Provos Have Adopted Unionist Position

by Cael - Sinn Féin Fri May 16, 2008 22:46

Kevin, I dont want to answer for Richard, but here is my view on what you wrote, for what its worth. We would all like nothing more than peace - but not at any price. Marty might be happy now with the perks and pomp of high Crown Office, but he wasnt always like that. There was a time when he would have ordered a young man shot for much less. These cases are well documented, so there is no need to list them here. There is a lot wrong with Ireland today - and not just partition. Sinn Féin Poblachtach would be neglecting its duty not to shine a light on these injustices. It would be very easy to just fall in with the cosy consensus of the ruling elite, but RSF will not be doing that. We see that PSF have adopted Neo-liberal policies and are closing down hospitals, privatising public facilities and inflicting water charges. Now you may regard this as positive/progressive activity, but I certainly do not.

by Kevin T. Walsh - Social Justice and Ethics Fri May 16, 2008 22:05

Mr. Walsh

I have been reading your article. You intrigue me. Everything is criticism of what you do not like happening right now. As you are Director of Republican Sinn Fein publicity, you should be aware of the plain difference of a Republican movement and some dissidents (ex whatever..). McGuinness has brought stability and peace in Northern Eire a long way. He stuck his neck out, taken flack and ridicule, and borne it all out with dignity. McGuinness does not have to prove his CV to anyone in the Republican movement, especially you Richard. I will always respect people's view that the Brits should not be here but the winds have changed and so has the Island of Ireland.

The young people of Ireland now are progressive, well educated and more importantly non violent people. O yes, there is high crime, murder, robberies, there are major health issues in our hospitals. Down the line, we may have problems with integration so Richard - please give me your view and that of your Party as to how we will solve these problems. The point I am making is the War is over. Democracy eventually won out on both sides and the bomb and the bulet thankfully is gone. O don't worry, I am not forgetting Castle Derg the other night and I totally condemn it, like many Repulican people.

It is fair to say that any operation of action in the last number of years was a complete Fawlty Towers. There were numerous arrests and infiltration was heavy. The cards have changed and dissidents are up against a very heavy stacked deck. What this island needs now is Peace, Tranquility and Equality for all people - Catholic Protestant and multicultural. Our prisons need a total make-over to try and rehabilitate young offenders and help them get full employment.

Mr. Walsh, or may I call you Richard - what is your view on the Lisbon Treaty?

Try and be creative and progressive in the fulfillment of peace and tranquility on this Island. Martin McGuinness finds peace when he is fishing on the Foyle river, with his old friend Bishop Hegarty.

Kevin T. Walsh

by sebastian Fri May 16, 2008 02:11

desecration? was it in a church?

by True Republican Thu May 15, 2008 21:40

RSF did not join with the 26-County police. They simply prevented the desecration of a Republican monument themselves, and rightly so. And it was local members.

by cop on Wed May 14, 2008 23:35

Yeah, when the RSF joined the gardaí in stopping a Galway Alliance against War action recently, it was all local people who turned up. No one from outside the area. Oh no.

by Cael - Sinn Féin Wed May 14, 2008 22:33

Actually RSF are noted among left wing groups as one of the few organisations that DONT bus in crowds for events, but depend on local support. there are very few left wing groups other than RSF that can depend on local turn outs in small villages all over Ireland for commemorations, functions, etc.

by amazed Wed May 14, 2008 16:58

Wbat are you actually talking about don, are you at all familiar with RSF? ITs already been explained to you that both you and Martin are in the wrong here. Stop playing games and playing stupid would you?

by dan wan Wed May 14, 2008 13:27

RSF have a flying column of supporters that go from commemeration to commemeration and good for them but very little activities in local communities. If there planning to get involved well good for them, i'll salute there intent but as it stands mcguinness is right, there cards are marked poorly.

by Ceal - Sinn Fein Mon May 12, 2008 18:44

Don wan, any usefull policies the provies have were created by the likes of O Bradaigh and O Connaill. Since then, RSF have been developing much more interesting ideas on creating genuine democracy to Ireland. PSF have merely joined the elite who's main aim is to deny democracy to the Irish people. RSF are involved with communities all over Ireland, doing their best to help create community democracy; economic and social.

by don wan Sun May 11, 2008 19:50

mcguinnes is right. what do rsf do but sit around waiting for the next betrayal from the provo's that was 10 times worse than the last great betrayal and so on. bulshit the sun still rises tomorrow. if you want to lead people try and inspire them. do some work come up with some alternatives. back in the day thats what the provo's did and it got them of the ground. eirigi have copped on to this and the 32's around derry. rsf unfortunatly have not.

by Cael - Sinn Fein Sun May 11, 2008 16:37

I see that the provies have not only adopted a Unionist position, but a Neo-liberal one too.

