Bundoran Hunger Strike Commemoration 2012.

by Sharon. - Individual. Tue Jul 24, 2012 19:51

Hi !

The main speaker at this commemoration will be Diarmuid Mac Dubhglais, Republican Sinn Féin, Dublin , and the Chairperson is Joe O' Neill , Donegal.

Thanks!
Sharon.

Hunger Strike Commemoration , Bundoran , Saturday 25th August 2012.

by Sharon. - Individual. Mon Aug 27, 2012 19:16

Hi !

The crowd turned out in force , the weather held and the atmosphere was perfect : Joe O'Neill done his job , Ruairi O'Bradaigh did his job and the main speaker , Diarmuid , showed why it was he was picked as the main speaker !
A full report of this Republican Commemoration will be published in the September 2012 edition of SAOIRSE , which goes to print on Wednesday 5th of that month.
Pics from same can be viewed at the 'Related Link' below.
Thanks,
Sharon.

Bundoran Hunger-Strikers Commemoration 2012.

by Unimpressed - None Tue Aug 28, 2012 18:36

If you lot claim to be a legitimate party and want to some time (in the far far distant future) get seats in councils or the Dail, why the need for masks and paramilitary garb. Shame on whoever dressed up the kid, has there not been enough bloodshed in this country without indoctrinating another generation. Looks like you had a turnout of bitter old men and impressable youth.
I take it that 1169 and counting is the body count.

PS next time you get a few dozen together how about helping Louth County Council clean up the toxic sludge your gallant heroes create and dump there.

by Jade Wed Aug 29, 2012 01:31

I have to agree with Unimpressed about the child.
Childhood innocence is a precious thing.
Involving a child so young in something which involves war and death is a travesty and those who condone such an action should hang their heads in shame.
If these are the examples shown to today's younger generation then god help us tomorrow.

As for the British rule in the North, it would appear to me that the majority of attrocities against Irish citizens these days are perpetrated by Irish citizens, sometimes in the name of unity and often hiding behind the guise of patriotism while in fact satisfying their own agenda.
It seems less of a cause these days and more of a culture.
The consequences of 50+ years of the troubles.

by gamer Wed Aug 29, 2012 17:53

Jade
I take it you are equally incensed at jolly military recruitment displays such as the one at the galway airshow. Also, nearly every video game released these days and every US tv programme on TV glorify military service in a very distorted way. Many of these games and programnmes are meant to indoctrinate the next generation of kids for imperialist wars. Perhaps you need to get out and protest those too. Or is it just republican marches that annoy you? If so how very narrow your concerns, considering how steeped we and our children all are in imperialist war propaganda.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Wed Aug 29, 2012 19:45

So you oppose military indoctrination of pre-rational children..
..unless its your brand of jigoistic militarism??

You sure YOU are being consistent?

Kill for our flag, not theirs?Trust us not them?Bit cyclical, is it not?

And yes, I'm anti militarist indoctrination all round...its a poisonous culture.

Doesn't mean I'm a pacifist, just aint taking no fucking orders from NO set of self-appointed generals. And if they start bombing my streets I'll sign up to shoot the fuckers, or support those who do.
Especially when I know the vast majority of Irish people recognise the counter-productivity of such actions as far as advancing a more healthy society goes.

We don't need more cannon fodder(or trigger-happy idiocy). The problems we face are too complex to be solved by such immature and self-gratifyingly deluded short cuts.

I have no objection to commemorating the hunger strikers..but that photo of that kid I find obscene war-porn. Aside from anything else you demean the history of Irish republicanism by such programming of divisive hate and counter-sectarianism. All you do is inflame and feed the corollary Orange conviction that Irish nationalism is a form of mindless fascistic dictation.

by gamer Thu Aug 30, 2012 03:15

but I don't oppose it ONLY when republicans do it unlike the poster I was taking to task.
Thats the difference opus.

Little kids should not be indoctrinated to fight in rich old people's battles for resources or indeed in tiny ineffective nationalistic guerilla warfare movements. However a lot more kids are indoctrinated by systematic and relentless imperialist propaganda backed by big money and hollywood and the pentagon, than are ever indoctrinated by puny resistance movements.

Accordingly, our resistance to this should be equally proportionate. In other words, we should spend most of our efforts addressing imperialism and occasionally chastise rebels.

However, as in the case of Israel and Palestine, the oppressor and aggressor succeeds in the propaganda battle when we agree to give them equal time. This in itself is completely disproportionate.

