Upcoming Events

International | Crime and Justice

no events match your query!

New Events

International

no events posted in last week

Blog Feeds

Anti-Empire

Anti-Empire

offsite link The Wholesome Photo of the Month Thu May 09, 2024 11:01 | Anti-Empire

offsite link In 3 War Years Russia Will Have Spent $3... Thu May 09, 2024 02:17 | Anti-Empire

offsite link UK Sending Missiles to Be Fired Into Rus... Tue May 07, 2024 14:17 | Marko Marjanović

offsite link US Gives Weapons to Taiwan for Free, The... Fri May 03, 2024 03:55 | Anti-Empire

offsite link Russia Has 17 Percent More Defense Jobs ... Tue Apr 30, 2024 11:56 | Marko Marjanović

Anti-Empire >>

The Saker
A bird's eye view of the vineyard

offsite link Alternative Copy of thesaker.is site is available Thu May 25, 2023 14:38 | Ice-Saker-V6bKu3nz
Alternative site: https://thesaker.si/saker-a... Site was created using the downloads provided Regards Herb

offsite link The Saker blog is now frozen Tue Feb 28, 2023 23:55 | The Saker
Dear friends As I have previously announced, we are now “freezing” the blog.  We are also making archives of the blog available for free download in various formats (see below). 

offsite link What do you make of the Russia and China Partnership? Tue Feb 28, 2023 16:26 | The Saker
by Mr. Allen for the Saker blog Over the last few years, we hear leaders from both Russia and China pronouncing that they have formed a relationship where there are

offsite link Moveable Feast Cafe 2023/02/27 ? Open Thread Mon Feb 27, 2023 19:00 | cafe-uploader
2023/02/27 19:00:02Welcome to the ‘Moveable Feast Cafe’. The ‘Moveable Feast’ is an open thread where readers can post wide ranging observations, articles, rants, off topic and have animate discussions of

offsite link The stage is set for Hybrid World War III Mon Feb 27, 2023 15:50 | The Saker
Pepe Escobar for the Saker blog A powerful feeling rhythms your skin and drums up your soul as you?re immersed in a long walk under persistent snow flurries, pinpointed by

The Saker >>

Lockdown Skeptics

The Daily Sceptic

offsite link Why a Nice Jewish Girl Went on a Tommy Robinson March Thu Aug 08, 2024 09:00 | Jacqui Fisher
Tommy Robinson's "Uniting the Kingdom" march in July was widely condemned as "far Right". But 'nice Jewish girl' Jacqui Smith went on along because of its stand against antisemitism and found it anything but.
The post Why a Nice Jewish Girl Went on a Tommy Robinson March appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link In Episode 10 of the Sceptic: Claire Fox on the Riots, James Alexander on Labour?s Radical Devolutio... Thu Aug 08, 2024 07:00 | Will Jones
In Episode 10 of the Sceptic, Laurie Wastell talks to Claire Fox on the riots, James Alexander on Labour's radical devolution agenda and J. Sorel on the tyranny of the Blob.
The post In Episode 10 of the Sceptic: Claire Fox on the Riots, James Alexander on Labour’s Radical Devolution Agenda and J. Sorel on the Tyranny of the Blob appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link News Round-Up Thu Aug 08, 2024 01:22 | Richard Eldred
A summary of the most interesting stories in the past 24 hours that challenge the prevailing orthodoxy about the ?climate emergency?, public health ?crises? and the supposed moral defects of Western civilisation.
The post News Round-Up appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link London and South East Warned of Net Zero Blackouts by National Grid Executives Wed Aug 07, 2024 20:00 | Will Jones
National Grid executives have warned of blackouts before the end of the decade in London and the South East due to unreliable wind and solar power in private remarks that contradict the company's official position.
The post London and South East Warned of Net Zero Blackouts by National Grid Executives appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

offsite link Met Police Chief Sir Mark Rowley Says Two-Tier Policing Claims Are ?Nonsense? and Put Police Officer... Wed Aug 07, 2024 17:56 | Will Jones
Met Police chief Sir Mark Rowley has said claims of "two-tier" policing of civil disorder are "absolute nonsense" and are putting police officers in danger.
The post Met Police Chief Sir Mark Rowley Says Two-Tier Policing Claims Are “Nonsense” and Put Police Officers in Danger appeared first on The Daily Sceptic.