Crown Minister for six county regional development, Conor Murphy, decided to privatise all public ports this year. In February, Murphy announced that the six county Trust Ports would “cease to be public corporations”.

The ports in Belfast, Derry, Coleraine and Warrenpoint will now compete against each other as private entities, opening the way for private companies to take over. Between 2003 and 2005, Belfast Harbour alone made over £44m in profits. To add insult to injury, £14m of public money will be invested in Belfast Harbour between 2006 and 2010 for the new private owners.

by Plotinus Sat May 10, 2008 07:17

"There is a lot to be said for the claim that all RSF do is carry on pointless protests (usually involved with Croke Park ) or issue press statements about Sinn Fein which no one outside RSF reads except on indymedia."

I'm not a member of RSF but this is just silly. What exactly does this have to do with the subject on hand?
What exactly is pointless about these protests? What differentiates them from other protests?
What exactly is inaccurate about this statement that seems bother you so greatly?
Perhaps you should have thought about how to counter the statement instead of trying to change the subject.
Unless of course your just trolling the topic.

by 1986 Fri May 09, 2008 21:58

There is a lot to be said for the claim that all RSF do is carry on pointless protests (usually involved with Croke Park ) or issue press statements about Sinn Fein which no one outside RSF reads except on indymedia.

Maybe if you actually did something- where are the RSF iniatives on the problems facing Ireland today? Real things, not press releases calling for this and that etc etc

You only have to consider the fact that all the RSF commemorations are of things that happened before the split in 1986 when the party was born. Has no one in RSF done anything since then worth commemorating?

by easy Fri May 09, 2008 20:39

Regards number two no one else has ever bothered to put forward such a formula.

by southern comfort Fri May 09, 2008 08:42

"..we in Republican Sinn Féin are committed to the ending of English rule in Ireland and the emancipation of the Irish people.”

1. How are you going to do that without persuading the moderate unionists - Is republicanism always to be a matter of preaching to the converted and ignoring everyone else?

2. Maybe we don't want the RSF formula for emancipation, but someone else's?

by PH Wed May 07, 2008 17:08

Provos have adopted Unionist Position; well Marty has, Firstly as Bigot Ian's deputy and now as Robinson's deputy in what is little more than a Puppet Unionist Controlled Government in Stormont.

by amazed Wed May 07, 2008 16:56

Maithu, what do "others who do" ACTUALLY DO? Work for and administer foriegn rule in part of their country??? Yes thats DOING something, but its DOING something wrong. Even IF it was true that RSF did nothing it can't be laid at their feet that they:

1) support and shore up partition
2) support and shore up the British presense
3) Are corrupt as the day is long
4) Are paid CROWN employees

et al. I could go on all day with what these people DO, if thats what you want RSF to Do Don't hold your breath - RSF is here to ensure there is STILL Republicanism. So even if RSF 'did nothing' look at what others are claiming as accomplishments FFS Given the choice between doing nothing and doing wrong DO NOTHING. It isnt all about money lads! Its about doing teh right thing, for Republicans anyway its about whats right, for provos it seems its all about hand outs.

As for Sam you clearly have no understanding of what Republican politics are so please do not misrepresent them. RSF is seeking to end division UNLIKE those who 'work' partition for their own benifit. The above press release gets it 100% right the party led by gerry adams is no more than a unionist party. It has been acting as one for for years now Martin has admitted it. Eire Nua is an Irish authored plan for British disengagement from Ireland with power being brought into the hands of working men and women in a new truly peaceful 32 county Republic., The GFA is a BRITISH plan that legitamised their occupation ,criminalized struggle and put back the Republic of Pearse and Connolly further away than EVER. That says it ALL about the differences between provos and RSFers.

by sam Wed May 07, 2008 16:05

I heard a thing recently, "You don't make peace with your freinds, but with your enemies"
I'm not quite sure how RSF can talk of ending division. All they seem to want is perpetual division, just with "The other side" in the minority.
The real task for everyone on this sorry bit of land IS to end division, but that entails learning to live with others who don't agree with you.

by maiththu Wed May 07, 2008 11:50

I think the point is that you havent actually done anything to address the problem except give out about SF and put press releases on indymedia. Im 21...same age as you guys....ive done more in 6 months than you have since the year you were formed.
where credits due i do believe that RSF is committed to Brit withdrawl from the 6 cos, but the point is that you're not actually doing anything except talking about it and giving out about others who do.
no disrespect or anything but its just my opinion.

by Norman Wed May 07, 2008 09:04

The reality of the situation is that the majority of the people of Northern Ireland wish to remain citizens of the UK.
Violence was never going to persuade the Unionists otherwise.
The armed struggle was a waste of time, effort and innocent human life.
Irish unity will only be achieved by consent.
Unionists are not going to consent to Irish unity in this generation or the next if ever.