Ken Bigley Killed By Hostage Takers

by Kay Fri Oct 08, 2004 18:12

Taking Bigley's life from him, and taking him from his family was pointless and counterproductive. It was never going to secure the release of Iraqi women still held in prisons. The US/UK will only admit to holding the two mad scientist women. With a band of bloodthirsty killers holding him,and regimes who'd let him die rather than admit that they still hold a hundred Iraqi women prisoners, Mr. Bigley was caught between the bad guys and the bad guys. awful place to be...

by Don't forget Fri Oct 08, 2004 19:20

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by Noel Hogan Fri Oct 08, 2004 19:46

...somehow I doubt he signed up for this. By all accounts he was there doing a job, he's not the CEO of Enron or some corporate fuckers there to rape Iraq.

Poor guy, the only ray of hope I can see is that many people of different backgrounds came together to try and save him.

by r2d2 Fri Oct 08, 2004 20:41

I hope they catch these bastards and cut their head off

by yin-yang Fri Oct 08, 2004 22:06

Comedian Billy Connolly has been criticised after making a joke about Iraq hostage Kenneth Bigley.

He reportedly asked his audience: "Don't you just wish they would just get on with it?", at the Hammersmith Apollo theatre in London on Monday night.

by toneore Fri Oct 08, 2004 22:41

Time to send another dry drunk a message about where to stick it: http://www.billyconnolly.com/main.html

No mention in his blog. Lousy, flash-ridden site, btw.

by toneore Fri Oct 08, 2004 22:43

he's backed up. this statement is blatently untrue (same site)


STATEMENT

STATEMENT REGARDING REPORTS OF REMARKS FALSELY ATTRIBUTED TO BILLY CONNOLLY ABOUT KEN BIGLEY

Billy Connolly is angry and disgusted by reports that he joked about Ken Bigley being harmed.

Billy's stage comments were restricted to pointing out the hypocrisy of some people including sections of the media faking concern about Mr Bigleys predicament while enjoying the drama of the tragedy and exploiting it for their own ends.

Billy is saddened by any distress these false reports have caused Mr Bigley's family and he hopes that Mr Bigley returns home safely.

by toneore Fri Oct 08, 2004 22:52

Re: "Don't forget ". Ken was there to do a job to support his family. This is exactly the same shit that had provos murdering cleaners, caterers and using human bombs. shove your "real issues". Murdering a 62 year man and making a video of it. One hopes God shows mercy on his killers. I hope the 82nd Airborne don't.

by kintama Sat Oct 09, 2004 01:18

it is difficult to justify what happened to Ken however lauding the heroes of the 82nd Airborne Division adds nothing to the debate
it is the actions of these precision bombers in Fallujah and Samarra which arguably made the death of more captives inevitable
the pictures of toddlers being pulled from the rubble demonstates that they have nothing to offer except a perpeptuation of the cycle of death
it could be however that you believe that they really have only targeted gunmen or perhaps you can accept that the deaths of Iraqi children is ok if you also get some of the 'bad guys' if as I suspect this is true then shame on you for you dishonour the memory of Ken Bigley

by Archbishop Hynes - OMA Sat Oct 09, 2004 01:35

It is sad that all has been in vain in trying to save the live of Ken. I have to thank Dermot Ahern TD for his great effort in granting Ken Irish Citizenship. We should pray now that Ken has gone to a better place as he has done much suffering for his sins. We are all sinners and need God's love and mercy.

Let us pray God will help Kens family to cope with such loss. Again thank you Dermot for his well intended efforts to save Kens life which sadly were in vain

by toneore Sat Oct 09, 2004 02:42

You have no interest in honouring anyone's memory. Like the rest of the apologists for terror around, ready to blame the Americans, and criticise the rest of us for not being able to see "th big picture", bear in mind that in a real 4th Reich of IIslam you would probably be the first to go:.

Here's your brave freedom fighters (http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=570385), "justified" because the brave Irish Americans of the 82nd and 101st deposed a dictator:

"The ordeal that has put an ordinary Liverpudlian family under a global spotlight was concluded in two minutes of videotape. In the familiar format of grainy digital footage, six hooded kidnappers from the Tawhid and Jihad group (Unity and Holy War) stood around Mr Bigley as he knelt on the floor. He was dressed in the same orange jumpsuit, a parody of the clothing worn by Guantanamo Bay detainees, and which he wore a week earlier to make a shaking, desperate 11-minute plea to Tony Blair for his life.

This time, it was to his captors themselves ­ led by the Jordanian extremist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi ­ that Mr Bigley begged for his life, turning to them in front of the black and gold sunburst banner of Tawhid and Jihad.

One of the captors then spoke in Arabic for a minute. Adopting the rhetoric of men who like to call themselves "God's soldiers," the kidnapper announced he planned to carry out "the sentence of execution against this hostage".

