Hariri's Game

by iosaf Tue Feb 14, 2006 09:07

Hariri's Game actually began as a comment, an oblique reference to "harry's game" at that time I ocassionally used "harry potter" as an email name, and a prince of that name had got in trouble for dressing up as a nazi. He also was reported as saying he wasn't into his dad remarrying. The announcement was made the same weekend as Hariri blew up, and well "things happened" about the place. We truly do live in a world of shadows.

We are now of course ready for "Hariri's game" (part 9)
the new levant. post Arafat, post Sharon, post Hariri
and with Hizbollah and Hamas in government.
Understanding all that necesitates a lot of homework and reading.

My motto for this whole murky affair was-
non tali auxilio nec defensoribus istis tempus eget
=(more or less) these times call for other weapons.
(literally "nor such aid nor defendors does the time require")
Its from Virgil's Aeneid, when the folks in Troy realise the shit is about to hit the fan.
Ye might have seen the movie or hopefully read the book.

by !mad Wed Mar 09, 2005 09:43

So far it has been seen in arabic, english and french with the same pictures and layout. It is being circulated heavily on listsurfs especially opposition ones or those pro-Hariri and/or anti-Syria.

it helped mobilise several thousand people from 23/2/05 to 1/3/05 "the cedar revolution".

This was responded to by half a million people yesterday (who according to the IT were organised by Hezbollah, yet they have never got more than twenty thousand together). A vital Little Clue- the druze and syrian migrant workers are being overlooked by commercial pro-american news-sources.

Vital Big Clue: democracy is not established nor helped in its emergence by being either pro- or anti- USA.

by Creidhne Tue Mar 01, 2005 19:13

my cat got stuck up a tree today. I wonder are the Syrian's responsible.

by obit Tue Mar 01, 2005 12:20

Lebanon now enters an election phase,
the thoughtful type who left the cut down obit above has left you all the clues to guess where this story is going.

The pro Syria gov have now quit. you know that.
the pro USA opposition leader billionaire is now dead. you've got that haven't you?

the pacifist "mobile phone crew" have now been credited with a revolution. you missed that didn't you?

You can contribute whatever you want to the global network be passionate, clever, you don't have to write all the words yourself, if its credited put the name of the person you're quoting, if not dot those little "i"s and slash those little "t"s when you come to them.

by shit-stirring Sun Feb 27, 2005 23:38

Syria has been blamed for the "martyr" attack on Israel when a palestinian student, devout muslim blew themselves up yesterday in an act of murder, suicide and terror aimed at de-railing the latest moves to peace in the Holy Land initiated by Tony Blair, George Bush and the EU in the immediate aftermath of the 11,11,04 death of Arafat.
http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=106178®ion=6
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/Swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5566934
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-02/28/content_2626853.htm

Syria for her part has denied the allegations that she was responsible for the "martyr attack" which killed 5 people in total or Harriri's death on Valentine's day.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-02/27/content_2626645.htm
http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200502/s1312137.htm


and might i finally add, that this article appeared "2" on the commentator (who's been to lebanon but has nothing new to add) above's google search, becuase he/she were cookied to imc ireland before he/she searched for it. Not only does he/she not understand the media (where obits are reproduced many times throughout the world without credit) , he/she don't understand this media of internet and cybernetics communication.
We call such persistant abusers "trolls".
So stop complaining, if you've really been to Lebanon leave us an interesting link.

and for fans of "conspiracy", here's a link to the secret of Fatima, Fatima as you know was the daughter of the Prophet PBUH and not just a little village in Portugal whose last remaining nun died since the pope went sick on us two days before Harriri went sky high and the same morning that the windsor towers in Madrid burnt down. Oh and ancient greek texts didnt use arabic numbers. like 1-0 or 600 or anything like that.

... world without end. Amen.

your choice - work your freedom - be your media

by eeekkkk Fri Feb 25, 2005 20:37

look at the loads of links at the bottom of this page.

there is more first hand international news on 'indymedia' than in all of the irish newspapers and tv put together

it is a very international network

oh and because this site operates on a peer review basis - everybody now knows where the obit came from don't they?

well don't they?

everybody appy?

by not surprised Fri Feb 25, 2005 20:21

I've obviously hit a raw nerve here by pointing out some plain old plagiarism on Indymedia. Sorry if that offends you. Well..... actually..... I'm not sorry at all.

