RUC/PSNI seriously assault 32CSM member.

by Barry - 32 csm Mon Apr 28, 2008 23:15

The Royal Irish regiment , Royal Ulster Rifles , Dublin fusileers ,Irish guards etc were and are most definitely regiments of the Britih army despite the Irish origins of those who joined them . The PSNI is most definitely a British police force in Ireland, constituted , trained , paid , equipped very heavily armed by Britian , operating under the direction of the British military intelligence services .
Your logic would dictate the RIC , RUC as well as the aforementioned British army regiments werent actually British forces because there was Irish people in them . Which of course is ridiculous .

As is this rubbish

"his 32CSM (glad to see your finally admitting membership at last)"

. Gary Donnelly has openly and proudly been a public spokesperson for 32 csm for some considerable time now , years in fact . Your puzzling inference that some denial of this very public fact has taken place is ridiculous also .

by What? Mon Apr 28, 2008 03:01

Can Barry advise what percentage of this 'foreign' police force is born and bred in Northern Ireland?

I would wager there are more Irishmen in the PSNI that his 32CSM (glad to see your finally admitting membership at last)

by tomeile Sun Apr 27, 2008 13:01

In fairness , Rooster does have a point –the educational standards would probably have to be substantially lowered to get a fifty- fifty catholic /protestant mix in the PSNI ,if we assume that most of the RC recruits would be from a nationalist background. The PSNI is a continuation of the RUC - a bastion of sectarian bigotry whose main role is in preserving the union with Britain . No nationalist with any brains would want to join such a shower ,so allowances would obviously have to be made for a lowering of the average intelligence levels in the force . But I really can't see how that would make much of a difference at an operational level .

by Hen Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:42

"Assuming that all candidates are equal if the police service is recruiting 50% RC and less than 50% protestant and the majority of numbers applying are protestants then it stands to reason that because there is more competition for the protestant jobs that the average standard of protestant police officer is higher."

Personally I don't think anyone should join that criminal enterprise refered to as the RUC/PSNI.
But....

RC supplicants have only just started applying to the RUC/PSNI so naturally as many spots won't be vacant.
You said "Assuming that all candidates are equal" means that the quality can't go down unless you think that RCs are somehow just naturally less qualified than their protestant compatriots? Or do you think they hire any ol' catholic that shows up?

And your right he can claim to be anyone. And perhaps the internet isn't the best place to air grievances. But do you really think that the higher ups have time for these "lower standard" untermensch types?

And you think that theres only NOW discrimination in hiring for the RUC/PSNI in the six? Surely your joking.

by rooster Sun Apr 27, 2008 11:02

"What proof do you have that standards were lowered?"

Assuming that all candidates are equal if the police service is recruiting 50% RC and less than 50% protestant and the majority of numbers applying are protestants then it stands to reason that because there is more competition for the protestant jobs that the average standard of protestant police officer is higher

"I didn't read anywhere in his post that he was unable to do his job only that he was harassed."
I reda his post also little hen, but this is an anonymous board, he could claim to be the Queen of Sheba but that doesn't make it true. If he was harrassed or bullied he should report it and have it dealt with in the proper channels, not type about it on the internet.

The bottom line. The new legislation made discrimination legal.

by Hen Sun Apr 27, 2008 09:03

So the standards were lowered for RCs? What proof do you have that standards were lowered?
I didn't read anywhere in his post that he was unable to do his job only that he was harassed.
Please address his complaint and don't troll.

by rooster Sun Apr 27, 2008 08:37

since anti-protestant discrimination became part of legislation the entry standards for RC officers have had to be reduced in order for the Police to meet their RC quota. This has meant that the standard of catholic officer is now not as high as their protestant counterparts. This was inevitable and easily forecast but such was the desperation to bring the RC percentages up to a desired level!

by EX Officer - n/a Sat Apr 26, 2008 22:13

When i read this story i was not surprised by its content. I was daft enough to join the PSNI in 2004 because i was silly enough to belive things had changed. What i seen as an officer in Omagh shall haunt me forever. I was also treated very badly by my so-called colleagues because i believed in Human Rights and believed in standing up for my family and the truth. Officers in the PSNI ONLY tell the truth when a lie does not fit. I was also threatened by a close friend of one of the ACC's that my family would be wiped out if i took my story publicly. I lasted only several months on the beat. I am so glad i resigned from the PSNI. It is a very corrupt force. In fact i see very strong resemblences of the Nazis. God help this country with a force like the PSNI.