The man then took a knife from his belt and stepped forward to decapitate Mr Bigley. Three others held him down. "

Some heroes, huh? As usual, the Irish Islamic socitety rings it hands and hides behind the infallability of anti-racism.

by Nordie Sat Oct 09, 2004 02:57

'bear in mind that in a real 4th Reich of IIslam you would probably be the first to go:.'


right enough Tone mate, if the US doesn't go around the world starting wars and blowing up weddings then Al'Qaeda will take over the West.

by chumps4chomsky Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:09 chumps4chomsky at yahoo dot com

That's an Irish passport holder, the son of an Irish mother, whose murder you're explaining away with your petulant student polemics.

The sooner the US, whether its led by Bush or Kerry, catches Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and Osama Bin Laden alive, tries them and sends them to the Electric Chair in the US, the better. Now
THAT would be a video worth posting on the web.

Hopefully, it will be Irish Americans in the Army who captures them and we can all be proud.

by chumps4chomsky Sat Oct 09, 2004 11:28 chumps4chomsky at yahoo dot com

Nail the bastards


http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2-2004470401,00.html

AN SAS hit team was last night hunting down the barbaric killers of Ken Bigley.

The troops and America’s crack Delta Force were ordered: “Nail the bastards” after Ken, 62, was beheaded in Iraq.

They were closing in on the town of Latifiya, 22 miles south west of Baghdad, where Liverpool engineer Ken is thought to have been killed.

Intelligence officers at Britain’s GCHQ believe they have identified the area where butcher Abu Musab al-Zarqawi is holed up.



Zarqawi is believed to have personally executed Ken and two Americans snatched with him last month.

An SAS rescue unit has been on standby in Baghdad for a fortnight.


Communications between the kidnappers and al-Qaeda sympathisers have been intercepted.

Delta Force — America’s counter-terrorist equivalent of the SAS — are leading the operation which has already swooped on 70 members of Zarqawi’s group.

by - Sat Oct 09, 2004 12:07

poopoopunters, Osama began AlQ with 2,000,000$ of which he gave 30,000$ to Zarqwuark. There is over ten years in the difference between the two men.
If and when either or both are caught, tried, executed, another younger man will step into their shoes with probably less money and carry on...
The invasion of Iraq was a mistake. It saw the US attack the hornet's nest at the bottom of Europe's garden with a baseball bat.

And since then we have seen the price in blood and oil go through the roof, and the erosion of our democratic values. And finally we learn that an Irish peace loving passport isn't worth the gaeilge, after all.

Thank you Mr Bush and all those spineless wonders who supported his personal campaign against Saddam. At least his personal business of oil production hasn't been adversely affected.

by Al Sun Oct 10, 2004 02:09

Is there any chance you could put down your America worshipping or America bashing sticks for a moment and try to remember that an innocent man just went through a painful and horrible death. Christ, I cant believe people are downloading the video of this, what kind of person wants to watch a video like that?
By the way, Im curious to know how a person was granted an Irish passport without even applying for one. Who said he wanted an Irish passport?

by kintama Sun Oct 10, 2004 02:54

it is not anyone bashing to point out the hypocrisy of using the reprehensible slaughter of a captive to suggest that his murderers are more inhuman than those who slaughter children daily and pretend it isnt happening.
the Taquba report on Abu Ghraib highlights this hypocrisy starkly. the report nonchalantly states that US captors videoed and photographed dead Iraqi captives but neglected to explain how they met their deaths. It must be assumed that some have suffered as cruelly as captives held by Iraqi 'guards' so the only difference is that one side releases videos and the other side only uses them for their own gratification.
So if the chaps of the SAS must go in to sort things out then nail all the bastards

by Nordie Sun Oct 10, 2004 17:29

Please answer, Chumps/Toneore: America blowing up Muslim children all the time is

a) Less likely to inspire Muslims to decapitate Westerners?

Or

b) More likely to inspire Muslims to decapitate Westerners?

by Devil Dog Sun Oct 10, 2004 17:36

Probably neither - Zarqawi and his boys really don't need much prompting.

Do you believe "America" is deliberately targetting civilians?

by nailchumpy Sun Oct 10, 2004 17:42

I see "Toneore"/"Chump" is a Sun reader. That figures. I have see his site, and it does stoop to the same level.

by Nordie Sun Oct 10, 2004 17:57

Aye, right enough lad, the people who do these decapitations are just born from the ethereal universe and come to Earth to cut people's head's off and there's no making off them or anything. The murder of their brother's and sister's and mother's and father's and friend's and children and fellow countrymen has nothing at all to do with the making of a monster whatsoever. And another thing – Zarqawi’s group are the only one’s like that and there isn’t ten’s of thousand’s more wishing they could do it too and once Zarqawi goes that’ll be the end of it because life is like a Hollywood movie or a computer game.

