paratroopers infamous wall hanging celebrating the murder of your comrades was marketed over the internet perhaps by "Robby" or whomever he seems to be representing?
Yes. you would.
So why is it so difficult to recognise that this shop is for many deeply offensive.
On this veryday, the coroner's court shall re-open the inquest into the Dublin Bombing of 1972 begins again. And I rather expect you and your party to pass some comment on "memory-reconciliation- blah blah".

by pat c Fri Jul 25, 2003 15:37

'Afternoon Robby, I noticed that Jeff Donaldson has again called for the disbanding of the Bloody Sunday Tribunal and other enquiries into "Alleged State MISDEMEANOURS". So, State Collusion with Loyalist Death Squads is an alleged misdemeanour.

Anyway to cheer you up:

25 July 1989 Alexander Bell (39)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Died 18 days after being injured in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Red Arch Bay, near Cushendall, County Antrim.


Ah, ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolled for Bell.

by robby Sat Jul 26, 2003 02:46

'Afternoon Robby, I noticed that Jeff Donaldson has again called for the disbanding of the Bloody Sunday Tribunal

Ah yes Pat my mis-guided friend, I believe that the story that you refer to is where he commented on the deportation of the "alledged" murderer McNicholl, when unionists called for the deportation Sin Fien said they lived in a time warp, even though the murder took place 8 years after bloody Sunday, double standards or what?


Anyway to cheer you up:
25 July 1989 Alexander Bell (39)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Died 18 days after being injured in land mine attack on Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Red Arch Bay, near Cushendall, County Antrim.

and how many kids did he have? 15 years later they are adults, are there views moderate or extremist, more recruits for the LVF I would imagine.


Ah, ask not for whom the bell tolls, it tolled for Bell.

When Blair pulls his troops out that will remove British law, the same law which you cower under, you will hear the bell toll my friend

by pat c Mon Jul 28, 2003 11:04

No Robby, Donaldson specifically talked about shutting down the Bloody Sunday Tribunal and other enquiries into "State MISDEMENOURS".

Yes, Robby my day will come, but not in the way you are implying.

Anyway to cheer you up:

28 July 1988 Michael Matthews (37)
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Died one day after being injured during land mine attack on British Army (BA) / Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) foot patrol, Cullyhanna, County Armagh

27 July 1980 Robert Thompson (26)
Status: British Army (BA), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Killed by remote controlled bomb hidden in parked car, detonated when British Army (BA) foot patrol approached, Moy Bridge, near Aughnacloy, County Tyrone.

26 July 1986 Karl Blackbourne (19)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot from close range while sitting in stationary Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Market Street, Newry, County Down.
26 July 1986 Peter Kilpatrick (27)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot from close range while sitting in stationary Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Market Street, Newry, County Down.
26 July 1986 Charles Allen (37)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: Irish Republican Army (IRA)
Shot from close range while sitting in stationary Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC) armoured patrol car, Market Street, Newry, County Down.

Now thats service! Three days commemorations!

by robby Mon Jul 28, 2003 23:52

No Robby, Donaldson specifically talked about shutting down the Bloody Sunday Tribunal and other enquiries into "State MISDEMENOURS".

That would be the 250 million quid that was burning a hole in Blairs pocket, I wonder how many hip replacements that would buy?

This was the same day that Sin feinn called for the convicted murderers in the Scots guards to be kicked out of the Army.
And what else did they call for on that day? The provo McNicholl that was extradited from the US THEY CALLED FOR HIM TO BE RELEASED,

DOUBLE STANDARDS FROM SIN FEINN.

by pat c Tue Jul 29, 2003 11:41

robby heres a case where the brits derve full credit ;)

29 July 1976 George Johnston (24)
Status: Royal Ulster Constabulary (RUC), Killed by: British Army (BA)
Off duty. Shot while travelling in car at British Army (BA) Vehicle Check Point, Bessbrook, County Armagh.