Saboteurs beaten up by terrier men at prestigious Midlands hunt.

by Ricky Mon Nov 15, 2004 12:53

It's just the case of more sillly city people trying to interfere in the rites of the counrty people. Don't interfere with what you don't understand. There is more balance to the actions of those associated with the hunt than the city based consumers of the land who turn up at these hunt injuring dogs and horses. Just because they have lost touch with the land and nature doesn't give them the right to stop other people.

by tracey Mon Nov 15, 2004 16:42

as a country person, i'm studying farming and living in the countryside i was interested to see this story on indymedia.
hunting damages farm land and is not an effective way of dealing with fox. its a pastime for people with horses.
i think its a relevant story, just because it doesn't interest you doesn't mean it shouldn't be on indymedia

by Worried rabbit Mon Nov 15, 2004 17:22

Leaving this particular incident aside, the bigger issue here is whether or Ciaran and his organisation believe there it is legitimate to control fox populations by any method?
If we take it as a given that they are oppposed to hunting with dogs, are they also opposed to shooting foxes, to protect lambs, hens, pheasants and other commerically reared species? Nevermind the vast number of wild species, that uncontrolled and unsustainable fox populations can decimate.
Do they feel that it is necessary to control non indigenous mink numbers in Ireland? As they are no doubt aware, the release of mink in the Irish countryside has been a major factor in the decline of a host of ground nesting birds.
Furthermore, (like some hunt sab groups) do they also want to ban fishing, the most popular hobby in Ireland and the UK?

by sarp Mon Nov 15, 2004 19:16

Ciaran , please keep posting AR stuff on indymedia. Dont let the trolls waste your time either.

by Ciaran Long - Association Of Hunt Saboteurs Mon Nov 15, 2004 19:30 pagan_animal_liberation_front at hotmail dot com

Well done, worried rabbit. You came up with some very important points there. Especially when most chickens in this country are kept in Broiler farms. Most pheasants are kept in pens until they are released to be shot. And foxes attacking lambs is pretty much a myth.
Fox hunting has nothing to do with controlling the fox population. Even the hunters have admitted that they only hunt for sport.

"Uncontrolled and unsustainable fox populations?"
That's a joke. Especially as most foxes have now moved to cities and towns because there is more food available. The fox is indigenous to Ireland. Chickens, pheasants and sheep aren't. Why should the fox population be controlled? To facilitate chicken farmers and sheep farmers? The fox population is self regulating. It'll multiply as long as there is food available. Farmers and Hunters are known to leave food for them so their population will multiply. During the Foot and Mouth era, the fox population wasn't hunted and it's numbers didn't grow. As far as I'm concerned, it's the farmers and hunters that need to be controlled.

"Nevermind the vast number of wild species, that uncontrolled and unsustainable fox populations can decimate."
What about the vast population of wild species that the uncontrolled and unsustainable shooting populations can decimate?

As for fishing..... anyone who fishes is a scumbag too. It's killing for pleasure. Anyone who can kill for sport or pleasure, whether it's hunting, shooting or fishing, is no better than someone who molests children, or rapes or murders. It's all to do with power-trips and ego boosts. It takes a mentally disturbed or just pure evil person to be able to take a life just for the enjoyment. So, yes, I do agree with banning fishing. And banning hunting. And banning shooting. And banning any other form of animal abuse.

by slugfood Mon Nov 15, 2004 19:30

this story certainly should be on indymedia. Shows up the sickness of our society (in england or wherever) and anyone having a problem with that, and imagines only "city" people despise foxhunting, has their head jammed somewhere whiffy.
Foxhunting is a sport, "enjoyed" by a mix of the rich and sadistic, and there's no defence for it. It is a good point too that we in Irealnd will probably be deluged by these scumbags once the UK law gets underway.

by worried rabbit Mon Nov 15, 2004 22:28

At least we all know what association of hunt sabs real agenda is now, its to ban anything that THEY deem to be cruel.
Can an organisation be considered credible when equates catching a fish with child abuse?
I like the way that Ciaran dodged the question about the non indigenous mink poupulation in Ireland, Do they think that mink should be allowed to multiply unchecked, and to hell with the native species?
Especially when many(not all), of the mink released from despicable fur farms, were released by those who didn't realise the damage that the introduction of mink would do to native fauna.(Worried Rabbits etc)
Like it or not some birds will be shot and eaten (I guess thats an issue with C as well), but the majority escape.
However shooting interests allow entire habitats to be preserved for the benfit of the whole ecosystem.Many of these habitatsacrossIreland have been destroyed by the farming prctices such as drainage of marshland. Probably because the humble snipe and curlew aren't cuddly foxes,Ciaran and his crew are strangely silent, while the irish countryside is destroyed by profit driven farmers.

by Ciaran Long - Alliance For Animal Rights Mon Nov 15, 2004 23:32 pagan_animal_liberation_front at hotmail dot com