This is the kind of monkey business that the previous poster was up to. Meanwhile, adverts glorifying the royal marines, recruitment fairs, airshows, video games etc pushing "careers" in the UK military pass by without a murmur. But show one kid in a photo of a small republican protest and there is hell to pay.

So where are the 100 anti imperialist recruitment propaganda posts to balance this post condemning republican indoctrination? Thats what I want to know!!

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Aug 30, 2012 09:56

.from which I assume 'jade' has form...not obvious from what seemed(and seems) a fair comment.

My point is that that photo of the kid is more likely to feed imperialist 'security' psychology reaction than all the paras abseiling into the paralympics.
It justifies their brutality. The example of Zion is fitting..nothing they love more than a 'rocket' attack to justify their lead-casts.
Just as Bloody Sunday was DESIGNED to resuscitate the dying IRA and prolong the Orange social order. Enlightened nationalists had already identified the methodology back in the 19th century. Its the civil rights movement and its worldwide revelations that needed obfuscating and drowning out in a theatre of manufactured terror.

Symbiotic, my dear Watson...its the same pernicious atavistic warrior reversion to indoctrination uber intelligence. a.k.a. counter-productive.

As with al CIAda. One hand washing the other. Often unconsciously. Except to the handlers.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Thu Aug 30, 2012 16:04

..I see the monkey dropped his 'n'.

Might have been more appropriate if I'd dropped the 'k'.

by Sharon. - Individual. Thu Aug 30, 2012 16:07

Hi !
The young(est) lad in the above pic seems to be the cause of consternation to some posters , unnecessarily so : the pic shows a Senior Slua of Na Fianna Éireann from the Six Counties (where it is deemed to be 'an illegal organisation') and one young(er) member of a (Junior) Slua from this State. The former (Senior) are involved in political activities whereas the latter (Junior) concern themselves with scouting , educational and cultural activities only.
It doesn't leave them much time for 'X-Factor'-type enjoyment (!) or 'Playstation' etc but sure they can't have it both ways.....

Thanks,
Sharon.

Not 'X-Factor'.......

......or 'Playstation' friendly !

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Fri Aug 31, 2012 09:52

I think not, Sharon.
More bewilderment tinged with scepticism at detectable propangandist indoctrination of pre-school infants.
I'd save the 'consternation' until the credulity of the general population sees your numbers expand a little.

Scouting, educational and cultural activities???Nature trails, landscape watercolours and an introduction to opera?

No doubt the shades are for his Stevie Wonder impression.

by Sharon. - Individual. Fri Aug 31, 2012 13:22

Hi Opus !
How relieved I am that you're still talking to me after the manner in which you so abruptly 'left' our last conversation on this site !

I would most definitely not say that 'you think not' , Opus - even if you do have trouble expressing those thoughts (thus running a coach and four through the maxim 'Practice Makes Perfect' ) !
And if you consider scouting , educational and cultural activities to be "propagandist indoctrination" (comprising the evils of nature trails , landscape watercolours and -horrors! - opera) then it's time you changed the team on the aforementioned 'PMP coach' as they are , once again, leading you astray.
But I'm disappointed to see that you are a follower of the 'quantity is what counts'-group ( the 'numbers' game) as I would have thought that ye 'regressive' types were more forward-thinking than that? My bad, as the kids would say....

Finally (and I hope this time it is!) - could "the shades" be on because the sun is up , do you think....?
Thanks anyway, Stevie,
Sharon.

by Contrarian Fri Aug 31, 2012 13:39

could "the shades" be on because the sun is up?

Of course they could, Sharon. I look forward to the explanation for the black gloves (on a sunny August day!) and the beret and general paramilitary style footwear, trousers and top.

Anyway, it's a perfectly legal manifestation of the little guys constitutional rights to freedom of expression and association, no matter how bad taste it's in or how "cute" he looks. I'm sure he will be encouraged by his wiser elders to a path of peaceful and constitutional pursuit of his political aims. Won't he?

by Sharon. - Individual. Fri Aug 31, 2012 14:35

Hi Contrarian !
I hope "the explanation" that all scouting organisations have their own uniform (including gloves , heavy-duty trousers and jumpers etc and stout footwear for outdoor use) will meet with your approval but, if not, I can mention your concerns to NFÉ , if you like?
Do you think they should be permitted to represent their organisation(s) in 'civvy' (!) clothes or is a uniform best for group representation , I wonder....
And, from what I know of NFÉ and other outdoor scouting organisations ,all "paths" are explored to and by them but the one of least resistance is not always followed !
Thanks,
Sharon.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Fri Aug 31, 2012 17:46

..metaphorically, why wouldn't I?Always a pleasure.