Lockdown Skeptics >>

Voltaire Network
Voltaire, international edition

offsite link Netanyahu soon to appear before the US Congress? It will be decisive for the suc... Thu Jul 04, 2024 04:44 | en

offsite link Voltaire, International Newsletter N°93 Fri Jun 28, 2024 14:49 | en

offsite link Will Israel succeed in attacking Lebanon and pushing the United States to nuke I... Fri Jun 28, 2024 14:40 | en

offsite link Will Netanyahu launch tactical nuclear bombs (sic) against Hezbollah, with US su... Thu Jun 27, 2024 12:09 | en

offsite link Will Israel provoke a cataclysm?, by Thierry Meyssan Tue Jun 25, 2024 06:59 | en

Voltaire Network >>

Now and then: The Parallel Worlds of Hell

category international | crime and justice | news report author Friday May 06, 2005 21:57author by neo Report this post to the editors

In this write-up I use psychological experiments to analyze how power affects people and how people respond to it. I will then apply those experiments on such things as the Nazi movement in the past and current day events.

I believe that while looking back and condemning the acts of Auswich (sorry if I spelled that wrong) and Nazi Germany we must also ANALYZE the WHY, HOW, WHAT, WHO, etc. We can't ignore those...they are very important as history tends to repeat itself...


The Nazi movement. I think we can all say with digust how horrible it was. Brutal massacre and killing millions. But I don't have to talk much about it as you all know about it. Rather I want to talk about the psychology involved during those times and also these days as well. History is repeating itself over and over again. The Nazi movement was never really dead...risen again in another form with another name and this time it is not in one country and it does not use blitzkriegs. Rather it is more disgusting and each day that they get away with it the more confidence they have. Each day that they see the masses apathetic or not caring they grow happier. They see the masses spit when they remember Hitler and smile as the same masses smile at them. And they laugh when they see the masses come out to mourn those who died in millions and somehow turn a blank eye towards those who are suffering the same fate today. So I ask you...if the whole world knew about Hitler's regime what would they have done?...what would you have done? Well...there are those that knew...true, not the masses, but those that knew had spies. It was the era before that of the Cold War and just like the Cold War suspiscion was everywhere and it was so intense that you could have felt it. Of course there were spies. Countries had spies in Germany and the USSR and spies in the USA and Britian and all over the rest of Europe there were spies. They knew well-enough what was happening in Germany and they reported it back. True it was not the masses that knew. It was the governments of the most powerful countries present. It was those same governments that did not move an inch to save the lives of those being killed, but rather moved to a war because of Hitler's STUPID move...his blitzkrieg. To THEM it was stupid. Hitler had it all yet he went after another country. The governments of the most powerful countries in the world went after Hitler only after he posed a threat as a person who would attack countries. But to their eyes, those pathetic countries he attacked represented mere markets. Places where they make profits and sell and buy. If he kept going after countries they would lose profit and the economy would go down. If he kept on going then the ruling classes would lose their palaces and the stocks would crash. Many people think this and I concluded this but not without reason.

There was a question nagging in my mind and it would NOT go away. They KNEW he was killing millions of people. Why did they not do anything? WHY WHY WHY? It haunted me. It was my further reading into neo-colonialism that really made me understand what people are really worth to the ruling class...nothing but a machine. I am writing this not to blather about crap others don't want to hear...I am writing this because JUST as we look back at the horrendous acts of the Nazis we MUST LOOKS AT THOSE ACTS COMMITTED TODAY THAT ARE NO DIFFERENT. That is my point. But why will I talk about those psychological experiments?...to show you that human beings, seeing someone superior to them will follow their orders to the extreme...even if it is to kill. and to show you how far a human being will go, given the power.

Psychological Experiments:

There are two experiments I would like to go over briefly.
One is called the Zimbardo Prison Experiment and the other I forgot the name but it happened well enough.

