New Events

International

no events posted in last week

Blog Feeds

Anti-Empire

Anti-Empire

offsite link The Wholesome Photo of the Month Thu May 09, 2024 11:01 | Anti-Empire

offsite link In 3 War Years Russia Will Have Spent $3... Thu May 09, 2024 02:17 | Anti-Empire

offsite link UK Sending Missiles to Be Fired Into Rus... Tue May 07, 2024 14:17 | Marko Marjanović

offsite link US Gives Weapons to Taiwan for Free, The... Fri May 03, 2024 03:55 | Anti-Empire

offsite link Russia Has 17 Percent More Defense Jobs ... Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:56 | Marko Marjanović

Anti-Empire >>

The Saker
A bird's eye view of the vineyard

offsite link Alternative Copy of thesaker.is site is available Thu May 25, 2023 14:38 | Ice-Saker-V6bKu3nz
Alternative site: https://thesaker.si/saker-a... Site was created using the downloads provided Regards Herb

offsite link The Saker blog is now frozen Tue Feb 28, 2023 23:55 | The Saker
Dear friends As I have previously announced, we are now “freezing” the blog.  We are also making archives of the blog available for free download in various formats (see below). 

offsite link What do you make of the Russia and China Partnership? Tue Feb 28, 2023 16:26 | The Saker
by Mr. Allen for the Saker blog Over the last few years, we hear leaders from both Russia and China pronouncing that they have formed a relationship where there are

offsite link Moveable Feast Cafe 2023/02/27 ? Open Thread Mon Feb 27, 2023 19:00 | cafe-uploader
2023/02/27 19:00:02Welcome to the ‘Moveable Feast Cafe’. The ‘Moveable Feast’ is an open thread where readers can post wide ranging observations, articles, rants, off topic and have animate discussions of

offsite link The stage is set for Hybrid World War III Mon Feb 27, 2023 15:50 | The Saker
Pepe Escobar for the Saker blog A powerful feeling rhythms your skin and drums up your soul as you?re immersed in a long walk under persistent snow flurries, pinpointed by

The Saker >>

Public Inquiry
Interested in maladministration. Estd. 2005

offsite link RTEs Sarah McInerney ? Fianna Fail supporter? Anthony

offsite link Joe Duffy is dishonest and untrustworthy Anthony

offsite link Robert Watt complaint: Time for decision by SIPO Anthony

offsite link RTE in breach of its own editorial principles Anthony

offsite link Waiting for SIPO Anthony

Public Inquiry >>

Voltaire Network
Voltaire, international edition

offsite link Netanyahu soon to appear before the US Congress? It will be decisive for the suc... Thu Jul 04, 2024 04:44 | en

offsite link Voltaire, International Newsletter N°93 Fri Jun 28, 2024 14:49 | en

offsite link Will Israel succeed in attacking Lebanon and pushing the United States to nuke I... Fri Jun 28, 2024 14:40 | en

offsite link Will Netanyahu launch tactical nuclear bombs (sic) against Hezbollah, with US su... Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:09 | en

offsite link Will Israel provoke a cataclysm?, by Thierry Meyssan Tue Jun 25, 2024 06:59 | en

Voltaire Network >>

Jihad in the UK

category international | anti-war / imperialism | opinion/analysis author Monday July 09, 2007 14:14author by Ed - ISN Report this post to the editors

The failed terrorist attacks in the UK have prompted another debate about the causes of such violence – and the ways to end it. Anyone who seeks to lay some of the blame at the door of western governments must expect a torrent of abuse from right-wing commentators and the “Cruise missile Left”, reinforced by a useful collection of house Muslims and renegade jihadists keen to put the spotlight on factors within the Muslim world that are beyond the influence of US / UK elites.

The failed terrorist attacks in the UK have prompted another debate about the causes of such violence – and the ways to end it. Anyone who seeks to lay some of the blame at the door of western governments must expect a torrent of abuse from right-wing commentators and the “Cruise missile Left”, reinforced by a useful collection of house Muslims and renegade jihadists keen to put the spotlight on factors within the Muslim world that are beyond the influence of US / UK elites (1).