I believe that the US doesn't give a fuck for civilians because the US is god and can waste people's life's if it want's. If you fire a missile into a family home or a wedding it's murder in my book. How about yours? Non-murder? Hummm? Or would it just be murder if the other side done it?

And ca'mere, ca'mere, tell me with a straight face that American missiles and bullet's ripping apart whole families (as they done last week in Samarra when they non-murdered a Mother and 5 of her children when they riddled her car and left a 2 year old girl, the only survivor of the family, badly burned.) doesn't anger Muslim's and is less likely to lead to decapitations. Go on. Because I know you do genuinely believe that.

by Sean Dempsey Sun Oct 10, 2004 19:14

Where is the condemnation from Indymedia Ireland?
The cheerleaders of the terrorists on this site are suddenly very quiet. Why?
A poor innocent man was savagely and brutally murdered by faceless cowards.
Al-Zaqawi and vermon like him are murdering good people like Bigley who have come to Iraq to help the people rebuild their country after years of Saddam's brutal regime.
Thousands of people have been murdered in daily bombings since 2003 by evil terrorists who seek to replace a fascist tyranny with Islamic fundementalist lunacy.

Where is your outrage?
where is your condemnation of terrorism?
Where is your unequivocal support for freedom and democracy in Iraq?

Shame!
Shame on you all who side with terrorism!

by DD Sun Oct 10, 2004 19:27

Zarqawi is Jordanian...

UBL and 15/19 9//1 hijackers were middle-class Saudis....yep, they all suffered real heavily from western oppression...Jaysus, AQ are still going on about Islam losing Spain in 1492....

by Nordie Sun Oct 10, 2004 20:31

I do realise one shouldn't look upon the non-murder of a woman and her family with any sense of unrighteousness at all because you could be accused of something awful like having a moral viewpoint on such silly little things. You will forgive us stupid people who do though, won't you? There’s a good chap.

Zarqawi is the only one involved in the beheadings and all, isn't he? And he's actually of Palestinian origin, a child of Palestinian refugees. Probably made him a tad bitter towards the old US and her friends. Probably helped him form his deep hatred of the West just slightly, no?

What was the point of your argument there anyway? That the non-murder of Arab's by the US, Israel and co doesn't tend to affect other Arabs in quite a negative way? Well let me tell you a wee secret - it does. It just simply does. Mad, but there you go.

by zippy Sun Oct 10, 2004 20:36

The idea is to keep those we consider to be representing us in line, to make sure those representing our value systems dont end up committing evil in the name of our safety in the pursuit of profits for themselves, you dont complain about those you consider as not representing you, the terrorists never said they were committing atrocities in our name or for our safety. Our leaders are meant to be democratic and accountable, so we should hold them to it, those who dont even pretend to be democratic, well try and work it out for yourself, they have nothing to do with us. But sure you know all this already you just want a reaction so you can vomit out some righteous indignation, well off you go. Thank you and enjoy your vitriol

by eeekkkk Sun Oct 10, 2004 21:01

Hiel Hiel USA? His death is a shameful waste of human life as are the deaths of 1000+ US troops and 10's of 1000's of Iraqi Civilians and troops - all dead for an illegal war pursued despite the will of the majority of the planet by a reckless and extremist US administration who desire to control the planet by controlling natural resources. Is his death more important than others because it was quicktimed? I don't think so.

by An Púca Sun Oct 10, 2004 21:27 flannbui at yahoo dot com

Séan why do people with closed minds allways have open mouths? Just because people on this website are anti war / anti Bush does not mean that we support Al Quedia or any of its satelite groups. The person in this country who did the most to try and secure Mr. Bigleys release was Michael D. Higgins T.D. for the Labour party. Mr. Higgins had talks with the Bigley family, appealed to his kidnappers for Mr. Bigleys release and even offered to go to Iraq to negotiate this. Mr Higgins' views on Palestine, Afghanistan and Iraq are well known does that make him pro Al Queida just like the rest of us? By the way Séan what efforts did you make to try and secure Mr. Bigleys release?

Throughout Mr. Bigleys abduction the Irish People and the Irish State were constantly called on to negotiate with Mr. Bigleys captors because of our "Neutrality", our "Opposition to the war" and our being "in favour of the underdog" not to mention Mr.Bigleys right to Irish citizenship. However due to the Government's allowing the U.S.Military to use Shannon Airport and our inclusion in Mr.Bush,s "Coalition of the Willing" we can no longer be regarded as "in favour of the underdog" or as "neutral" Perhaps if this state's neutrality was intact and not arranged to suit U.S. Foreign policy Mr. Bigleys captors would have been more willing to release unharmed a "Neutral Civilian."

