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Tuesday May 20, 2008 14:14
by Kieran O'Sullivan - Irish Anti-War Movement
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Jump To Comment: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12On the IAWM website linked to above , the Sunday meeting is announced as the AGM of the IAWM .It lists the membership requirements for attendees : “All paid up members are entitled to attend the AGM” etc
On the same page it shows a poster billing the meeting as a “No to War No To Lisbon Special Public Conference”. The poster doesn’t mention the IAWM AGM and the AGM announcement doesn’t mention the No to war No to Lisbon special conference :it only lists a two hour session on “The Lisbon Treaty Neutrality And EU Militarisation”.
There seems to be some confusion.
Its quite clear that the only confusion is in your mind. A section of the conference is specifically dedicated to The Lisbon Treaty. The AGM also takes place on the same day at the same venue.
I don't know whether you are speaking for the IAWM or if you are just being rude on your own behalf , but the issue is not clear. The AGM is listed as a members meeting .The poster is announcing a Public conference. Can you not see that there is a distinction?
If the poster was put up somewhere other than on the IAWM website ,people could turn up to the Royal Dublin Hotel on Sunday thinking that they were going to attend a public conference on Lisbon , only to be told that they were at the AGM of the IAWM ,and that they had to take out membership of that organization in order to gain admittance.
On Saturday May 24th, in the Royal Dublin Hotel, the Irish Anti War Movement is organising two Public sessions on the International Situation at 11.00 and at 1.30 after lunch on the Lisbon Treaty . Both sessions will have international speakers and ARE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC........
After the end of the second session, those who want to stay could follow proceedings, participate but NOT vote in the IAWM AGM - with 12 resolutions and elections. Only paid up members of the organisation will have the right to vote and get elected.
I don't think there is any confusion.......
Details fo the speakers in the Events section of Indymedia
The AGM of the Irish Anti War Movement in which twelve motions will be discussed and a steering committee elected , is fitted in at the end of an anti-Lisbon conference .From 15:45 - 17:30 , that’s 105 minutes . Eight minutes for each resolution to be proposed debated and voted on , five minutes to elect the steering committee with four minutes left over to sum up ,thank everyone for coming etc. I don’t see how that is going to work Michael , I really can’t see the membership putting up with that.
Very nice Poster!
Poster in Dublin City
I really can’t see the membership putting up with that.
the "members" will of course put up with it , and without a word of complaint.
Firstly nobody knows who the members are. And secondly any fool with a fiver can be a member anyway. Which of course dis empowers everybody,
The IAWM is democratic exactly the same as Ireland is democratic. Members are free to be spectators , but kept strictly out of anything that matters.
That is why the IAWM hardly exist outside the SWP.No self respecting person would not involve themselves in this farce.
Secondly the majority of the "members" who show up, or a very large proportion, will be the SWP seat fillers who are normally bussed in for such events.
They will vote strictly to the party line. So in fact there is only one member that matters. Mr Central committee.
Richard Boyd Barrett who is desperate for a career job in the system he claims to want to destroy monopolizes the chair for the seventh successive year.
Makes the rest look like spineless idiots doesn't it?
...nails on the head has he just hit? More than one. Very well said.
It was a good day yesterday.
All three sessions were packed - and, interestingly, different sets of people came for each session. The Lisbon session was particularly animated.
Anonymous best-wishers can moan and groan as much as they like, comrades continuing to work hard can be called as many names as you wish ["spineless idiots" was the latest literary flourish], but the iawm continues to function and grow.
Thanks to all fo you who were there yesterday and, despite the hardship, continue to read and comment in Indymedia
Details of the meetings and the resolutions to follow
Michael Y wrote that details on the AGM and on its resolutions would follow - that was a week ago . There have been no reports of the meetings either here or on the iawm website since . This suggests to me that there is something seriously wrong with the organization .
The IAWM webmaster put up a notice on the 28th May advertising a CAEUC public meeting . Other than that there has been nothing said publicly by the organization this week at all . War against Iran could be only a few months away .This is not just my opinion or the view of a few anonymous moaners and groaners on indymedia . Newspapers around the world are speculating about whether Israel will use the remaining days of the Bush presidency to make new ‘facts on the ground’ in the middle-east .
Just yesterday former German foreign minister and Vice Chancellor Joschka Fischer wrote in the Lebanon Daily Star that an Israeli attack on Iranian nuclear facilities is likely to take place in the near future. http://www.indymedia.ie/article/87777
Nobody can say for certain how things are going to pan out of course , but given the threats coming from Israel and America , the silence from the IAWM is bewildering.
"Details of the meetings and the resolutions to follow"
To date there has been no report either here or on the IAWM ‘s own website of this public meeting/AGM . It would be interesting to hear how the debates on the twelve AGM resolutions went .
On its website the IAWM has no mention of the threats being made on a daily basis by America and its allies against Iran , but it has found room to reprint uncritically an article from last Sunday’s Tribune calling for sanctions against Zimbabwe .
see: http://www.irishantiwar.org/node/228