Left-wingers should be willing to challenge this consensus, but it’s more essential than ever to be careful in phrasing the arguments, lest we leave ourselves open to accusations of “appeasement”. Take this typically contrarian view from Vincent Browne in the Irish Times after the bombings:

“There is a way out of this awful mess the West has artfully devised: require Israel to disengage from all the lands it acquired in and since 1967; require Israel to disengage from Gaza and all the West Bank; establish and fund a new Palestinian state (the funding must be generous); disengage from Iraq forthwith; stop threatening Iran and Syria; withdraw support from the dictators in Saudi Arabia and Pakistan and elsewhere; welcome Turkey into the EU; respect the Islamic religion and culture and stop the celebration of works that are seen to disparage Islam.” (2)

To take the last point first: most people will have taken Browne’s reference to “works that are seen to disparage Islam” as an allusion to the recent knighthood granted to Salman Rushdie. Let’s set aside whatever view we might have of Britain’s daft honours system. There was a time, of course, when Rushdie would surely have rejected the title of “Sir Salman” with contempt. The radical views he expressed in his early novels and essays are now firmly in the past, a sad by-product of his persecution by the Iranian theocracy (3). But let’s concentrate on the question Browne raises: was it wrong for the British government to honor a man whose work has provoked such anger in the Muslim world?

The answer is definitely “no”. “The Satanic Verses” may have outraged devout Muslims, but if we start pandering to such reactions, we might as well forget about subjecting any religion to critical, rational inquiry. Anyone who looks at the tenets of Islam or Christianity from any perspective other than total credulity is likely to offend believers.

And it won’t stop with religion either: the Malaysian government is currently trying to insulate itself from criticism by exploiting the taboo surrounding criticism of Muhammed. After an opposition politician posted a satirical photo-montage of the deputy prime minister on his website, the minister’s cabinet colleagues warned that if people were allowed to mock the country’s leaders, they would surely use the same freedom to insult the Prophet…(4)

The rest of Browne’s list is fine, but with two caveats. First of all, the US and its allies should certainly pull out of Iraq, pressurize Israel to negotiate a just peace with the Palestinians, and so on – but not as a response to terrorism. Western policies should be changed because those policies are immoral and unjust, not because they provoke terrorist attacks. It’s possible that western governments could provoke attacks by doing the right thing (after all, Osama Bin Laden (5) has cited the liberation of East Timor from Indonesia’s genocidal occupation as another “crime” against the Muslim world committed by the West). In that case, it would be right to carry on with the same policies. On the other hand, if changing policies that are wrong in themselves has the fortunate by-product of reducing terrorism, so much the better.

Secondly, we shouldn’t assume that if all the legitimate grievances Muslims hold against the West were removed, the jihadists inspired by Al-Qaeda would simply pack up their explosives and return to a life of pious contemplation. All we can reasonably hope is that the reservoir of hatred and resentment which they feed off would shrink dramatically. There would be fewer recruits and a much more limited audience for anti-western themes.

That’s about as far as it goes - there’s no prospect of any peace deal with Al-Qaeda. Israel could probably strike a bargain with Hamas and Hezbullah if it wanted to, but the network of Salafist radicals that emerged from the Afghan camps will never sit down around a negotiating table with anyone. As Lawrence Wright wrote in a study of post-9/11 jihadism for the New Yorker magazine:

“After coalition forces overran Al Qaeda compounds in Afghanistan in late 2001, they seized thousands of pages of internal memoranda, records of strategy sessions and ethical debates, and military manuals, but not a single page devoted to the politics of Al Qaeda …Beyond the simplistic notion of imposing a caliphate and establishing the rule of Islamic law, the leaders of the organization appear never to have thought about the most basic facts of government. What kind of economic model would they follow? How would they cope with unemployment, so rampant in the Muslim world? Where do they stand on the environment? Health care? The truth … is that the radical Islamists have no interest in government; they are interested only in jihad.” (6)

All we can really do in the face of such nihilism is to create the worst possible conditions for it to flourish. Unfortunately, western policy-making is in the hands of people who appear to be on a commission from Bin Laden. As Tony Blair takes up his new role as peace envoy to the Middle East (you may have to read that one a few times to let it sink in properly), the ideologues of holy war must be rubbing their hands with delight. And that means future bombings in Britain (and elsewhere) should be expected.