by WT Fri Dec 28, 2007 22:05

Aye, Republicanism has become a nice little earner for some...

by Barry - 32 csm Fri Dec 28, 2007 20:57

Some of the heavies engaged in bar security , employed by the Deputy First ministers brother , also double up as PSNI members , when they arent working for ESNI .

by WT Fri Dec 28, 2007 20:37

I thought that certain people were going to put manners in them? But then again they, the PSNI / RUC are now serving a useful role. Certain people no longer have to send out their heavies to kick the shit out of those they see as a threat when they have the State Police to do it for them.
Their heavies are now more profitably used in bar security.

by home for the holidays - SEA Fri Dec 28, 2007 18:45

By tacking the SEA statement onto the end of the comment about Gary Donnelly's assault - which should be condemned by anyone who is against police brutality - the implication is that the young fella Davy McAuley is talking about is a nationalist. Indeed, Barry even talks about the statement criticising the PSNI for stalking and harassing 'nationalist youth' in the city. Yet, there is no evidence that the young man in question is a nationalist. He lives in the Brandywell, which is a mainly nationalist area. However, the fact that he turned to the SEA for support suggests that he is NOT a nationalist.

Interestingly, Barry also omits Davy McAuley's assertion that many of the complaints of police harassment that the SEA receives are from the Protestant community. But that fact does not suit the republican agenda, does it?

Here is the full SEA statement of 20th Dec 2007:

"The PSNI tell us that they are striving for acceptance in all parts of the community", says Socialist Environmental Alliance spokesperson, Davy McAuley.

But, he says, "the behaviour of some PSNI members shows that they couldn’t care less what people - especially young people - think of them.

"Some officers seem to take a delight in taunting teenagers.

"One teenager from the Brandywell area who complained about harassment by a named officer earlier this month has since been stalked and threatened by the same officer. Promises by senior PSNI members to look into that the complaint have made no difference.

"Many people are now nervous about complaining to the Police Ombudsman in case they suffer retaliation. Some policemen seem to want to provoke young people into a reaction which would justify arrests.

Mr McAuley continued "These sorts of complaints have come to the SEA from Protestant as well as Catholic areas. The most recent complaints refer to the Brandywell/Bogside. It is about time representatives of the mainstream parties spoke out. Some who were very critical of the police in the past now seem reluctant to take a stand because they want to be seen as supporting the police. This leaves the young people at the receiving end of police misbehaviour with nowhere to turn.

"Young people are condemned day in and day out for “anti-social behaviour.” From the point of view of residents in some areas who are at the end of their tether, this is justified. But the behaviour of some PSNI members is also anti-social and deserves just as much condemnation.

"If senior officers in the Foyle Division are as serious about addressing these problems as they say they are, they should call off the bullies in uniform now."

And, by the way, anyone who thinks that if the cops get away with beating up Gary Donnelly it won't affect the Left, or trade unionists, or those with whose politics we can agree, needs to learn from history. If they get away with this, who knows who will be next? "They came for the Jews.....etc"

by Derry Boy Wed Dec 26, 2007 22:02

Why would other politicians bother to show support for this guy as he is a complete scumbag who is well known locally as a bully and a thug. Why are people here in Derry not kicking up a stink about this, especially Republicans? Because this is payback, because Donelly's exploits are well known and no matter how much bullshit you try to spread about the supposed non-existant link between the RIRA and the 32 CSM, Donelly is known as a member. Now please, spare us all this bleeding heart bullshit. There are decent vicims of the RUC/PSNI out there who could use support. Try standing up for them instead of some prick who thinks nothing about beating the shit out of his own people....

by Barry - 32 csm Wed Dec 26, 2007 17:42

According to this weeks Derry Journal Gary Donnelly and his partner were assaulted in broad daylight in the middle of Derry whilst christmas shopping last year . In turn they were themselves charged with assaulting PSNI officers . The charges against them were thrown out last week .