1.) In the first one volunteers were asked to sit in a room with a machine in front of them. The machine had a row of buttons which represented an amount of electric shock in volts. The volts increased up and up until the last one if given once to a person could kill. In another room a person was seated and he was hooked up with all sorts of electrodes. The volunteer was told that the experiment was to observe how human beings learn as he would say a word in the microphone and the person in the other room would have to choose the correct spelling. Everytime the person did not get the spelling right he would recieve a shock. And everytime he got one wrong the electrocuter would go up one button, thus increasing the voltage to be used on the learner. This experiment shocked psychologists everywhere, not one of them predicted any results anywhere close to what happened. The person in the other room would keep getting words wrong and the electrocution kept increasing. The learner started screaming inside and banging on the door and the volunteer would look at the psychologist who was wearing a doctor's coat and looking official and the psychologist, with a straight face told him to continue and never to stop and that this is for the learner's own good. The volunteer kept going until the learner was screaming. The volunteer would become tense and look back at the doctor and he would be told to continue nonetheless. Eventually the person in the other room would stop saying anything and not even banging...just silent. A vast majority of volunteers in this experiment went all the way to the worst voltage and some even started over again.

Maybe some of you already know that this was a hoax. The person in the other room was not connected to anything, he was just pretending. But this shows how when people are confronted with a superior they will go to great lengths to follow their orders even to kill.

2.) The Zimbardo Prison Experiment

A number of students were hired for a summer job. Zimbardo, the psychologist turned his basement into a prison, with real prison cells. He divided the group in half. One half were prisoners (who wore suits with numbers and that is how they were addressed) and the other the guards. And Zimbardo himself became the Prison Warden. The first few HOURS of this experiment already started going to hell. The prisoners would want to go to sleep and the guards would not let them as they kept banging on the door everytime they tried to sleep. When the prisoners started protesting the guards would take them out in the middle of the night while they were half asleep and make them do push ups and order them around. Later the guards got fire extinguishers and used them on one of the prisoners who seemed to be going hysterical. The prisoners started screaming and banging on the doors and finally they started to plan a break-out. Zimbardo who was long absorbed in this experiment went nuts when he heard they wanted to break out. He called the police and told them that if male students were to be seen wearing prison suits that they should arrest them and bring them back. As the prison warden he got very deeply absorbed into this as he was the most poweful in this experiment and other psychologists condemned him as he broke many ethical rules that experimenters must use.

This went so bad that when the parents of the prisoners came to visit, the prisoners were told not to say a word about what is happening and they were clothed properly and allowed to be bathed. And to the surprise of everyone, they did not say a single word. Not a complaint!

This happened in the course of 72 HOURS. 72 hours ONLY.
This proves many things about the human being.

So when someone asks a question like "How can a human being ever do what the Nazis did?" You can now tell them of these experiments. Those that served for the Nazi regime were human beings, they were born just like you and me and did not carry some sort of alien probe up their ass. It wasn't their nature to hate jews and homosexuals but it is the human being's nature to do the acts committed then (and that are committed TODAY!) when confronted with a superior.

So is another Nazi Regime possible? YES
Is history repeating itself? YES
Are people being murdered and trampled over because of power? YES.
This will never stop. If any of you are familiar with Lord of the Rings just think about that as a wonderful analogy of this disgusting feature that we human beings carry. The ring was powerful and everyone wanted it but the ring, if grasped by someone with the mental capacity to wield it and not be destroyed then they would do evil things as the ring is evil and it is power. Lord of the Rings should be seen as a fictional story but the points it makes are not fiction and cannot be overlooked! The philosophy of Lord of the Rings is very powerful and and true.

So who are these modern day Nazis? And what are they doing?
Of course modern day media would disagree as would anyone who follows the media and everyone who is patriotic to their beloved powerful ruling class.

Look at Abu Ghraib
Look at Palestine and Israel
Look at the AIDS problem
Look at the "War on Terror"
Look at the daily lies that governments stuff people
Look at the daily lies that corporate media that are owned by war-machines stuff people
Look at chechnya
Look at all the other areas around the world where people are dying of poverty and are being killed and oppressed and the media so wonderfully represses this from the public but I have a feeling that so much crap has been absorbed by the masses that even if they were shown all the crap in the world they would not get off there couch...because they might miss their episode of the Family Guy or Friends.

It is all because of power. It only takes mere hours to turn someone from a nice, caring person into a machine of greed and murder.
This greed is what fosters what I said in the introduction of this write-up. It grows and grows that the powerful only have eyes on the things that make THEM powerful. Why should they care if people are being killed? That's not their problem no? Atleast that's what they would think.

