Seymour Hersh: Where is the Iraq war headed next?

by redjade Tue Nov 29, 2005 00:37

Video from
more text and comments at...
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/28.html#a6080

• Quicktime link (18megs - worth it if you like Hersh)
http://movies.crooksandliars.com/Late-Edition-Sy-.mov

Hersh:  They're beginning to talk about some of the things the president said to him about his feelings about manifest destiny, about a higher calling that he was talking about three, four years ago.  I don't want to sound like I'm off the wall here. But the issue is, is this president going to be capable of responding to reality? Is he going to be able -- is he going to be capable if he going to get a bad assessment, is he going to accept it as a bad assessment or is he simply going to see it as something else that is just a little bit in the way as he marches on in his crusade that may not be judged for 10 or 20 years.
He talks about being judged in 20 years to his friends. And so it's a little alarming because that means that my and my colleagues in the press corps, we can't get to him maybe with our views. You and you can't get to him maybe with your interviews.

How do you get to a guy to convince him that perhaps he's not going the right way?

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Juan Cole Says:
http://www.juancole.com/2005/11/us-air-power-to-replace-infantry-in.html
-Veteran journalist Seymour Hersh is reporting in the New Yorker that the Bush administration has decided to draw down ground troops in Iraq. Knowledgeable observers strongly suspect that this step would produce a meltdown and possibly even civil war in Iraq (which could become a regional war). Bush's strategy may be to try to control the situation using air power.'

Seymour Hersh

by Kelly Tue Nov 29, 2005 11:18

Hopefully the Iraqi people will form a socialist workers republic but don't count on it.
I believe that either an extremist Wahabbist Sunni party will come to power and using Iraq's enormous oil reserves will build nuclear chemical and biological weapons and train thousands of terrorists to use them against the West or else Iran will invade and both Iran and Iraq will emerge into a United Islamic Republic after which they will acquire nuclear weapons and rebuild their military infrastructure strike south into Saudi Arabia and from there unite the Arab world to invade Israel killing or expelling the entire Jewish population.
The Democrats and Republicans would turn on each other for losing the Middle East to Islamic fundementalism following which there would hundreds of massive terrorist attacks against Europe, Australia, Russia and the United States killing millions of people with WMD. Civil War would break out in the US as right wing groups and the military would stage a coup in order to launch an unrestrained war against the Middle East which would be actually a death struggle between capitalist superpowers China Russia the EU and America for the last oil reserves in the Persian Gulf - leading to nuclear war and the end of civilisation.
After a period of several thousand years the radiation would eventually fade and the few million surviving humans would live in a communist utopia as jungles and forest and herds of animals would return to the earth - peace and tranquility would reign on the planet
So everybody say it loud and say it clear!
END THE OCCUPATION!

by james Tue Nov 29, 2005 13:30

It is a terrible mess, i am unsure if they still retain the credibility to launch an attack on Iran, or the stomach for the causualties required.
Yeah they will be driven out if Iraq i hope, the fight the iraqies are mounting is unbelievable, and the harshness of the american retailiations can only be imagined.
Israel attacking Irans nuclear facilities is possible, however there would be retailiation, and also they would need to refuel over Iraq. No Iraqi would tolerate their government allowing an Israeli jet to refuel over their country on the way to attack Iran.

I hope the iraqies throw out america's latest imperial occupation just like they did to the british empire.

by redjade - { getting back into the blogging thang again :-) } Tue Nov 29, 2005 20:34

TROOP FATALITIES STEADILY INCREASING: As of last night, at least 2,107 U.S. troops had died in Iraq and over 15,500 had been wounded. Almost 94 percent of those deaths have come after President Bush stood below a banner declaring "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq. Of the total, nearly 60 percent -- 1,246 troops -- have died since the U.S. handover of sovereignty in late June 2004. Approximately three American soldiers are dying each day in Iraq this month -- roughly at the same pace as last month and at some of the highest casualty rates since the war began.