1) "The Islamist by Ed Hussein" -
http://arts.independent.co.uk/books/reviews/article2600...4.ece

2) "Reasons Muslims are angry" -
http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/opinion/2007/0704/1183....html

3) "Sir Salman's Long Journey" -
http://books.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,2105445,00....html

4) "Malaysian photomontage sparks row" -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6283056.stm

5) "Cyber Jihad"-
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n05/glas01_.html

6) "The Master Plan"-
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2006/09/11/060911fa_fact3

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   believe all you read and see...??     paul o toole    Tue Jul 10, 2007 00:13 
   A lot of poeple confuse the salafia network with Al Qaeda the "Terrorist" label.     iosaf    Tue Jul 10, 2007 16:43 
   Owner of the world trade centre     max    Wed Jul 11, 2007 01:27 
   Galloway a fool?     anti-war    Wed Jul 11, 2007 10:36 
   There are fools and bigger fools     MichaelY    Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:23 
   ?     Ed    Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:40 
   Questions answered     MichaelY    Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:48 
   words and meaning     ISN member    Wed Jul 11, 2007 11:50 
   Somebody call the police, a straw man is being viciously assaulted     Ed    Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:02 
 10   12.07.06     Anniversary    Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:06 
 11   "Pressurising"     Ed    Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:20 
 12   Of straw persons and the guards     MichaelY    Wed Jul 11, 2007 12:26 
 13   Enough already     Ed    Wed Jul 11, 2007 13:18 
 14   Imperialism and terrorism     ISN member    Wed Jul 11, 2007 16:03 
 15   Wording     Ed    Wed Jul 11, 2007 16:22 
 16   End of debate     MichaelY    Wed Jul 11, 2007 16:36 
 17   Dear oh dear     Ed    Wed Jul 11, 2007 16:46 
 18   Loath as I am to fuel the fire     Paul    Wed Jul 11, 2007 19:37 
 19   Irish Naysayers     Advocate of Peace    Wed Jul 11, 2007 19:42 
 20   Stranger talk     MichaelY    Wed Jul 11, 2007 20:34 
 21   jaysus christ     networker    Wed Jul 11, 2007 21:16 
 22   The truth     MichaelY    Wed Jul 11, 2007 22:23 
 23   The Bush 9-11 Commission on Terror and Counterterror     The Bush 9-11 Commission    Thu Jul 12, 2007 09:24 
 24   the truth (from another angle)     Baz    Thu Jul 12, 2007 09:49 
 25   Refracted angles distort facts     MichaelY    Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:26 
 26   More lies     Ed    Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:41 
 27   Legitimacy of debate     MichaelY    Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:18 
 28   Out of curiousity     Baz    Thu Jul 12, 2007 13:09 
 29   Peace in the middle east     Michael Martin    Thu Jul 12, 2007 13:20 
 30   I'm afraid you won't be able to silence me that easily Michael     Ed    Thu Jul 12, 2007 14:03 
 31   a thought on visual comments     iosaf    Thu Jul 12, 2007 15:56 
 32   An official of Hamas describes its goals     MichaelY    Thu Jul 12, 2007 16:28 
 33   Article On Hamas     pat c    Thu Jul 12, 2007 16:46 
 34   Palestine In Suicide     pat c    Thu Jul 12, 2007 18:37 
 35   A response     Paul    Fri Jul 13, 2007 00:33 
 36   hear hear     anti-war    Fri Jul 13, 2007 01:16 
 37   Worth a look     Ed    Fri Jul 13, 2007 07:43 
 38   A come back     MichaelY    Fri Jul 13, 2007 11:23 
 39   Reconsideration of certain points     MichaelY    Fri Jul 13, 2007 16:01 
 40   touching on that kurdish factor     iosaf mac diarmada    Fri Jul 13, 2007 19:42 
 41   MY MY     Baz    Fri Jul 13, 2007 21:02 
 42   Baz! MichaelY! This isn't a BB board! or 2 way conversation.     head-scratcher    Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:25 
 43   I'd like to report on a bit of pentagon chatter on Kurdistan, US withdrawl & Turkish mobilisation     iosaf does a gavel    Sat Jul 14, 2007 15:44 
 44   Trying to figure out motivations     Ed    Sat Jul 14, 2007 18:05 
 45   Thank God for people like you, MichaelY...     gavina    Wed Jul 18, 2007 01:38 
 46   East is East.....     Tony O' Reilly    Wed Jul 18, 2007 03:18 
 47   Far too sensible for me I'm afraid     Ed    Wed Jul 18, 2007 10:11 
 48   Please give it a rest for one day.     PaddyK    Wed Jul 18, 2007 11:51 
 49   Update     Ed    Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:18 
 50   wonderful addition Ed............but which muslims?     iosaf    Thu Jul 19, 2007 19:39 
 51   No Evidence Of Iran’s Role In Violence And Instability In Iraq     pat c    Fri Jul 20, 2007 10:55 


Number of comments per page
  
 
© 2001-2024 Independent Media Centre Ireland. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by Independent Media Centre Ireland. Disclaimer | Privacy