And now you see this everywhere. The masses more concerned with their own achievements and with their own lifestyles and their enjoyments of life that they are blind and uncaring. There was a day when I wanted to be rich, and be better. I looked down at the beggers and frowned thinking "why dont they get a job" or "that's what happens when people don't get an education". I was an idiot too.

Finally I want to say that while so many people believe that they are happy and free that they should think again. No one is liberated until everyone is. I believe in a world where every single person can feed themsleves and clothe themselves and their children. The world is full of resources for this. I believe that humans CAN and WILL live at peace with each other as long as the balance of power stays the same eveywhere. Racism, prejudice, and similar things which make people act violent towards others are just a by-product...an illness that this society breeds and they can be excorcised. This type of society existed before, centuries ago when the only trouble people had was how to get over bad weather. And just like history repeats itself I think we can go back to such a time of REAL liberty. I have heard a quote before about how this world will become a better place if everyone tried to be their best. I think that quote is stupid and ridiculous because to parahprase psychologist Carl Rogers and Maslow: To achieve self-actualization (to be your best) you will have to have all your basic necessities fulfilled: Food, clothes, shelter, love. Not everyone has food and clothing...far too many don't. Love is scarce in this world because of the daily stress and competition and lust seems to prevail over love. So while some have these, many others dont and this signifies an imbalance of power and as long as you have an imbalance of power you will have oppression and the gap will keep widening as the poor get poorer and the rich get richer today. So instead of striving for self-actualization people strived to get a balance of power I can conclude from so many scientific experiments and facts that this world WILL become a better place.

author by neopublication date Sat May 07, 2005 18:58author address author phone Report this post to the editors

im the author of that article and i wanted to add something:

In the first experiment, the one I couldn't remember the name of, I believe it was Milgram who did that experiment.

quote:

Mr. Milgram concludes: "For many people, obedience is a deeply ingrained behavior tendency, indeed a potent impulse overriding training in ethics, sympathy, and moral conduct." (5)



Mr. Milgram downplayed the role of sadism in his findings. He harkened back to the writing of Hannah Arendt on the trial of Mr. Eichmann:



Arendt contended that the prosecution’s effort to depict Eichmann as a sadistic monster was fundamentally wrong, that he came closer to being an uninspired bureaucrat who simply sat at his desk and did his job. For asserting her views, Arendt became the object of considerable scorn, even calumny. Somehow, it was felt that the monstrous deeds carried out by Eichmann required a brutal, twisted personality, evil incarnate. After witnessing hundreds of ordinary persons submit to the authority in our own experiments, I must conclude that Arendt’s conception of the banality of evil comes closer to the truth than one might dare imagine. The ordinary person who shocked the victim did so out of a sense of obligation -- an impression of his duties as a subject -- and not from any peculiarly aggressive tendencies.



One Teacher who administered shocks to the maximum level in the experiment remarked, "What appalled me was that I could possess this capacity for obedience and compliance to a central idea, i.e., the adherence to this value was at the expense of violation of another value, i.e., don’t hurt someone who is helpless and not hurting you."



Mr. Milgram maintains that morality has not vanished but has been displaced. A diffusion of responsibility has allayed any extreme discomfort felt by subjects. Says Mr. Milgram:



The essence of obedience is that a person comes to view himself as the instrument for carrying out another person’s wishes, and he therefore no longer regards himself as responsible for his actions. Once this critical shift of viewpoint has occurred, all of the essential features of obedience follow. The most far-reaching consequence is that the person feels responsible to the authority directing him but feels no responsibility for the content of the actions that the authority prescribes. Morality does not disappear -- it acquires a radically different focus: the subordinate person feels shame or pride depending on how adequately he has performed the actions called for by authority.



In other words, for many of us, morality is subordinate to our obedience to an authority figure.

end quote

author by ex-psychologistpublication date Sat May 07, 2005 12:34author address author phone Report this post to the editors

The first experiment that the author refers to was conducted by Stanley Milgram (1963) in an effort to understand why 'normal' people were capable of commiting acts of genocide during WW2. More specifically, why people are obediant to sometimes very destructive levels. Of course, his experiments would never pass ethical guidelines today - some of the participants had to recieve counselling for years later to come to terms with what they had been prepared to do just because someone told them. Interestingly, one of the reasons put forward by Milgram to explain this obediance was that there was a lack of disobediant role models. In the context of this study, when the conditions were altered so that the participants saw two other participants (who were really confedarates) refuse to obey the experimenter, roughly 90% told the experimenter to fuck off when asked to increase the voltage.

