Alliance for Bush to issue welcome to US President

by pc Thu Jun 24, 2004 20:16

who's in afb and who does it represent...

by .:.ipsiphi.:. Thu Jun 24, 2004 21:22

But they have just insulted all those who fought for American Values, Liberty and Democracy since D Day 60 years ago.

They have ignored the liberation of Belsen.

They have ignored the Korean War and all the wonderful Alan Alder MASH series.

& They have ignored the Vietnam war.

Bush's presidency has not secured the Western World, and it is most likely that the attack by Islamic Fundamentalists on the city of Madrid which killed almost 200 people, and injured many thousands more, would not have occured had the White House adopted a different post 911 strategy.

The USA and the Western Alliance now face problems of unprecedented global credibility due to the revelations of sanctioned torture, an enabling act in the USA has eroded civil and political liberties there, and yet some would still think "this is all for the best?".

Welcome to Ireland, Caesar.
We are Irish and core Europeans Union citizens. We hold the global imperial right, to tell you-

Your policies have endangered all that we hold to be self-evident.
.:. Liberté .:. Fraternité .:. Egalité .:.

(link to the Merrovinginvanjan Boss, Jacques René Chirac's encounter with the Chiefs of Native American Indians at the Eylsée yesterday the 23rd of June 2004. Go and read about Blackfoot, Pierced nose, and Micmac. Micmac stood in for the Native American peoples at the state funeral of Ronnie Reagan recently, and looks really funky in his feathers and beads. You will note that the Merrovinginvanjan Boss is smiling.
you don't often see that. Oh well Bertie get's the cheeseburgers)

by ipsiphi - liberté Thu Jun 24, 2004 21:31

we are exercising our imperial right as citizens of Western Civilisation to say
what we say.
We are not "allowed" say what we say
by American or British Power, Let or Leave.

We are beholden by our our own citizenship to uphold our duty to protect our values.

Values that this President has not convinced anyone he is properly protecting.
goto link to see "the Cage", as used by those nasty Japanese and Vietnamese types.
And now as used by Americans at the cost of Human Rights, the Geneva Convention and the Self Respect and HONOR of the United States of America and her Allies and Friends.

by Chris bond Fri Jun 25, 2004 01:11

I find it appauling that you compare disapproval of George Bush and anti war sentiment with the hatred in NI during the troubles.You sicken me,you have sunken to a new low.How dare you insult the majority of irish people like that..

So GWB did help to remove a dictator like sadaam.But didnt George Bush senior support hussain during the Iran-Iraq war by giving him the biological weapons of mass destruction.Corrupt Regiemes with terrible human rights records exist also in Nigeria,Saudi arabia,China and North Korea. The reason why George Bush does not have any problem with them is because these are friends of american business.The morals of the Bush adminstration have always been in their pockets.Thats why people in this country are sending out a message of protest when he arrives.

It`s laughable that ireland a "neutral" country is giving logistical support to a country that is taking part in a war that is in breach of international law.

There was no other motivation behind the War in Iraq but oil.Only the ignorant would fall for the excuse that the americans wanted to remove the "Weapons of mass destruction". Weapons which given to saddam by american companies with the approval of the US govenrment and weapons which Donald Rumsfield made his fortune on. The fact that the americans persisted with the war after UN inspection teams had subsequently destroyed all chemical and biological weapons is even more laughable.

by Chris bond Fri Jun 25, 2004 01:16

The Arab world does not have the monopoly on denying oridinary people of the benefits of their wealth. Look at america, one of the worlds strongest economies, yet there are more people over there living below the poverty line than in any other OECD country.Services such as healthcare and education in america are exclusive to those who can afford them.

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Fri Jun 25, 2004 01:36

I liked the bit about the "unelected dictators"

by Bush'04 - Alliance for Bush Fri Jun 25, 2004 13:45

The following is the text of the letter which will be delivered to the US embassy later today by the Alliance for Bush on behalf of the people of Ireland.
Dublin, June 25th, 2004

Mr. President, A Chara,

This weekend you come to Ireland, a country that has a long and turbulent history, and a country whose people more than most others know what it means to suffer under the constant threat of terrorism.