If someone (obit) writes something in a public forum (indymedia), it is open to criticism, no matter how "unhelpful" that is. If you don't want criticism, then don't write anything.

I didn't criticise the info in the piece, I criticised the fact that Obit didn't credit the original source (a newswire), thereby misleading people into believing he/she wrote it. That is equivalent to theft, plain and simple. I've often read people whining on this site that the mainstream media picks up on stuff from Indymedia, but doesn't credit it. Shock horror - it works both ways.

The comments section is for commenting on the piece. That's what I did.

Typical Indymedia - someone criticises the fact that the site doesn't exactly have the best editorial standards, and suddenly people start crying and calling you "unhelpful" and a "troll".

Indymedia is a weblog, nothing more. It doesn't carry international news, it reproduces what professional journalists say in the mainstream press.

Crediting sources is a tenet of public writing. But because Indymedia is a blog for nutters, it doesn't adhere to any tenets.

I fully expect this to be deleted by an "editor" because, as a criticism of Indymedia's "editorial guidelines", it is against the rules.

That is a typical example of selective standards - delete stuff which criticises Indymedia standards, but don't delete stuff which breaks other editorial standards (plagiarism)

by obit Thu Feb 24, 2005 14:11

the Telegraph did not credit an author with the piece.
the Telegraph operates cookies and you ahve to register to read the articles and thus no link would go through, and quite probably it matters little to the "heaps of praise" commenter who wrote the damn thing. I cut it down, I added twenty words, I know about the Lebanon. And so do you. Lets work together. If I want to take credit for something, its generally idiotic satire and wouldn't get published in a newspaper anyway, like who's interested in John Smithies, sick Popes number 43, and the eternal question,- "is tony blair the antichrist?"

now another link-
The Russians have backed down on their earlier decision to provide the Syrians with anti-aircraft upgrades
http://itar-tass.com/eng/level2.html?NewsID=1766147&PageNum=0
you can find the details on that one in the archive.

by copped on long ago. Thu Feb 24, 2005 13:46

you could instead use this comment space under the obituary, authored "obit" to add new information on Syria instead of picking at indymedia's practise of highlighting in the "other press"section reports and obits from "other press". No-one claimed to have been the original author of the piece, and obviously jokes go beyond you.
If you can help rather than just be a pain, then read other press in arabic, french, et cetera and make the links and build the thread.
The thread began in english with the obit, which was reproduced by established media in the UK Ireland Canada and the USA.
and here is how it is now developing-

Syrian Deputy Foreign Minister Waleed al-Mualem told reporters on Thursday that Syria is ready to work with the United Nations to
implement a Security Council resolution requiring Syrian troops to leave Lebanon.
Mualem's remarks were the clearest official response Syria has made so far to the
outcry against its role in Lebanon.

The Taif Accord that ended Lebanon's 1975-90 civil war called for a redeployment of
Syrian troops to eastern Lebanon, followed by agreement on a timetable for a full
withdrawal.

The United States and France sponsored a U.N. resolution adopted in September that
demanded a Syrian pullout. U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan appointed Terje
Roed-Larsen as his special envoy to oversee implementation of the measure.

U.S. President George W. Bush said on Wednesday he would wait for Syria's
response to the international calls before seeking possible U.N. sanctions against
Damascus.


source:-
http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5560495

Now this is what we do, "cop on" collate, sift, cut paste, add comments, jokes, provide a picture of background noise and place it in one easy to read place for the readers of today, and the archivists of tomorrow. If you've anything useful to say, if you've any correction to make to the "obit" then write it.
Otherwise you're just trolling by filling the comment space with unhelpful criticism which would better be addressed to either the Sunday Indo or the Telegraph. If you'd like to pick holes with the syrian or lebanese material in the archive then go to those articles and comment no them.

by not surprised Wed Feb 23, 2005 13:45

I might understand the media just a little better than you, I think. But that's beside the point.

