CPIR Statement: There is no Peace in Ireland

by BrianClarke - AllVoices Mon Nov 05, 2012 09:06

Yes your analysis seems correct to me, with regard to the problem. It starts to get difficult though when we look at the specifics of a solution, with so many divisions amongst the people of no property. Many generations of Marxists, have worked to unite the working class but as was the case in Bombay street and similar events, this unity disappeared overnight with the passions aroused by cultivated sectarianism. It continues to be far too easy for the ruling class to divide and conquer Irish people, resulting in a lot of real revolutionary spirit emigrating. There appears to be no other route to evolving, than fist ridding the island of its neo-colonial structures.

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by An Draighneán Donn Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:48

Yes, a chara, too many people have become mesmerized by the vain hope of uniting the Irish working class - while the occupation still exists. These people have not bothered to read James Connolly, it seems. As he says, the work of uniting the working class can only begin, once the occupation has ended, and the working class themselves are in power. Because, even in a 32 county bourgeois free state, the native comprador class would still be able to use their money and power to create divisions in the working class. We don't need ALL the working class on our side to make a successful Revolution, we just need enough.

by BrianClarke - AllVoices Tue Nov 06, 2012 13:22

A Chara An Draighneán Donn,

I quoted your reply in answering an RNU statement above on the Indymedia page. Ifyou have any problem with that please let me know and I can remove it.

I don't wish to be divisive or personal but I am simply trying to get a little more clarity. I find your analysis woolly to say the least and your dismissal of the emotional route, at the conclusion of your article as simplistic. The emotional path can be a far more perceptive path to the actual problem and solution than any amount of cerebral masturbation. In fact I would say that the lack of passion, as demonstrated by the working class in Greece and Spain, is blatantly absent from the current Irish disaster. The British counter revolutionary activities of MI5, seem to be just as as successful in Ireland, as they were with the British left, bogged down in polemic division and personal egos, since the miners strike.

The language of the heart, is often far more reliable than the dubious value of human intelligence.Emotions are also far more indicative of commitment and often a more reliable path to the actual activity of a successful revolution. Too much analysis often creates paralysis and division. A bit of passion to challenge the control freaks and manipulators of the left, would do no harm in Ireland at all. We only have to look at the state of the Provisionals, to see where the manipulators, woolly reformists and mental masturbators have taken them.

In the CPIR statement further down the Indymedia page, I received a reply by An Draighneán Donn, to a query I had, which I believe is very relevant to your statement and which I would like to quote, "Yes, a chara, too many people have become mesmerized by the vain hope of uniting the Irish working class - while the occupation still exists. These people have not bothered to read James Connolly, it seems. As he says, the work of uniting the working class can only begin, once the occupation has ended, and the working class themselves are in power. Because, even in a 32 county bourgeois free state, the native comprador class would still be able to use their money and power to create divisions in the working class. We don't need ALL the working class on our side to make a successful Revolution, we just need enough.

With all due respect your statement, looks very like some of Eamon Gilmores ramblings when he was in the Workers Part and now the same Eamon, with this type of reformist bullscutter, has reformed himself into a full blown, critical part, of one of the most right wing governments in Europe, with a nice retirement package and bonuses that will make him a multi-millionaire. I regret to have to write that your statement comes across simply as, "Eamon's old careerist wine in a new RNU bottle. I hope you can offer something a bit more scientific or passionate, if you want the Irish people of no property, to put their lives on the line for the revolution path you are describing.

Mise le meas

Brian Clarke

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by An Draighneán Donn Tue Nov 06, 2012 14:22

A Bhriain, a chara, please regard anything published by the CPIR as being in the public domain. We are not fans of intellectual property rights. The only thing I will say is that the RNU clearly put a lot of work into their paper, and I think it is a valuable addition to the debate on where we are, and what is going so terribly wrong. I think you were too harsh in comparing the RNU's work with the opportunism of Eamonn Gilmore. Personally, I don't see any point in trying to have a debate with the likes of the SWP, SP, PSF or Labour. They are too steeped in the opportunist mentality for anything good to every come out of them. But, there are groups on the Left, particularly the Republican Left, such as the RNU, RSF, 32CSM, WSM, etc. that should be always spoken to as comrades and friends. If we feel that their analysis can be improved, we need to say it in a very positive fashion - as an invitation, rather than as a challenge. I'm sure you will agree with me a chara.

by BrianClarke - AllVoices Tue Nov 06, 2012 18:26

A Chara,

Point taken and I will duly try to correct it but they do a lot of censorship.

brion

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