If you were paying attention to that last 'conversation' you might have noticed that the thread was abruptly closed, guilloting any response to your evasive ploys. If you recall, I did respond to your exit on another thread...don'y you remember how happy you were at my reappearance ?

Your comment is as persuasive as your facetious 'relief'.

I am surprised (though maybe I shouldn't be) you are so fond of the youth scouting movement founded by that well known imperial child-groomer Baden-Powell.

No doubt so astute a lady as yourslef will recognise the irony.

Or not, as the adults say.

by Sharon. - Individual. Fri Aug 31, 2012 18:41

.....the cab driver : 'You talkin' to me....' !

Hi Opus !
The "pleasure" is all yours - it's no fun anymore putting you back in your wee dead-end box now , after the first time, that is.
But, seriously (!) - Baden-Powell "founded" NFÉ , did he ?
Lol!
Has there been a split in the 'Regressive Hypocrites' and you haven't quite decided which side of the fence you're on , or did you land head-first on it and the above 'NFÉ founded by Baden-Powell' is the beginning of a fresh set of ramblings from you ? If so , I look forward to more 'party publications' ;-) !
And of course I was "paying attention" to our last conversation , Opus - and I must offer my congrats to you for having toned things down re your manner : but I hope the fence is not damaged beyond repair as a result , as I fear you will need to 'introduce' yourself to it again when its calming effect eventually wears off.

I'm just securing a copy of this for future use - hope you don't mind too much....
"I am surprised (though maybe I shouldn't be) you are so fond of the youth scouting movement founded by that well known imperial child-groomer Baden-Powell."
Classic !
Thanks,
Sharon.

by Jacqueline Fallon Fri Aug 31, 2012 19:51

Please have respect everyone - this commemoration was for the 22 hunger strikers who suffered + died for Irish freedom from 1917 - 1981 - that is the main focus and the only thing that holds any interest for me. The whole focus of discussion should be on the utter misery inflicted on the Irish people by continuous British rule in Ireland.

The British are playing a very dirty intelligence game here with Irish citizens' lives and are attempting to shut people up from protesting their presence in Ireland, I have copped on to it and others should too. I have also copped on to the fact that many Irish deaths have not been investigated here (what the hell happened to Mary Reid a highly respected and decent republican in the IRSP???). British intelligence agents in MI5/MI6 are playing chess with people's lives here in the various organisations opposing British rule - these British agents are getting Irish citizens to shoot one another (just so you know, Jade). People should remember that where you see Irish people shooting each other, behind the scene there is always a happy British agent.

God bless all those who sacrificed their lives and died for Irish independence, and all those who fought in wars around the world for their own countries’ freedom from oppression.

by Sharon. - Individual. Fri Aug 31, 2012 20:22

Hi Jacqueline !

You're right , of course - but sometimes it's necessary to challenge troublemakers when they become a nuisance. Some on this thread are genuinely interested in the Junior NFÉ member in the pic whilst others just try to use a pic / issue / event like that to stir things up. The latter misinterpret the absence of a reply as a 'victory' of sorts and are thus encouraged to do the same again. And again....

The Bundoran Commemoration was a great success despite the best efforts of the anti-republican 'regressives' that abound in real life and on the internet but that's not to say that they should have free reign and not be challenged when they attempt to take you to task.
Thanks,
Sharon.

by Sharon. - Individual. Fri Aug 31, 2012 22:05

......but he makes mountains out of molehills at times.

Hi Jacqueline !
He is a strong believer in his own 'worth' and strikes me as someone who needs to shout a lot : he is angry with the world and is eager to find fault everywhere and in his haste to do so he can trip himself up. He's a loner who considers himself far too intelligent to join or stay with any group because I suspect he knows that to do so would eventually expose his own weaknesses.
He's not the worst that has engaged with me on this or other sites but he's fast becoming a contender !
Thanks,
Sharon.

by feudal castrato Sat Sep 01, 2012 00:15

Contrarian said: "Of course they could, Sharon. I look forward to the explanation for the black gloves (on a sunny August day!) and the beret and general paramilitary style footwear, trousers and top."

Ha ha! this is rich coming from a known zionist poster like contrarian, considering Israel force compulsory military service on all of it's children.