Since when has getting shot in the leg been a prerequisite for involvement in the media? Since when does that give someone special knowledge? Sounds to me like some idiot who didn't know what he/she was doing.

Trust me, I know Lebanon very well, I've been there many times. So don't patronise me by your claim that just because you use the same anonymous website as some person who got in the way of a bullet in Lebanon, you somehow have an insight into the situation. How many times have you been there? None I bet.

There was nothing insightful in your article, nothing new, just a whole load of armchair journalism and some plain old plagiarism.....

By the way, all of the newspapers would have taken this obituary off a newswire, and edited it for their own publication. They all would have credited the original source. But you didn't, simple as that, and you then allowed gullible gobshites like JSR to believe that you wrote it, which isn't true.

Don't defend the indefensible. You copied the article out of a proper publication. You didn't credit the original author in order to massage your own ego by conning people into thinking you know something about Lebanon, when really you haven't a clue.

It always amazes me to see people profess that 'Indymedia' is a news source when it comes to international issues. It's not, it's a weblog for basket cases (like me and Obit). There is no transparency, no editorial standards, no professionalism, no real news value. It is useful for community groups who don't have access to proper media, but beyond that, it is of no more value than your average barstool conversation.

by le figaro Wed Feb 23, 2005 11:16

today on "make your statement day" Feb 23,
has quoted very senior Syrian types as saying that Hariri's death had nothing to do with them, and would be a grave tactical error for them and all that.
http://www.lefigaro.fr/international/20050223.FIG0336.html
(forgive the pun)
Nonetheless the Syrians are withdrawing personel from the Lebanon.

by obit Wed Feb 23, 2005 04:13

not the sunday indo.
we in indymedia ireland do know a lot about the lebanon, one of our contributors was shot in the leg there.
the comments of the standard obit of Hariri are what makes it worth reading, it has been reduced to 60% of original text with charming new title which cross references to another comment in the newswire exactly five hours before his death, and no less than forty new words which are well chosen and well placed. It has been placed in the other press section which is often carries "C&P" with comments·

you don't really understand either the medium or the media do you?
ever got shot in the leg?

by not surprised Wed Feb 23, 2005 02:55

"We in indymedia ireland know a lot about the Lebanon". WHAT A BLOODY LAUGH!!!!

You cogged this article almost word-for-word from Hariri's obituary in the Sunday Indo!!!!

Fair enough, you obviously don't know enough about Lebanon to write it yourself, but at least have the decency to credit the original author, you plagiarising twat.

So RJS's plaudit that it is "relevant, fair and precise" should actually go to the SINDO, seeing as they penned it.

That must be a first on Indymedia, describing SINDO as "relevant, fair and precise"!!!!!!

Then you tell people to go and look up the "over 80 articles on Indymedia"! How quaint. Were they plagiarised too!

by Balor Tue Feb 22, 2005 20:04

oh look the syrians are moving their troops out of Lebanon. The Syrian political strategists obviously foresaw this as a likely consequence of the assassination! Now the Lebanese opposition can come to power and establish stronger ties with Israel. So obviously it was in the interest of Assad's regime to have Harari killed.

by ,-) Mon Feb 21, 2005 22:02

on the streets of Lebanon!
who tv has not reported that tens of thousands nay millions protested Bush.
do your bit. go out on the street and protest about something or someone before it's too late.

by basking in the glory - "lucus ad non lucendum" Mon Feb 21, 2005 14:10

This inquiry will be independent to the criminal investigations and the expected inquiry by the UN which will be independent to the usual inquiries by the FBI and DGSE and Mossad and Syrian security services who are indepedent of each other.
If you'd like to help, you could try making inquiries as well, lebanese mobile phone calls were slashed last year and its very cheap to phone people there now.

by RJS Sat Feb 19, 2005 06:49

relevant, fair, concise etc.

On January 14th, 2005, Russia denied reports that it aims to sell Syria anti-aircraft and longer-range missiles.

Yesterday, Russia comes to Iran's aid, saying it believes that Teheran doesn't have a nuclear weapons project.