Séan do you not find it unnerving that One White European is brutaly murdered and the whole world reacts and 500,000 Iraqi children (U.N. Figure) die from starvation and cureable diseases during U.S. sanctions on Iraq and there was hardly a whimper? Surely not a measured response. Please dont rant at us listen to what we have to say dont project any bias and give us your thoughts in a rational manner we are prepared to hear your point of view. If you didnt rant and logically explained your views you never know you might actually convince someone. However my opinions remain unchanged by tour comment. Thank you for reading.

Is míse
An Púca
(Not an Al Quedia Supporter)

by Sean Dempsey Sun Oct 10, 2004 21:27

What kind of sick twisted mind would write such putrid garbage?
"Heil Heil USA"?
In what universe is the USA comparible to villany and tryanny of Adolf Hitler?

Who "wasted" Bigley's life?
Al-Zarqawi did. He MURDERED him!
Who wasted the lives of the brave men and women of the U.S. Army and the brave men who are joining the new Iraqi Army in their thousands?
Al-Qaida and the thug Al-Sadr's Medhi Army extremist fanatics!

"illegal war pursued despite the will of the majority of the planet"
Is it illegal to free millions of Iraqis from the tyranny of Saddam?? The will of who?
China? A Communist dictatorship?
Russia? Putin's so-called Russian Federation where the people's will is respected?
Syria? Another Baathist disctatorship?
France? A spineless nation of cheese eating surrander monkey's?
Millions of useful idiots who marched in the streets in defence of Saddam crying "Not In My Name"?

Is Bigley's death important?

What more proof of the nihilism of Islamic terrorism do you need?
What more proof do you need that American defeat in Iraq means dooming Iraq and the Middle East and the entire world to a new dark age?

You belittle Bigley and thousands of heroes like him you gave their lives for YOUR freedom!

So SHAME on you!

by kintama Sun Oct 10, 2004 23:43

ho hum Sean I suggest you calm down and go back to watching reruns of the Green Berets and reading back copies of the Lion and the Victor

by Archbishop Hynes Sun Oct 10, 2004 23:43

Two wrongs never make a right. Life is too short for fighting. I hope that Ken Bigley is in heaven. Pray for peace in the world and we all should love our neighbours as ourselves.

It is a cruel world as there is so much suffering. We all have to cope with it whethere we like it or not. We now have to look ahead and avoid further catastrophies.

by Steven Danner Mon Oct 11, 2004 19:26

The hypocisy of you people is unbe-feckin-levable. Sun reading bufoons, tabloid scum sucking whores that get sucked into the media's whirpool of hype.

Children are being killed in Iraq everyday - how much coverage do the tabloids give that? I actually saw a report on Sky news last week that a beheaded body was found but "thankfully it wasn't Ken Bigley". It was someone for Christs sake!

As horrific as Ken Bigley's death was and as despicable as his killers are, he was a grown adult who decided to go to Iraq. He knew the risks, as all Westerners working there know them. The children who were blown up while being given sweets by the U.S. troops had no such choice, yet all they were granted were a couple of column inches then the incident was forgotten about. This is happening every day in Iraq, people.

Connolly made a cruel joke, and probably phrased it wrong, but the jist was evident. FACT: the tabloid media loved exploiting this story. FACT: tabloid exploitation was exactly the sort of media terrorism Zarqawi hoped for. FACT: none of you, apart from family or friends, will make any mention of Bigley a year from now. FACT: you'll be smothered by the next exploitative tabloid story.

Shame on you.

by hats off Tue Oct 12, 2004 21:27

in today's irish times, kevin myers says it was wrong to give bigley an irish passport, which essentially involved ireland in the problem and would have put us at risk of threats, ransom demands etc.

just wondered what others here thought of that...

by Nordie Tue Oct 12, 2004 21:55

Kevin Myers just wants to be different than everone else.

by Robert Wed Oct 13, 2004 19:04 Canada

I just hate muslims from now on and forever. All of them. Something needs to be done about the muslim-problem.
Time for an updated Wannsee conference.

by kintama Wed Oct 13, 2004 23:30

an enlightening unburdening of your innermost thoughts. you should move immediately to the US and prepare at once for the highest office, those yearning for unbridled world domination need you.

by Bill Thu Oct 14, 2004 12:52

Billy Connolly is a self-regarding tosser who stopped being funny over a decade ago and should be beheaded himself for allowing his wife to write those dreadful books about him.

by Bill - (The original and best) Fri Oct 15, 2004 01:04

I have posted several comments under my name over the past week, and ocasionally over the past few months. In case anyone thinks the previous comment is inconsistent with my previous stated views you would be right, the "Bill" above is not me, I never call for people to be beheaded and I do not insult people on the basis of their appearance or physical characteristics.

by Nordie Fri Oct 15, 2004 01:09

Aye, I've seen my name used a few times by some right-wingers this past while.