Here's my theory for the clothes:
I guess the kid was just playing "israelis and palestinians" with his friends contrarian, and it was his turn to be the Israeli in uniform and dark shades beating up the poor brown palestinian kids!! How's that for a theory??

by Contrarian Sat Sep 01, 2012 01:18

Pretty crappy theory, FC,

If he really was drawing inspiration from a "Palestinians and Israelis" game then you will find it's the Palestinian kids who dress up as soldiers and suicide bombers. And not just dress up games either, the youngest recorded Palestinian suicide bomber was 16, with dozens more under 18.

Just do a google search for "kid dressed as suicide bomber" and you'll see what I mean.

As for Israel, conscription is for 18 year olds, not kids.

by feudal castrato Sat Sep 01, 2012 01:55

18 year olds are kids.

Israel forces real military conscription on its kids.

So don't bother coming here talking about a few people sending their kids to the feckin boy scouts in Ireland.

by Contrarian Sat Sep 01, 2012 02:05

So when does one become an adult then? Would have thought 18 hardly qualifies as a "kid" these days.

by feudal castrato Sat Sep 01, 2012 02:22

In some cases, never it seems!! ;-)

Real adults seek peace and compromise.

Children bully each other and play war games with expensive toys.

The US / Israeli political establishment are acting like spoilt children, the bullies in the schoolyard, picking on the smaller poorer kids, threatening them and trying to steal their lunch money

by Sharon. - Individual. Sat Sep 01, 2012 19:34

- as your attempts at "distortion (and) evasion" backfire !

Hi Opus !

"Point out to the readers where I even mentioned Na Fianna Eireann."
Here , during our (on-going ?) conversation about NFÉ (this thread ,Fri Aug 31, 2012 17:46) - "I am surprised (though maybe I shouldn't be) you are so fond of the youth scouting movement founded by that well known imperial child-groomer Baden-Powell."
And I dare say the moderators have noticed that , too - proving which one of us is "the facetious and facile liar..." !
Perhaps next time you should stand back and throw the fence (which we mentioned earlier) at the statue instead of landing on it !
Thanks,
Sharon.

by Sharon. - Individual. Sat Sep 01, 2012 22:45

....they won't know that you have hoisted yourself on your own petard !

Hi Opus !
Lol!
Worst reply to date - here we are discussing Na Fianna Éireann and you state , in the flow of our conversation : " I am surprised (though maybe I shouldn't be) you are so fond of the youth scouting movement founded by that well known imperial child-groomer Baden-Powell " thereby declaring your belief that the NFÉ was founded by that man.
Have you not got a firmer straw to grab at ;-) ?
Thanks anyway,
Sharon.

by Jade Mon Sep 03, 2012 22:26

Yes Gamer
You take it correctly, I am indeed equally incensed at things like the Galway Warshow, that glorify weapons of war and try to dress it up as a family day out.
And army recruiting days and visits by the US navy and thugs in balaclavas marching down the road waving flags and celebrating the murder and mayhem they have caused, as well as the thugs in bowler hats and wearing orange sashes who are still openly allowed to celebrate their hatred over Catholics.
And games that glorify bloodlust and killing, and television programmes and books and anything else that attempts to paint a rosy picture of killing and maiming.
And I couldn't agree with you more about such being used to indoctrinate the next generation of kids for imperalist wars.
As for your assumption that it is just Republican marches that annoy me, you could not be more incorrect. I am equally appalled by Loyalist rallies and marches, particularly the ones where they drag their children along to indoctrinate them in their ignorance and hatred, tainting yet another generation.
This particular event just happened to be the catalyst for my argument as it involved the picture of a small child being used to glorify conflict.
Its sad that you immediately jumped to the conclusion that just because I was criticising a Republican gathering that I was anti Republican and had to use that for the basis of your comments.
I hope I have set the record straight now.

by gamer Tue Sep 04, 2012 06:02

Fair enough Jade.

It's just that in all the time I've been here, I can't recall someone called "Jade" commenting with similar vehemence on the many anti imperialist threads / warshow threads etc etc etc.

Only on a republican commemeration thread, do you suddenly appear out of nowhere worrying about "the children"

I promise I'll take you more seriously when I see your comments start to flow about imperialism and it's systematic recruitment campaigns, economic conscription, the selling of war through hollywood and video games, and the effects of imperialist policies and sanctions upon hundreds of thousands of innocent children in the middle east and worldwide.

meanwhile my jury is still out on you until you put your money where your mouth is.