DAILY ATTACKS AT ALL-TIME HIGH: "Pentagon officials said that in October there were about 100 attacks a day in Iraq compared with 85 to 90 attacks a day in September

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NUMBERS WRAPPED IN ILLUSION: In February 2004, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld claimed, "there are over 210,000 Iraqis serving in the security forces.  That's an amazing accomplishment." Seven months later, in September 2004, Rumsfeld said that 95,000 trained Iraqi troops were taking part in security operations...

More at
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/apps/nl/newsletter2.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=917053

by redjade Tue Nov 29, 2005 20:36

US Negotiates Iraq War with 'Evil' Iranians
http://www.guardian.co.uk/worldlatest/story/0,1280,-5443889,00.html

The U.S. ambassador to Iraq has been given permission to meet with officials from Iran, a country with no diplomatic relations with the United States, the State Department said Monday.

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The U.S. has not had regular diplomatic relations with Iran since the Islamic revolution in 1979, and U.S. President George W. Bush has called Iran part of an ``axis of evil'' along with deposed President Saddam Hussein's Iraq and North Korea.

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Juan Cole says:
'US ambassador in Baghdad Zalmay Khalilzad is going to start direct talks with the Iranians.

Say what? Wasn't Scott Ritter saying only last winter that a Bush military attack on Iran was in the offing? What has changed?

Well...
1. The security situation in Iraq is deteriorating over time.
2. The Shiite religious parties won the Jan. 30 elections, which was not what Bush had hoped for.
3. The Neocons are going to jail or given sinecures, and their star is falling faster than the Chicxulub meteor that killed off the dinosaurs.'

[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicxulub_Crater ]

• Juan Cole Recommends for reading:
'Veteran journalist Jim Lobe has put it all together in a tight analysis I haven't seen elsewhere.'

Realists Tighten Grip as Talks Open with Iran
By Jim Lobe
http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=31217
'But others have warned against any steps that could be seen as granting the regime international legitimacy would be a mistake, particularly in light of the hard-line rhetoric of the country's controversial new president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

"On the one hand, I think it's a good idea to maintain back-channel contacts with adversaries," says Raymond Tanter, a former National Security Council staffer whose Iran Policy Committee has called for Washington to deploy the Iraq-based Mujahadin-e Khalq, which is listed as a "terrorist" group by the State Department, against Tehran.

"On the other hand, when you go public after Ahmadinejad says he wants to wipe Israel off the map, it seems to reward Iranian belligerence. I don't know why it's being done," he says.'

by redjade Tue Nov 29, 2005 20:52

Iraqi Shiite, Kurdish and Sunni leaders support 'legitimate right' of resistance
Nov 22 2005

Iraqi leaders at a reconciliation conference reached out to the Sunni Arab community by calling for a timetable for the withdrawal of U.S.-led forces and saying the country's opposition had a "legitimate right" of resistance.

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The communique condemned terrorism but was a clear acknowledgment of the Sunni position that insurgents should not be labeled as terrorists if they don't target innocent civilians or institutions that provide for the welfare of Iraqis.

The leaders agreed on "calling for the withdrawal of foreign troops according to a timetable, through putting in place an immediate national program to rebuild the armed forces ... control the borders and the security situation" and end terror attacks.

more at:
Iraqi Leaders Call for Pullout Timetable
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051122/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_conference

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Key Bush Intelligence Briefing Kept From Hill Panel

Ten days after the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon, President Bush was told in a highly classified briefing that the U.S. intelligence community had no evidence linking the Iraqi regime of Saddam Hussein to the attacks and that there was scant credible evidence that Iraq had any significant collaborative ties with Al Qaeda, according to government records and current and former officials with firsthand knowledge of the matter.

http://nationaljournal.com/about/njweekly/stories/2005/1122nj1.htm

by redjade Tue Nov 29, 2005 20:52

How U.S. Fell Under the Spell of 'Curveball'

The Iraqi informant's German handlers say they had told U.S. officials that his information was 'not proven,' and were shocked when President Bush and Colin L. Powell used it in key prewar speeches.

The German intelligence officials responsible for one of the most important informants on Saddam Hussein's suspected weapons of mass destruction say that the Bush administration and the CIA repeatedly exaggerated his claims during the run-up to the war in Iraq.

