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The Irish Army in action

category cork | crime and justice | opinion/analysis author Monday August 22, 2005 06:40author by Peter Newman - author Report this post to the editors

This is what Irish government soldiers have done.

The Nazi is in all of us.

....the nine prisoners, all bruised and battered from the beatings they got from their Free State captors, were put into a lorry, which was heavily escorted, and driven along the Castleisland Road .....

" They were being taken, they were told, to remove barricades. They did not believe that - sick men with useless hands and arms. One of the soldiers handed each of them a cigarette. "The last smoke you'll have," he said. The lorry pulled up near the corner of the Killorglin Road, beside Ballyseedy Wood. They saw a log lying across the road. They were made to get out of the lorry and stand in a close circle around the log.

The soldiers had strong ropes and electric cord. Each prisoner's hands were tied behind him, then his arms were tied above the elbow to those of the man on either side of him. Their feet were bound together above the ankles and their legs were bound together above the knees. Then a strong rope was passed round the nine and the soldiers moved away. The prisoners had their backs to the log and the mine, which was beside it; they could see the movement of the soldiers and knew what would happen next.

They gripped one another's hands, those who could, and prayed for God's mercy upon their souls. The shock came, blinding, deafening, overwhelming ..... "

BALLYSEEDY CROSS .... continued….

.... John Shanahan was taken by his Free State captors into a dark cell with nine coffins in it ; they pointed out his own coffin to him and questioned him again regarding the names of his comrades on the outside . He stayed silent. He was marched back to his own cell and locked in ....


" The prisoners were given some kind of trial in the Workhouse on March the third, but no sentence was told. They were kept there for three days more. Shanahan's back had grown weak since the beating in Ballymullen, and before March the sixth, he collapsed. His illness saved him when his comrades were taken out.

Very early on Wednesday, while it was still dark, Stephen Fuller was called out of his cell. He was taken to the guardroom. George Shea and Timothy Twomey were with him and they found six more prisoners there. An officer was shouting at Patrick Buckley, accusing him of having deserted from the RIC, raging against him for giving over a barrack to Michael Brennan before the Truce. It was true: he had done it - he was to get his punishment now.

The prisoners looked ill; one had a broken arm; all were scarred and bruised and suffering - James Welsh had a bandage on his broken wrist. The Free State soldiers searched them in the guardroom and took their cigarettes. They were put into a lorry with a heavy escort and driven along the Castleisland Road .......

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.... George Shea, Tim Twomey, John Shanahan and Stephen Fuller were captured on the twenty-first of February in a dug-out .....


" They were taken, to be interrogated , to Ballymullen Barracks in Tralee . 'Interrogation' by (David) Neligan in Ballymullen Barracks was an ordeal under which reason might give way. The prisoner, in the usual practice, was first blind-folded, then his arms were tied to his sides, and 'interrogation' began. This time a hammer was used. The prisoners were taken in separately. When John Shanahan came out his head was covered with blood and his spine was injured, but he was still able to walk .

The hammer failed. The prisoners were taken out to be shot, and shots were fired round their heads. They were then sentenced, for their obdurate silence, to be executed at midnight and were then locked in their cells. At midnight Stephen Fuller heard his comrades being taken out one by one and heard shots fired in the yard. The guards came for him and took him down to a dark cell. He saw nine coffins there with the lids closed. "Three of those have their men," they told him, "and this is yours," and they stopped to unscrew the lid.

For half-an-hour more they were questioning him, he wishing only for a sharp end . Then they locked him into his cell again.

.....John Daly was beaten by the Staters in Tralee Jail - when they were finished, his spine was injured beyond recovery .......

Michael Connell was only twenty-two years old , but since the Conscription menace he had been a Volunteer . He was taken in the middle of February at a dance; he was unarmed and his mother had no fear for him. She saw him looking out of the prison window on Tuesday evening.

"I'll write tomorrow," he called. She would not believe that he was one of the victims until a girl who had seen the bodies told her there was a "black curly boy" - she went up and looked then, and knew her son .