Personally I have posted much highlighting these topics over the years here under a few well known monikers.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Tue Sep 04, 2012 08:19

Stop digging, gamer...she commented on the topic..you jumped to unwarranted conclusions.

Not uncommon. If you had concentrated on her comment instead of your assumptions you wouldn'e be needing to backpedal.

Just as Sharon might choose more fitting metaphors if she was not so tetchily reactionary. I suggest you lend her a dictionary and explain that its petards we are trying to decommission; and all the associated militarist mindless paraphernalia.

Tell her she can climb down off the statue now...and get back on topic.

by gamer Tue Sep 04, 2012 13:09

Mind your own business Opus. my comment was for Jade, whom I see as a person who comes here and only visibly attacks republicans for having a boy scouts programme

meanwhile the imperialist agenda which is much more effective in it's "full spectrum dominance" cynical and systematic child recruitment programme remains uncommented on by this poster.

I find that suspicious.

I'm not in favour of children being involved in militarism, but I was in the boy scouts and it never made me bomb anyone.

When this poster is seen to write an article or comment on other threads about child recruitment by imperialism, or indeed imperialism itself, then I'll consider their comment here to be genuine and not just some cheap anti republican astro turfing.

I think the ratio between the child recruitment by republicans and child recruitment elsewhere is likely astronomical.
Logically it is not unreasonable to expect say a minimum 3:1 ratio of comments at least. i.e. for every one anti republican comment, maybe 3 comments about other militarism. And that is being really generous I think.

Just for the record IMHO your comments towards Sharon suggesting she relishes people's deaths and imputing other motivations are really offside. Comments such as the one below seem to be suggesting very serious things about her personal motivations without a shred of evidence. Thats just smearing. Very ungentlemanly conduct.

Republicans are far from the biggest problem we have right now. They were part of a bona fide armed resistance to an occupier. Brave men gave their lives to resist an imperialist occupier who still occupy our country and who committed (and still commit) terrible acts here too which don't get half the negative media attention any republican actions do. In the chaos of resistance, very bad things happened, but as a famous man once said "revolution is not a tea party"

Republicans don't represent me, but I don't begrudge them respecting their dead and not allowing their version of historical events to go down the memory hole of our orwellian culture either. That seems like mostly what Sharon is involved with. The sinister preponderance of dodgy historical revisionists publishing books here makes it all the more relevant.

stop digging yourself opus. you've registered your personal revulsion at the puny Irish armed resistance movement to it's occupier. Fair enough. Now lets try to keep it proportionate and maybe get back to the bigger fish who are the real bulk child killers. Amongst others that ironically includes a nuclear armed UK military whose cynical recruitment adverts are most prevalent indeed on our tvs, who sell war as a challenging career on this island amongst others and who profit handsomely from the sales of military hardware worldwide, hardware which continues to bring death and suffering of thousands with ever greater efficiency.

Your comment:
"your posturing on the deaths I suspect you relish for your ego-polishing by spurious identification, rather than there ever being a chance of you emulating.
Your responses indicate your imperviousness to rational criticism, and your contempt for the rest of the Irish public who share my distaste for your methods and fixated 19th century mindset"

by Sharon. - Individual. Tue Sep 04, 2012 19:41

.....for seeing the bigger picture.

Hi Gamer !

That comment you quoted from Opus is par for the course , I'm afraid but, as I have said on this thread , I have had far worse said to and about me , in 'real life' and on different internet sites, and by far 'heavier hitters' than Indy's resident nay-sayer , our Opus. And whilst I don't agree with everything you wrote (in that or other posts) I recognise the difference between a thought-out and genuine response and knee-jerk reaction. I appreciate the former but find discussions with the author(s) of the latter to be time wasted as they are not interested in explanations , nor is that their objective.
However - if we three can keep things going like this then I'll have no need to open a new 'Bundoran' thread next year - and Opus can add that achievement to his 'Green Credential' list !
;-)
Thanks,
Sharon.

by opus diablos - the regressive hypocrite party Wed Sep 05, 2012 04:29

Keep on keeping on...

...playing the player...and not the issues.

It saves me elaborating.

by gamer Wed Sep 05, 2012 04:59

I guess then you'll be heading over to the K club with your 200 euro to protest the evil republicans in eirigi opus? (Make sure to bring a cross, some garlic and some holy water and a stake!!)

http://www.indymedia.ie/article/102370

It's quite clear who the real child killers actively trying to recruit children are here
(and who are also trying to paper over history and normalise relations)
Hint: it's NOT eirigi!!