Five senior officials from Germany's Federal Intelligence Service, or BND, said in interviews with The Times that they warned U.S. intelligence authorities that the source, an Iraqi defector code-named Curveball, never claimed to produce germ weapons and never saw anyone else do so.

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The German authorities, speaking about the case for the first time, also said that their informant suffered from emotional and mental problems. "He is not a stable, psychologically stable guy," said a BND official who supervised the case. "He is not a completely normal person," agreed a BND analyst.

Curveball was the chief source of inaccurate prewar U.S. accusations that Baghdad had biological weapons, a commission appointed by Bush reported this year. The commission did not interview Curveball, who still insists his story was true, or the German officials who handled his case.

More at:
How U.S. Fell Under the Spell of 'Curveball'
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-curveball20nov20,0,2053900,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines

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Iraq Kurds Shortchanged, They Say, by Massive U.S. Cash Drop

IRBIL, Iraq — The $100 bills were all new. They came wrapped in plastic and loaded on wooden pallets. Altogether, the money weighed 15 tons, enough to fill three U.S. military helicopters. It totaled $1.4 billion.

In a little-known operation during the final days of the U.S.-run Coalition Provisional Authority, American military helicopters flew the shipment of cash to Irbil, Iraqi Kurdistan's largest city.

More at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/iraq/complete/la-fg-cashforkurds21nov21,1,6225085,full.story?coll=la-iraq-complete

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by redjade Tue Nov 29, 2005 21:47

MY GOODMAN: Last question, and that has to do with your last section of your piece on this composite American Special Forces team, known as the S.M.U., special mission unit, in Syria.

SEYMOUR HERSH: Well, there's more than one. There's many of them. You know, there's more than a handful of these units. Some are in Syria, some are other places. These are combined teams that have been set up, so not any one service isn’t involved.

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AMY GOODMAN: By the way, do you believe that the secret prisons are in Romania and Poland, as Human Rights Watch believes, that the Washington Post won't name, but exposed?

SEYMOUR HERSH: Well, Amy, I’m actually doing some more work on it. But I will tell you this, the C.I.A. prisons are there. There have been prisons, the C.I.A. has run prisons for many, many years around the world. And I’m sure terrible things happen. But that's actually not where the real game is. They're somewhere else.

AMY GOODMAN: Where?

SEYMOUR HERSH: Other places. I’m -- let me do my reporting, and I promise I’ll publish it, and I promise I’ll come and talk to you about it.

found at:
http://greyhairsblog.blogspot.com/2005/11/future-sy.html

Full Text at:
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/11/29/1458235

by redjade Tue Nov 29, 2005 22:03

Don't Bomb Us
(A blog by Al Jazeera Staffers)
http://dontbomb.blogspot.com/

Bush wanted to bomb al-Jazeera in Qatar (a US/K Ally)

• But UK Media has been threatened NOT to publish the memo...

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Legal gag on Bush-Blair war row
http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,,1648593,00.html
The attorney general, Lord Goldsmith, last night referred editors to newspaper reports yesterday that described the contents of a memo purporting to be at the centre of charges against two men under the secrets act.

Under the front-page headline "Bush plot to bomb his ally", the Daily Mirror reported that the US president last year planned to attack the Arabic television station al-Jazeera, which has its headquarters in Doha, the capital of Qatar, where US and British bombers were based.

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Under section 5 it is an offence to have come into the possession of government information, or a document from a crown servant, if that person discloses it without lawful authority. The prosecution has to prove the disclosure was damaging.
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• Bloggers around the world have offered to host the Memo on their servers, since the UK Media is so chicken shit...

'I will Publish the 'Bomb al Jazeera Memo''
http://www.pledgebank.com/bomb-document

Blog Button available at
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by redjade Tue Nov 29, 2005 22:29

'Trophy' video exposes private security contractors shooting up Iraqi drivers
UK Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2005/11/27/wirq27.xml&sSheet=/news/2005/11/27/ixworld.html
'A "trophy" video appearing to show security guards in Baghdad randomly shooting Iraqi civilians has sparked two investigations after it was posted on the internet, the Sunday Telegraph can reveal.  The video, which first appeared on a website that has been linked unofficially to Aegis Defence Services, contained four separate clips, in which security guards open fire with automatic rifles at civilian cars. All of the shooting incidents apparently took place on "route Irish", a road that links the airport to Baghdad'

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C&L has learned through sources close to the investigation that the man who is seen shooting vehicles on this video in Iraq was a South African employee of Aegis Victory team named Danny Heydenreycher. He served in the British military for 6 years. After the incident the Regional Director for Victory ROC tried to fire Heydenreycher, but the team threatened to resign if he did. Aegis held an "inquiry" into it.