James Walsh was well known to be in danger, being a leader and a man with great influence among the people. George Shea, Tim Twomey, John Shanahan and Stephen Fuller were captured on the twenty-first of February in a dug-out.

......eight prisoners at Ballyseedy Cross, four at Killarney, five at Cahirciveen; the Free Staters were executing prisoners in reprisal for the mine at Knocknagoshel, which killed five Staters - two Captains, two Privates and a Lieutenant .....

Every precaution against disclosure was taken by the murderers; every preparation was made to make Ireland believe a lie; yet every detail of those three massacres "by most miraculous organ" has been revealed. Nine prisoners were taken from Tralee to be killed at Ballyseedy Cross, and nine coffins were sent out from the jail, but only eight men had been killed .

Their names were John Daly, George Shea, Timothy Twomey, Patrick Hartnett, James Connell, John O'Connor, Patrick Buckley, and James Walsh.

Patrick Buckley, who had five children, was thought by some of his friends to be safe in jail - he had done so much for Michael Brennan in Limerick in the trouble with the Black-and-Tans. There were others who knew that his action then would be little protection to him now. John Daly was captured on the 4th of February. He had been in the Republican Army for seven years or more, and was known to the enemy.

They beat him until his spine was injured beyond recovery, in Tralee Jail.

.....the Free Staters claimed that the incident was caused by a land-mine planted by the IRA on the Killorglin Road - but the IRA had not built a barricade nor planted explosives on that road at the time, and could not have been responsible .....


They had, however, at Knocknagoshel, attached a trigger-mine to a dump. The following statement was issued on the tenth of March (1923) from IRA Headquarters, Kerry No.1 Brigade --

" A trigger-mine was laid in Knocknagoshel for a member of the Free State Army, Lieutenant O'Connor , who had made a hobby of torturing Republican prisoners in Castleisland. On Tuesday, a party of Free State troops, including Lieutenant O'Connor, proceeded to the place, and two Captains, Lieutenant O'Connor, and two privates were killed. "


Reprisals on prisoners, instituted by the Free State Government in Mountjoy on December 8th, 1922, had become a systematic practice in their jails. It was concluded that the slaughter of eight prisoners at Ballyseedy Cross and of four at Killarney and of five at Cahirciveen were reprisals for the Knocknagoshel mine.

But for one accident, so incomprehensible as to seem miraculous, what happened at Ballyseedy Cross could never be rightly known. That early on Wednesday morning a shattering explosion was heard, that a great rent in the roadside and hideous evidence of bloodshed were discovered later in the day, that nine coffins containing the mutilated remains of prisoners were sent out from the barrack and that for days afterwards 'the birds were eating human flesh off the trees at Ballyseedy Cross' - these facts and these only would be known.

The explanation put out by the Free State authorities was known in the locality to be untrue. They said that the prisoners were blown up by mines attached to barricades set up by the Republicans in Killorglin Road. No barricade was placed by Republicans in that neighbourhood on that night.