author by Elainepublication date Sat May 07, 2005 03:36author address author phone Report this post to the editors

and some fascinating points. Erich Fromm writes in his book ' On Being Human' - "What I dislike most is summed up in the description in Greek mythology of the "Iron Race" the Greeks saw emerging. This description is - according to Hesiod's Erga (lines 132 - 42) - as follows "As generations pass, they grow worse. A time will come when they have grown so wicked that they will worship power; might will be right to them and reverence for the good will cease to be. At last, when no man is angry anymore at wrongdoing or feels shame in the presence of the miserable, Zeus will destroy them too. And yet even then something might be done, if only the common people would rise and put down rulers who oppress them"
We need to reclaim our humanity, to recognise it in others and acknowledge the same flaws, hurts and yearnings in ourselves, and vice versa. To learn to forgive, not just others but ourselves. I am reminded of a quote that I can't put a name to... "sometimes God forgives us quicker than we forgive ourselves" , and my own addition, "a helluva lot quicker than we forgive others."
Part of the problem with contemporary Western society is that we do not have leaders who appeal to our 'nobler motives', perhaps because they have none themselves. Economics, apart from being a dismal science, has become the bottom line, the new morality. We will always have people who need to be led and those who will justify their actions based on the actions of others. However self-serving and ignoble those actions happen to be. As human beings, we have a knack for lying, particularly to ourselves. Consider the situation at Shannon Airport, 'good' men and women serving the U.S. Military on their way to an illegal and unjust war and occupation. No connection made between the illegal occupation and oppression Irish people suffered in the recent past and the current situation in Iraq. That is not to justify an anti British stance, nor does an anti Iraq war view necessarily suggest an anti American position. We must see the bigger picture, any injustice, whether visited on us or on another nation is still an injustice. Revenge is never an intelligent response. When a human being dies because of our indifference or our prejudice, we are the losers and equally complicit whether we pulled the trigger, planted the bomb or ignored their suffering. It is too easy to be caught up in Tribalism, Nationalism, Patriotism or whatever 'ism' our insecurities are masquerading as this time round. To feel truly human we must acknowledge our failings and own them, deal with them and accept them. To visit our failings on others to make ourselves feel better by comparison, is a lie.

So what lies at the heart of this current trend of indifference in Western Society? A blatant and palpable sense of worthlessness, a directionless yearning. A life, as Brendan Behan once said, "of quiet desperation" We are at war with ourselves, our true selves which have become alien to us. We have accepted an economic system based on consumerism, we produce -we consume etc. If we do not consume then we do not produce, and if we produce we must do better next year. If we don't then the share holders won't be happy, the board of directors won't get their end of year bonuses and jobs will be lost. It has become profit driven at the expense of humanity. Greed is not good, it is not the best we can be and it is an obscene waste of human energy and potential. And what of the workers, whose 'meaningless' lives are supported by 'meaningless' jobs? How are they faring in this cowardly new world? They have become cogs in a wheel, impotent and unsure, fearful and alone. Victims of an economic system intended to serve us, but by an ironic twist of fate, enslaving us and alienating us further from our true selves, our true potential and our fellow human beings.

Perhaps better minds than mine will suggest a way out, perhaps one already has. Erich Fromm in his lecture entitled 'A New Humanism as a Condition for the One World' -
"Man's task is to develop his humanity, and in the development of this humanity he will find a new harmony and hence the only way in which he can solve the problem of being born.
Being born, we are all asked a question and we have to give an answer - not one with our mind and our brain, but, every moment, one with our whole person. There are only really two answers. One answer is to regress and one answer is to develop our humanity. And there are many people - and I suppose these days most people - who try to avoid the answer and who fill the time with all the many things that we call entertainment or diversion or leisure time or whatever it may be. But I believe we find ultimately that this solution is no solution, that the people who choose it are all bored and depressed, except that they are not aware of this."

 
© 2001-2024 Independent Media Centre Ireland. Unless otherwise stated by the author, all content is free for non-commercial reuse, reprint, and rebroadcast, on the net and elsewhere. Opinions are those of the contributors and are not necessarily endorsed by Independent Media Centre Ireland. Disclaimer | Privacy