Very few mink, if any, actually escape during a mink release. Very few get passed the fencing that surrounds the farm. The mink population in the wild has very little to do with ALF releases. There are loads of mink in the wild that escaped because of careless mink farmers. The Irish government should never have allowed Mink Farming in Ireland in the first place. But like everything else in this country, it boils down to greed on the governments part.
Meat-eater... what facts do you have about mink? Or are you just going along with the shite that scare mongers have come out with here and in Britian which holds absolutely no truth?
"Shooting interests allow entire habitats to be preserved for the benefit of the whole ecosystem"?..... Interesting, but bollocks!!!
As for "banning everything that is deemed to be cruel?" Yes, ban it! If there was less animal abuse, then there would be fewer sadistic bastards out there.

by MEAT-EATER Tue Nov 16, 2004 00:44

That wasnt me that said that. Like the beagles you regularly distract you are barking up the wrong tree. The person you should be addressing is "Worried rabbit". I am actually opposed to foxhunting and a bit of an environmentalist at heart, just not a crusty vegetarian.

I suggest it is your poor choice of diet which has caused you to feel dizzy and mix your facts up.

by Ciaran Long Tue Nov 16, 2004 10:35

Opps, sorry about that Meat-eater.

I'm not a vegetarian. I'm Vegan. Recent tests show that I'm healthy. And have a very low cholesterol level. Not bad for someone who has (as you put it) a poor diet.

by Grevious Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:26

These are the scumbag terrier men that did it.

by Meat-Eater Tue Nov 16, 2004 12:41

The one on the right is called Jack Russell.

by Herne Tue Nov 16, 2004 15:40

These discussion boards are great. They give no-bodies a sence of importance. Ciaran, take no notice of faceless cowards that are trying to wind you up. I'd have more respect for hunt scum who face up to you than some nerd on a computer trying to sound important by making stupid comments. Bunch of wankers.

by worried rabbit Tue Nov 16, 2004 17:00

Yeah Ciaran, you want facts about the devastation of ground nesting birds, simply investigate the massive decline in coot nubers in Ireland, directly linked to the release of mink from fur farms.
What always concerns me about the hunt sabs crew is their lack of perspective. They get excited about the control of any cuddly/trendy species,BUT they are silent about the near extinction of wild irish sea trout at the hands of Fianna Fail backed fish farms or the endangered Atlantic Salmon. Salmon numbers have collapsed as a result of over netting in the ocean and the only people who are doing anything about this are anglers, NOT the animal libs activists, who wouldn't know the difference between a salmon/sea trout and a coot!
By the way have any of you hunt sabs pricks realised that thousands of people are dieing in Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya etc etc. Get a fucking grip, save people from murder NOT foxes. Except that would be a worthwhile thing to do and hunt sabs are more interested in messing around with 'terrier men'!
This is my last post on this issue, which shouldnt even be on Indymedia, I'm now going to leave my warren and go shooting. I might even get a fox !

by Herne Tue Nov 16, 2004 17:24

Hey rabbit don't you realise there are thousands of people dying in Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya etc etc. Maybe you should get up off your hole and do something about it. You loser.
(dieing in Iraq, Palestine, Chechnya etc etc. What colour are they dieing themselves? You idiot.)
Hey Ciaran I hope the hunt sabs kick some f**king asses this year. You lot deserve a medal for the shit you have to take. I knew a load of sabs in England and I know about the knobs you come across. Hopefully foot and mouth will come back again and all the farmer scum will start committing suicide again. And the hunters, shooter and anglers and all the other wankers will have to sit at home playing scrabble. Or toss themselves off because they won't be able to cream in their pants at the sight of innocent animals being needlessly slaughtered.

by Ciaran Long Wed Nov 17, 2004 11:40

To Sgt...alias Lone Gunman...alias Sean McGovern and several other names that have appeared on the Indymedia forum.

I have no sympathy for anyone who abuses animals and gets targetted by any of the Animal Rights organisations. Intimidation of children? Nah, don't think so!!! But firebombs, beatings, destruction of property, threats and harrasment? A big boo-hoo for the abusers there!!! You've got to bear the brunt of your actions when you're an evil bastard. Evil people deserve everything they get. Brian Cass from Huntingdon Life Sciences ended up in hospital after been beaten up. He's responsible for on average of 500 animals being killed every day. I reckon he got off lightly.
Robin Webb in Ireland to address meetings? Yep, and what an amazing guy he was too. It was great to meet someone who cared so much about our fellow creatures. Pity there aren't more people as compassionate as he is.
Animal rights people are terrorist??? They only real terrorist are those who torture, kill, enslave and profit from the those who cannot speak out for themselves. Vivisectionist, shooters, hunters, anglers, farmers, badger baiters, lampers, butchers and everyone else involved in terrorism deserve to be targetted by the ALF. Animal abusers should all be thrown in prison, the key thrown away and then left there to rot.
And, as Bernie Wrights says, the Hunt Saboteurs are a peaceful organisation. There is nothing we like more than to eat our tofu sandwiches while watching a fox hunter lying paralised on the ground after been thrown off his horse because the horse has realised that there is a prick sitting on it's back.

by John K. Wed Nov 17, 2004 12:28

The arguments on both sides of this are getting sillier and sillier. Slagging each other over each others diet come on lads grow up. Ciaran you are painting ant one interested in animal welfare in a very bad light. You have got drawn into a silly argument and with every response you become less credible.