A letter was sent by one of the members of Aegis up the chain after he quit. It was read by Lt Col Tim Spicer, a former Scots Guards officer...

read more:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/28.html#a6099

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Pentagon defends Spicer contract
(Apr 15 2005)
http://www.indymedia.ie/newswire.php?story_id=69418
'The US Government has defended its decision to award a £293 million Iraq Security contract to British mercenary Tim Spicer, in reponse to concerns raised by the family of Belfast man Peter McBride, who was shot dead by Scots Guards soldiers under Spicer’s command in 1992.'

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• Download: (sick shit)
Video of Random Shootings in Iraq
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/27.html#a6076

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Also see:
Sy Hersh on NBC's Today Show
(download video)
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/11/29.html#a6103

'Aegis Victory' Mercenaries Hunt Civilains for Fun

by redjade Wed Nov 30, 2005 21:59

U.S. Military Covertly Pays to Run Stories in Iraqi Press



As part of an information offensive in Iraq, the U.S. military is secretly paying Iraqi newspapers to publish stories written by American troops in an effort to burnish the image of the U.S. mission in Iraq.

The articles, written by U.S. military "information operations" troops, are translated into Arabic and placed in Baghdad newspapers with the help of a defense contractor, according to U.S. military officials and documents obtained by the Los Angeles Times.

Many of the articles are presented in the Iraqi press as unbiased news accounts written and reported by independent journalists. The stories trumpet the work of U.S. and Iraqi troops, denounce insurgents and tout U.S.-led efforts to rebuild the country.

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Iraqi newspaper editors reacted with a mixture of shock and shrugs when told they were targets of a U.S. military psychological operation.

Some of the newspapers, such as Al Mutamar, a Baghdad-based daily run by associates of Deputy Prime Minister Ahmad Chalabi, ran the articles as news stories, indistinguishable from other news reports. Before the war, Chalabi was the Iraqi exile favored by senior Pentagon officials to lead post-Hussein Iraq.

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Employees at Al Mada said that a low-key man arrived at the newspaper's offices in downtown Baghdad on July 30 with a large wad of U.S. dollars. He told the editors that he wanted to publish an article titled "Terrorists Attack Sunni Volunteers" in the newspaper.

He paid cash and left no calling card, employees said. He did not want a receipt. The name he gave employees was the same as that of a Lincoln Group worker in the records obtained by The Times. Although editors at Al Mada said he paid $900 to place the article, records show that the man told Lincoln Group that he gave more than $1,200 to the paper.

Al Mada is widely considered the most cerebral and professional of Iraqi newspapers, publishing investigative reports as well as poetry.

Zaki said that if his cash-strapped paper had known that these stories were from the U.S. government, he would have "charged much, much more" to publish them.

more at:
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-infowar30nov30,1,2046971,full.story

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• The Lincoln Group
http://www.lincolngroup.com/

• More info:
The Lincoln Group, formed in 1999, is "a D.C.-based business 'intelligence' company that handles services from 'political campaign intelligence' to commercial real estate in Iraq."
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Lincoln_Group

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• Get a Job with the Lincoln Group!:
http://tinyurl.com/7wq2z

Required:
- Experience planning and managing complex media campaigns to foreign audiences
- Responsibility for planning, staffing, and managing complex projects
- Experience in emerging, fast-growth environments in conflict zones
- Experience in integrated processes (including Subcontractor Management)
- Responsiveness, productive collaboration and communication with clients, corporate headquarters, and government agencies
- Familiarity with Risk Management procedures and practices
- Know how of Human Resource Planning and Training (including working with expatriate personnel and local nationals)
- Current Secret Clearance

Website: 'Our staff members are experts on the communities they work in and are able to immerse themselves in them unobtrusively.'

by Hilaal Thu Dec 01, 2005 23:19

Surely the Worlds Only Superpower is not going to run away from the remnants of some die-hard baathists and a handful of foreign terrorists? They will have it all sorted out in three weeks. With Kevin Meyers, Tom Cooney and the staff of the Irish Indo cheering them on to victory how can they fail.