""Derry's Resident Magistrate, Mr. Barney McElholm, has hit out at the PSNI after a Derry man and his partner had assault charges against them dismissed on Friday.
Gary Donnelly and Orla Brady had been charged with assaulting police after an incident last December at the bottom of Shipquay Street.

At the time Mr. Donnelly told the Sunday Journal that his partner and himself had been out Christmas shopping when they were stopped and then attacked by a number of police officers and subsequently arrested. The pair were later charged with assault.

The case began several weeks ago but only concluded on Friday when the charges were dismissed. Mr. McElholm said he had doubts about the whole legality of the police stopping Mr. Donnelly and added that there was nothing in the Terrorism Act that allowed the police simply to stop people out walking about.

He also hit out at the way the police had behaved stating that Ms Brady had been forced to the ground in an ‘unnecessary and forceful’ manner. Mr. McElholm also commented on the evidence of some of the police officers. He said he did not accept there had been an assault on one of them and said that in his 20 years experience he had never seen a police officer who claimed not to be able to remember anything about the incident and simply read from his statement.

Speaking after the case Mr. Donnelly and Ms Brady’s solicitor Mr. Paddy MacDermott said that his clients would now be pursuing a civil case against the Chief Constable and the matter wasstill under investigation by the Police Ombudsman.

Mr. Donnelly, a leading dissident republican, said: “This is the second time within the space of a matter of months that assault charges against us have been dropped because there never was a case in the first place. On both occasions the RUC/PSNI stopped my partner and myself and then assaulted us. Then we ended up charged with assault.

“In this case we had over 50 witnesses who saw what happened and the CCTV backed up everything we said had happened and once again the RUC/PSNI had been exposed for the armed thugs that they are.”

Ms Brady also hit out at local politicians. “After the latest assault I called on local politicians to come to court to see just how ridiculous the cases against us were. It seems that none of them could be bothered to turn up. And these same politicians are calling on people to support the RUC/PSNI.” ""

The full article contains 431 words and appears in Journal Sunday newspaper.

A year later Gary Donnelly is in turn viciously assaulted once more , his arm broken in 3 places , and yet again charged with assaulting PSNI officers .

Socialist Environmental Alliance spokesperson, Davy McCauley has gone on to criticise thse armed British thugs for harassing and stalking nationalist youths in Derry city . He points out , just like Garys partner Orla , that local politicians including sinn fein are turning a blind eye to the PSNIs thuggish behaviour ij order to bolster their attempts to drum up support for the British police in Ireland .

"" The PSNI in Derry were accused of acting like "bullies in uniform" in their attitude to young people.
The comment was made by Socialist Environmental Alliance spokesperson, Davy McCauley after a Brandywell teenager claimed he had been the victim of a campaign of harassment from the PSNI.

The young man claimed he was first approached by a PSNI officer on the Walls a number of weeks ago and that the same officer has been harrasing him ever since.

The SEA’s Mr. McCauley said the young man reported the incident to the PSNI and was told it would be investigated. "One teenager from the Brandywell area who complained about harassment by a named officer earlier this month has since been stalked and threatened by the same officer. Promises by senior PSNI members to look into that the complaint have made no difference,” he said.

Mr. McCauley also said the behaviour of the PSNI towards young people could be described as ‘anti-social’. "Young people are condemned day in and day out for ‘anti-social behaviour.’ From the point of view of residents in some areas who are at the end of their tether, this is justified. But the behaviour of some PSNI members is also anti-social and deserves just as much condemnation. Some policemen seem to want to provoke young people into a reaction which would justify arrests. If senior officers in the Foyle Division are as serious about addressing these problems as they say they are, they should call off the bullies in uniform now.” he said.

The SEA spokesperson, who stood as a local government election candidate in 2005, also called on local politicians to put pressure on the police.