The picture of the "Terrier Men" is a classic though just proves how silly all the people involved with this thread are (including me)


Fanatic.. - Someone who won't change their mind on a subject and won't stop talking about it.

by John K. Wed Nov 17, 2004 13:26

Ciaran what exactly are the Rights of Animals and who are we to decide what they are. I believe we should have respect for animals and the world around us and that killing for sport is sick, cruel and unnessecary.

I'm just not to clear on what you mean when you say Animal Rights, is this a clear objective, can it become law, is it a state of mind ?? Does the end justify the means, perhaps, but what excatly is the end in this case.

I'd not be willing to call myself an Animal Rights unless this was clear in my mind. Animal Welfare yes but maybe that is an easy option.

Fighting for Rights??

Judith: Here! I've got an idea: Suppose you agree that he can't actually have babies, not having a womb - which is nobody's fault, not even the Romans' - but that he can have the *RIGHT* to have babies.
Francis: Good idea, Judith. We shall fight the oppressors for your RIGHT to have babies, brother... sister, sorry.
Reg: What's the *point*?
Francis: What?
Reg: What's the point of fighting for his RIGHT to have babies, when he can't have babies?
Francis: It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression.
Reg: It's symbolic of his struggle against reality.


Sorry,
I didn't have my own words

by Fergus Fri Nov 19, 2004 12:45

''Serjeant whatever'' you are an idiot shut it ,ciaran if youre still taking part in this discussion i think you have a very small grasp on this situation fishery boards do more than anyone else to keep lakes and rivers clean keep fish stocks high and breeding, limit takes, enforce the ban on killing during breeding season, keep the ecosystems unsullied and all this so their members and locals can fish and enjoy doing so, as i'm sure you have never gone fishing you cant realise that a day fishing is a day spent appreciating and respecting nature and any real fisherman will always put back his fish after photographing it ,i think that if you see the issue of animals as the defining one of the moment your efforts would be better directed against pollution and destruction of natural environments, as for the moment this is being left to organisations like the fishery boards who are in fact therefore the biggest fish savers by keeping waterways clean and enforcing responsible fishing. until you can (your base brute force tactics) remedy the ills that make fishery bodies and ghillieing groups necessary for the survival of wild fish you have no right to take away the only pay most of them get for their hard conservation work (the odd peaceful day on a boat or by a river bank) . and if you were really so moralistic you would never advocate such primitive brute force tactics dont sink as low as the state does when it deploys its riot police

by Random Fox Thu Jan 06, 2005 03:27

I'll say this. Humans are bastards period. A lot of anti anti hunt blokes like to go around and poke fun at animal rights activists groups because they're 'not as good as they say'. Fine, I give you that. Hey, I'm an animal rights activist and I'm going to be a B**** right now, I admit it, yay for me. Now, it doesn't make hunting right though. "equating hunting and child molesting on the same limit is wrong" is a good example. I was molested as a child and I'm willing to say hunting is just as bad. Why? Because the mentality I have is this, ALL people are assholes, and they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it by justifying something as 'lesser' and something else as 'more'. In the US, abusing a child will get you less than 6 months in jail at most. We justify that through 'murder is worse'.

Tell me when so many people agree to hunting animals, we don't just kill everyone else? Yeah, I'll be thankful you people went and supported blowing something's brains out because it was warm and fuzzy and couldn't beg for its life. I'll be glad because then when my children are out there being shot and child molesting laws don't even exist because murder replaced it on the 'bottom of the barrel' moral nonos list, I can say, 'hey, it was all those nice people just wanting to enjoy themselves who did this'. Thanks in advance!

by G edwards Thu Mar 31, 2005 00:42

We are supposed to be the intelligent species, yet any animal - whether it be foxes, rabits, rats, in this country or tigers, wolves coyotes etc in other countries - which causes us a "problem", our first solution seems to be to kill it! Surely, using our intelligence(?) we have the capacity to overcome most of the "problems" by fencing our livestock etc in adequately to keep predatory species out, cleaning up our world so we don't provide endless food sources for scavenger species etc. All animals, with the exception of humans, regulate their breeding in relation to the food supply so there is no danger of them consequently over-running the earth as a result - in fact, it's a pity humans aren't regulated in the same way!!