 #   Title   Author   Date 
   Terrible times ....     Sharon    Mon Aug 22, 2005 09:24 
   reprisals     fiachra    Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:00 
   In reply to 'Reprisals' .     Sharon.    Mon Aug 22, 2005 10:25 
   The truth     AL    Mon Aug 22, 2005 12:15 
   Pot stirring     Dalton,G    Mon Aug 22, 2005 13:21 
   Well said Al, there is no point highlighting one sides atrocities unless you can own up to your own     rooster    Mon Aug 22, 2005 13:31 
   The importance of remembering     Edward Horgan    Mon Aug 22, 2005 13:37 
   Ainbhearta     Duine    Mon Aug 22, 2005 14:03 
   Cúiseanna     Éamonn    Mon Aug 22, 2005 15:48 
 10   An Army to be Proud of     Dalton, G    Mon Aug 22, 2005 17:26 
 11   Where is our army going now?     Old Soldier    Mon Aug 22, 2005 17:47 
 12   Re: Dalton G     Paul    Mon Aug 22, 2005 17:56 
 13   we must remember     current soldier    Mon Aug 22, 2005 17:58 
 14   Jaysus Al     Me    Mon Aug 22, 2005 18:07 
 15   Re: Paul     Dalton, G    Mon Aug 22, 2005 18:23 
 16   Re: Dalton     Paul    Mon Aug 22, 2005 18:39 
 17   The law of the land, and the laws of war     Michael    Mon Aug 22, 2005 19:17 
 18   Interesting points/questions raised by the authors original post .     Sharon.    Mon Aug 22, 2005 20:56 
 19   leithscéalta     Duine    Mon Aug 22, 2005 21:34 
 20   Blindly Following Orders     Edward Horgan    Tue Aug 23, 2005 01:20 
 21   Yes and No     Al    Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:06 
 22   Al/Current Soldier     Me    Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:46 
 23   reply to me     Current Soldier    Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:52 
 24   Oh, how droll     Betty    Tue Aug 23, 2005 12:24 
 25   WTF is this doing here?     Gerry    Tue Aug 23, 2005 13:04 
 26   How, why and when?     Al    Tue Aug 23, 2005 13:29 
 27   Al     Current Soldier    Tue Aug 23, 2005 13:41 
 28   In my limited knowledge     Betty    Tue Aug 23, 2005 14:06 
 29   Answer me this.     of an Irish minority    Tue Aug 23, 2005 14:47 
 30   Betty     Current Soldier    Tue Aug 23, 2005 15:09 
 31   Clincher     Betty    Tue Aug 23, 2005 16:23 
 32   Back to the real issues     Back    Tue Aug 23, 2005 16:43 
 33   betty     current soldier    Tue Aug 23, 2005 17:11 
 34   Please do tell?     Betty    Tue Aug 23, 2005 17:33 
 35   betty     current soldier    Tue Aug 23, 2005 17:39 
 36   Dalton, Mr. McDowell would like his shoes shined now.     Fitz    Wed Aug 24, 2005 03:20 
 37   Re cost of steyr rifles     Michael    Wed Aug 24, 2005 22:55 
 38   government     bertie    Thu Aug 25, 2005 11:58 
 39   Butter     Confused    Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:09 
 40   Confused     Current Soldier    Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:54 
 41   IDF ?     Who Ate All The Pies    Thu Aug 25, 2005 14:56 
 42   Who ate all the pies?     Current Soldier    Thu Aug 25, 2005 15:01 
 43   State security     Al    Thu Aug 25, 2005 18:01 
 44   we've gone through that last comment before.     oink    Thu Aug 25, 2005 22:17 
 45   I can prove it, can you?     Al    Thu Aug 25, 2005 23:15 
 46   You jsut wrote the budget for the Irish secret service is for witness protection and informants only     oink    Thu Aug 25, 2005 23:30 
 47   Oink & Al.     iosaf    Fri Aug 26, 2005 15:50 
 48   Fair enough     Al    Fri Aug 26, 2005 16:21 
 49   I can see were Iosafs coming from     Barry    Fri Aug 26, 2005 16:40 
 50   Leave it Barry (& others)     enoughisenough    Fri Aug 26, 2005 16:44 
 51   do you own this site ?     Barry    Fri Aug 26, 2005 16:59 
 52   Barry     enuf    Fri Aug 26, 2005 17:10 
 53   Steyr     Al    Sat Aug 27, 2005 10:47 
 54   No Al it is not.     design classic    Sat Aug 27, 2005 14:34 