“It is about time representatives of the mainstream parties spoke out. Some who were very critical of the police in the past now seem reluctant to take a stand because they want to be seen as supporting the police. This leaves the young people at the receiving end of police misbehaviour with nowhere to turn,” "

The full article contains 457 words and appears in Journal Sunday newspaper.

by Orange Rooster Mon Dec 03, 2007 08:19

that his wife was a catholic

by RICKY - ORANGE Tue Nov 27, 2007 19:17

Your opening paragraph about the Prince of Orange is quite strange considering William Third had Roman Catholics fighting for him in his army.

by Seaicilín F Sun Nov 25, 2007 00:39

To: Ricky ("Admirer of the Evil Warlord, William of the House of Orange - he, that rejoiced in murdering countless Catholics!"),

At least we agree on something, the British Military Police ("PSNI") have, indeed, failed everyone in the justice department, as all their capable of doing is committing the same human rights' abuses over and over again for and on behalf of the British Establishment. I firmly believe that there shall be neither peace nor justice to be found in the six counties while Britain remains in control.

The Enniskillen bombing was an appalling atrocity to all decent people, and I find it very hard to comprehend what possessed people to plant a bomb on such a sensitive day, when people were commemorating their war dead the world over - it was truly an event both shocking and horrific in the extreme. The atrocity did nothing to advance the cause of Irish freedom but alienated communities further and caused utter misery and outrage instead. I have no time for the British imperialist army, but everyone the world over should have a fundamental right to respect and honour their own war dead in peace and safety.

I will state again, and I am 'withered' stating it, I never approved of the killing of any Protestant person, as that would be sectarian, and unlike the Orange Order - I am not sectarian!

Returning to the news item you should have commented on but chose to ignore instead, I believe the behaviour of the PSNI in this case reveals once again their intense hatred of people who openly hold nationalist and republican views and who are entitled to actively pursue the goal of Irish freedom and to vehemently oppose British rule in Ireland.

by RICKY - ORANGE ORDER Sat Nov 24, 2007 22:33

Yes Seaicilin, theres no justice . 20 years after the sectarian mass murder of 12 Protestants in the Poppy day bomb at Enniskillen, not one IRA scumbag has been brought to justice for it.

by Citizen of the Republic Sat Nov 24, 2007 20:07

http://www.sundayjournal.ie/news/39Cops-broke-my-arm39....08.jp

by Seaicilín F Sat Nov 24, 2007 18:06

Here, we have an account of the PSNI threatening to shoot a fellow Irish citizen and then later on brutally assaulting him, to such a degree he suffers fractures and, meanwhile, some people on this island think we should accept such a brutal foreign police force in our country and turn a blind eye to their acts of brutality? What is wrong with some people - this man endured a horrific attack perpetrated by the PSNI, and no reason in the world could be found to make that acceptable to me!

Every citizen of the six counties should be entitled to join any political organisation of their choosing and be permitted to express openly their views, regardless of what the PSNI think of them.

I hope Gary Donnelly will recover from his many injuries soon. He should be compensated by the British for those injuries, although I would not 'hold my breath', as there's no justice to be had in the six counties whilst subjected to British rule.

A Gary, Ádh mór ort!

by Barry - 32 csm Sat Nov 24, 2007 00:15

http://www.bbc.co.uk/northernireland/radiofoyle/program...shtml

Interview between Gary Donnelly ( post triple arm fracture) and Sinn Feins Raymond McCartney on BBC radio , click Fridays show

by Barry - 32 csm Fri Nov 23, 2007 00:08

it has been pointed out to the Irish media on numerous occasions , but apparently they are more in the know about the relationship between 32 cm and other groups than 32 csm themselves

as for the rest of it , well..im not sure i should even have bothered replying to this rubbish

by Evenmore Bemused Thu Nov 22, 2007 23:04

Barry I think you need to put this fact to the majority of the Irish media as if you check back through their archives you will see many references to the 32 County Movement being the political wing of the real ira.

There seems to be a great deal of people in Ireland who suffer from this delusion as well.

Maybe you, as part of 32 CSM, not associated with the RIRA, would like to condemn the RIRA for such actions as the Omagh massacre and for burning down businesses in the North and costing people their jobs? After all, any decent person would.