Hail Bush! Hail Bush! Hail Bush!

Onward to Victory Christian soldiers

by redjade Fri Dec 02, 2005 00:53

General Pace: "It is absolutely the responsibility of every U.S. service member, if they see inhumane treatment being conducted, to intervene to stop it,"

Rumsfeld: "But I don't think you mean they have an obligation to physically stop it; it's to report it."

General Pace: "If they are physically present when inhumane treatment is taking place, sir, they have an obligation to try to stop it ."

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2005/12/01.html#a6137

by redjade Sun Dec 04, 2005 14:03

GovExec.com says:
'It's tough to follow the history of Lincoln Group, a contractor that won a $100 million contract with the Special Operations Command to assist with psychological operations....'
http://www.govexec.com/features/1205-01/1205-01s1s2.htm

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• Billmon wrote about The Lincoln Group
in June 12, 2005
http://billmon.org/archives/001900.html
'If I were still a real reporter -- that is, if someone were paying me to do this kind of work -- there are many other things I would try to find out about Lincoln Alliance, the Lincoln Group and Iraqex. Things like incorporation records or doing-business-as registrations, UCC filings, lists of corporate officers, disbursements from political campaigns, court records (if any) and a complete list of all federal government contracts awarded to all three entities.'

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• Billmon writes today...
November 30, 2005
http://billmon.org/archives/002347.html
'If you go back and read my original post, you'll see my interest in Lincoln Group was less because of its propaganda and disinformation work in Iraq, and more because of a few intriguing hints of possible involvement in similar work here in the domestic battle space -- where it's generally conducted under the brand name Grand Old Party. Granted, there's nothing specific in the LA Times article to feed such suspicions (the company's Republican Party ties aren't even mentioned) but given the amount of money involved, and what we've learned about the Cunningham-MZM ring, the Abramoff-Scanlon rackets, etc., I would strongly urge the Times to dig deeper -- even though I can't afford to pay them for it.'

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• Blogger Tony Pierce asks if an element of Blowback is occuring?

http://www.tonypierce.com/blog/2005/12/why-im-so-glad-im-not-right-wing.htm

'but theres one thing that is not in debate about this administration: they are shameless propagandists who will stop at nothing to use and manipulate the press in illegal and immoral ways making whores out of the so-called fourth estate during this era of widespread and wanton corruption.

so since we know that the Bush administration has paid off pro journalists, a gay male hooker wannabe journalist, and now iraqi newspapers

of course they're probably paying off bloggers, and/or funding Right Wing consortums - why wouldnt they?

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yes i believe that if this administration has $100 million to spend on propaganda overseas, that it has a few million to spend corralling willing and loyal bloggers here in america.

the only question is, when will we find out who those bloggers on the take are, and what will happen to their reputations once they're outted.'

by Barry Mon Dec 05, 2005 21:27

Rumsfeld forcefully denies prostituting the media .

by redjade Tue Dec 06, 2005 04:54

Bush in Iraq, Slouching Toward Genocide
By Robert Parry
December 1, 2005

Despite pretty words about democracy and freedom, George W. Bush’s “victory” plan in Iraq is starting to look increasingly like an invitation to genocide, the systematic destruction of the Sunni minority for resisting its U.S.-induced transformation from the nation’s ruling elite into second-class citizenship.

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[Bush's] Nov. 30 speech about his plan for “victory” in Iraq. He divided the “enemy in Iraq” into three groups – the Sunni “rejectionists,” who resent having lost their privileged status; the Sunni “Saddamists,” who retain loyalty to ousted dictator Saddam Hussein; and the foreign “terrorists,” who have entered Iraq to fight the American invaders and generally spread chaos.