 55   Since 1994 the development of assault rifles has been subject to restrictions.     pacifist    Sat Aug 27, 2005 14:58 
 56   At least the Steyr works i suppose     Barry    Sat Aug 27, 2005 16:18 
 57   Thanks but....     Al    Sat Aug 27, 2005 21:13 
 58   Unlike the Brits SA 80, which is shit.     rooster    Sat Aug 27, 2005 21:28 
 59   thats not funny at all rooster     Barry    Sat Aug 27, 2005 21:36 
 60   why?     rooster    Sat Aug 27, 2005 22:15 
 61   no i dont     barry    Sat Aug 27, 2005 22:25 
 62   I don't live or work in a barracks     rooster    Sat Aug 27, 2005 22:32 
 63   Rooster     Shipsea    Sat Aug 27, 2005 22:33 
 64   I thought we were talking about rifles     rooster    Sat Aug 27, 2005 22:43 
 65   So?     Shipsea    Sat Aug 27, 2005 23:04 
 66   not as shit as everyone says     Barry    Sat Aug 27, 2005 23:28 
 67   in reply to Al.     pacifist    Sat Aug 27, 2005 23:30 
 68   is this a totally crap rifle     Barry    Sat Aug 27, 2005 23:36 
 69   That article is 3 years old     rooster    Sun Aug 28, 2005 14:34 
 70   I ask again     Al    Sun Aug 28, 2005 15:13 
 71   Is there a particularly big problem with arms in north Dublin?     pacifist    Sun Aug 28, 2005 17:11 
 72   the irish army in action article.     intrigued    Sun Aug 28, 2005 17:20 
 73   We welcome the co-op of all our friends, ex soldiers, gangland survivors, peace corps, as always     :-)    Sun Aug 28, 2005 18:07 
 74   just to make a brief point. "on readers. & Al"     pacifist    Sun Aug 28, 2005 20:45 
 75   incorrect information     jane's defence daily    Sun Aug 28, 2005 22:38 
 76   Janes Defence Weekly     Current Soldier    Sun Aug 28, 2005 23:50 
 77   plain jane     Barry    Mon Aug 29, 2005 01:23 
 78   I will answer, will you?     Al    Mon Aug 29, 2005 01:40 
 79   H&K MP5     Current Soldier    Mon Aug 29, 2005 10:24 
 80   reply to Al.     pacifist    Mon Aug 29, 2005 17:04 
 81   Pacifist     Noel    Mon Aug 29, 2005 17:10 
 82   The issue is the use of arms. & how to reduce that use.     pacifist    Mon Aug 29, 2005 17:26 
 83   Pacifist     Noel    Mon Aug 29, 2005 17:38 
 84   Laughable     Al    Mon Aug 29, 2005 17:55 
 85   the police did not come to the "crime scene" the young man     pacifist    Mon Aug 29, 2005 18:18 
 86   Answer     Al    Mon Aug 29, 2005 18:21 
 87   Al     thirddegree    Mon Aug 29, 2005 18:47 
 88   Al. in the interest of dialogue concensus and transparency     pacifist    Mon Aug 29, 2005 20:08 
 89   diALogue is dead     kintama    Mon Aug 29, 2005 21:21 
 90   point taken Kintama.     contributor    Mon Aug 29, 2005 22:55 
 91   Hello Mr Kettle, your black!     Al    Tue Aug 30, 2005 00:37 
 92   Al     Beep beep    Tue Aug 30, 2005 01:08 
 93   request for body armour accepted as reasonable and with precendent under "very certain conditions"     getting somewhere.    Tue Aug 30, 2005 01:12 
 94   ALice in wonderland     kintama    Tue Aug 30, 2005 01:20 
 95   Q & A     Al    Tue Aug 30, 2005 02:31 
 96   Al     Current Soldier    Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:19 
 97   I stand corrected     Al    Tue Aug 30, 2005 10:59 
 98   So we as a readership     iosaf    Tue Aug 30, 2005 16:35 
 99   sorry I thought both photos were in one file.     oops    Tue Aug 30, 2005 16:42 
 100   Some sense, some not all.     Al    Tue Aug 30, 2005 19:45 
 101   we now have a thread on the issue.     iosaf    Tue Aug 30, 2005 20:08 
 102   be reasonable     Al    Tue Aug 30, 2005 20:42 
 103   czech solider     tarzan    Sat Mar 25, 2006 22:30 
 104   A Dissentist View     jady    Sat Mar 25, 2006 22:54 
 105   original author of this thread     Peter Newman    Wed Apr 12, 2006 05:40 
 106   Ireland's Nazi Past     Peter Newman    Wed Apr 12, 2006 07:42 
 107   shocked     Rebekah Markham    Tue Dec 15, 2009 14:11 


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