Or maybe you are just talking a load of crap.

by Barry - 32 csm Thu Nov 22, 2007 00:30

32 csm dont have a military wing . Nor are they the political wing of any armed organisation . Its been amply demonstrated throughout Irish history that such a relationship is internally undemocratic , therefore we do not persue such a relationship .

by Bemused Wed Nov 21, 2007 21:21

"the 32 csm does not engage in armed attacks "
What about their paramilitary wing, the RIRA?

by Barry - 32 csm Wed Nov 21, 2007 01:55

the 32 csm does not engage in armed attacks . The ALF does not shoot peelers .
If the creation of a 32 county free state was all you were about then im not suprpised your so demoralised and plagued with low expectations . The objective is democracy at its maximum expression and the defence of national sovereignty in all its forms . If the Irish people dont possess the dignity to persue dignity then theyll live in an undignified manner untill they do .
if you choose not to persue it in any manner thats your prerogative , but the onus is also on you to point out some , any ,kind of alternative rather then just urge people not to attempt to persue it .

by Big Mac Tue Nov 20, 2007 21:15

I was once proud to call myself a Republican and spent a great part of my life in jail for my beliefs. I saw many young friends and comrades die. Then gradually I saw the changes first in the $F leadership then in the IRA the move towards politics and accepted defeat and all the time no matter what, the rank and file followed their heros some in disbelief at what was happening but at the same time believing that Gerry and Martin had a cunning plan.
To cut a long story short we have the IRA involved in criminality and killings, while $F representatives try to label their victims as criminals. We have a $F minister who makes Thatcherite attacks on the Unions 26 years after Bobby and the Hunger Strikers died to defeat the Real Thatcher's criminalisation policy.
To the 32CSM and others who think that they can remove the British with attacks no more effective than those of Animal rights organisations I say wise up no one wants your embarrassing war. What do you hope to achieve? Unity with a corrupt state? Sure you'll get that in a Federal Europe when it comes.

by Andy Martin - 32 County Sovereignty Movement Mon Nov 19, 2007 20:02

My Name is Andy Martin, i can stand by everything i say, what is your name hypocrites? can you?

by Barry - 32 csm Mon Nov 19, 2007 01:31

There is rarely any interest when a 32 csm member is subjected to such treatment . Assaults and arrests on the street against 32 csm members , and Gary Donnelly in particular , have occured regularly in Derry over the years . But the most recent has been the most serious to date .
The media believe its more important not to cover it as opposed to it not being important . Its just they dont want people to get the idea its important . Dont expect a 32 csm press release to get any media coverage , particularly if it paints the PSNI in their true colours .

by skate1968 Mon Nov 19, 2007 00:21

I've been trying to google this story. But this is the only story that i can find. I wonder why other news websites are not covering this. Is story being censored? Is this a 'make believe' story that never happened? Do people not think this is important?

by Republican Socialist - NoNE Sun Nov 18, 2007 21:38

Best wishes to Gary following this recent attack on him by the RUC/PSNI. At this time it is important that solidarity remands high between republicans, socialists, radicals, anti-imperialists etc. I attended Saturdays solidarity protest against this assualt as did many many others. Lets keep up this gesture as the trial of the Raytheon 9 is due to start in the morning, Monday 19th November 2007.

There will be a protest in support of the Nine at the War Memorial in Derry City Centre, which is a couple of hundred yards from the Court House at 9.30am on the morning of the 19h.

However, it is generally thought that this date will not see the actual start of the trial. This is because there are likely to be further legal arguments about a range of issues including Raytheon’s refusal to provide the documents requested by the defence team as part of the ‘discovery’ process.

The charges of criminal damage to the building to the amount of £22,000 and to Raytheon computer equipment and office furniture (no amount stated) have been restored, as expected, and together with the charge of affray, these are the charges on which the Nine will face trial. Also, it has been confirmed that no more than nine of the protesters are being charged.

by Barry - 32 csm Sun Nov 18, 2007 19:48

Gary is supposed to be due in court tomorrow along with the rest of the Raytheon 9 . One wonders is this an attempt to seperate him from the others and have him tried alone and out of the public eye

by John Sun Nov 18, 2007 15:35

I think this is a clear illustration that the RUC have not changed and are still here with the purpose of defending the illegal occupation and opposing true republicans. Best of wishes to this man.