....what is problematic about Bush’s analysis in terms of the genocide issue is that he identifies the vast majority of the “enemy” as Sunnis. That means both Iraq’s Shiite-dominated government and U.S. forces in Iraq are already targeting a religious minority for defeat, establishing one of the first conditions for the definition of genocide.

rest at
http://consortiumnews.com/2005/113005.html

cartoon:
http://mnftiu.cc/mnftiu.cc/war51.html

mnftiu.cc

by redjade Tue Dec 06, 2005 05:01

The Man Who Sold the War
Meet John Rendon, Bush's general in the propaganda war
by James Bamford
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/_/id/8798997/print

Indeed, Rendon is already thinking ahead. Last year, he attended a conference on information operations in London, where he offered an assessment on the Pentagon's efforts to manipulate the media. According to those present, Rendon applauded the practice of embedding journalists with American forces. "He said the embedded idea was great," says an Air Force colonel who attended the talk. "It worked as they had found in the test. It was the war version of reality television, and for the most part they did not lose control of the story." But Rendon also cautioned that individual news organizations were often able to "take control of the story," shaping the news before the Pentagon asserted its spin on the day's events.

"We lost control of the context," Rendon warned. "That has to be fixed for the next war."

by redjade Tue Dec 06, 2005 05:05

[Iraqi Vice President Ghazi al-Yawer] said recent allegations that Interior Ministry security forces -- dominated by Shiites -- have tortured Sunni detainees were evidence that many forces are increasingly politicized and sectarian. Some of the recently trained Iraqi forces focus on settling scores and other political goals rather than maintaining security, he said.

In addition, some Iraqi military commanders have been dismissed for political reasons, rather than judged on merit, he said.

He said the army -- also dominated by Shiites -- is conducting raids against villages and towns in Sunni and mixed areas of Iraq, rather than targeting specific insurgents -- a tactic he said reminded many Sunnis of Saddam Hussein-era raids.

"Saddam used to raid villages," using security forces, he said. "This is not the way to do it."

more at
http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1001614034

by redjade Tue Dec 06, 2005 05:43

One thing that struck me about what the witnesses were saying- after the assassination attempt in Dujail, so much of what later unfolded is exactly what is happening now in parts of Iraq. They talked about how a complete orchard was demolished because the Mukhabarat thought people were hiding there and because they thought someone had tried to shoot Saddam from that area. That was like last year when the Americans razed orchards in Diyala because they believed insurgents were hiding there. Then they talked about the mass detentions- men, women and children- and its almost as if they are describing present-day Ramadi or Falloojah. The descriptions of cramped detention spaces, and torture are almost exactly the testimonies of prisoners in Abu Ghraib, etc.

It makes one wonder when Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney and the rest will have their day, as the accused, in court.

more at
http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/2005_12_01_riverbendblog_archive.html#113380516125491394

by R. Isible Tue Dec 06, 2005 06:17

The U.S. government is waging an air war in Iraq. "In recent months, the tempo of American bombing seems to have increased," Seymour Hersh reported in the Dec. 5 edition of The New Yorker. "Most of the targets appear to be in the hostile, predominantly Sunni provinces that surround Baghdad and along the Syrian border." Hersh added: "As yet, neither Congress nor the public has engaged in a significant discussion or debate about the air war."

by Barry Fri Dec 09, 2005 01:33

Are Irish politicians upholding neutrality concerning this slaughter or are they just Bushes "bee - yatches" ?

The view from Shannon airport

I sees ya Bertie !

by Noel Fri Dec 09, 2005 10:08

This poll is terrible news - and Iraq is following the same path. Tragic.

by Barry Fri Dec 09, 2005 15:22

No way you could argue with that poll . Despite them torture camps and stuff Im sure officials stopping afghanis in the street asking them if they support the government and the US will elicit a truthful response . And they only needed to ask 1000 people in the whole country too , which was handy .

by Noel Fri Dec 09, 2005 15:46

Congratulations Barry.
You have won the Disingenuous Fool Award 2005.

Now, remind me how many were surveyed for the Lancet report which claimed 100,000 dead.?
You remember the one which was non-political but was rushed out in time for the US Presidential elections.

by Barry Fri Dec 09, 2005 15:58

How can dead people give answers to an opinion poll ?