In recent years, this nation, once at the brink of bankruptcy, and torn by the ravages of a conflict in the North that threatened the very existence of the state, has evolved into a modern, thriving democracy, that now has the honor of hosting you as the leader of the free world at a summit which will serve only to strengthen the essential relationship between your great nation and the continent whose people built it.

We in Ireland should never forget the unconditional hospitality afforded to those who left our shores for yours in search of a better future for themselves and their families. Many of their descendants went on to become an integral part of the Great Nation your country has evolved into. Only last month you showed that America has not lost its great welcoming tradition when you signed an amnesty for illegal immigrants in your country, showing the world that America, despite facing the greatest threat to its borders in history, retains the great sense of compassion that has afforded so many people from so many of the worlds Nations a chance to live the American Dream.

The American Dream, if it is not too great a cliché, has always been about Freedom. From it’s own struggle for freedom from Great Britain, your Nation learned that people denied the chance to express themselves, denied hope, and above all, denied democracy and freedom, can never be happy. Thus, America was founded on the notion that all men are created equal, and that all men should be given the same chance to live as they so desire.

Those who oppose your visit can never understand the rational for your decision in March last year to move against a dictator who denied freedom to his own people, and had sought to deny it to others. They do not understand that the wish to liberate comes from the great American understanding that oppression leads to desperation, and that only free men can be happy.

They who stand in alliance against you, at home and abroad, point to what they term was a diversion from the fight against Osama Bin Laden, stating in the surety of their own perceived intellectual superiority that what US policy in Iraq does is to add fuel to the fire of Arab discontent. They allege that there was no link between Iraq and Mr. Bin Laden. How wrong they are.

For years, Mr. President, your country’s name has been blackened by tin pot dictators who grew fat off trade with you, while denying the benefit of that trade to their own people. These same men then turned to the people of their nations and told them that it was the West, - America, which was to blame. They, in their corruption, their brutality, and their evil, became the fuel that fed the hungry ranks of terrorist groups who lied to young men and told them that paradise awaited them if they took innocent lives for a cause that was never their own.

You understand, Mr. President, as we do, that in order to defeat Al-Quaeda, their support base must be destroyed. Al-Quaeda understands this as well, - that is why they are in Iraq at this moment. Al-Quaeda runs from democracy. It cannot withstand the light it shines into the lives of ordinary people who find that freedom satisfies the hunger the terrorists seek to thrive on. Witness how the mere whisper of democracy has driven Al-Quaeda from the plains of Afghanistan to the freezing mountains of the Pakistani border, amongst the most inhospitable places on earth, in the same manner that the rising sun dispels darkness to the most inhospitable places.

A free and democratic Iraq will leave Osama with no lie left to hide behind. His myths, which he uses to encourage children to explode themselves, will be rubbished. He knows, as you know, that Iraq is the Battlefield for the heart of the Middle East. He knows, as you know, that he must win it if he is to survive. But to him, victory means an Iraq where people are afraid to express dissent. It means an Iraq where women and children are denied basic human rights, and where those who do not practice Islam are forced to convert or die.

In Abu Ghraib jail, the soulless monument to terror built by Saddam, we have seen of late what happens when authority runs wild. But we did not need those terrible events to happen to learn that lesson. We saw it in Afghanistan under the taliban, we see it in Cuba under Castro, and we saw it in Belsen under Hitler. Under you, however, those responsible are facing the rigors of the justice system and will not be allowed to threaten their fellow man again. Under Saddam, things were different.

Today, the people of Iraq are on the brink of a historic moment, when power will be returned to the people from whom Saddam stole it all those years ago. Once again, America is showing the world that it has no interest in being an Imperial power. We find it beyond credibility that no matter how often history repeats itself; people still refuse to believe that fact.

Mr. President, we would like to take this opportunity to thank you for the leadership you have shown. You and your successors will always have a special place in the hearts of the significant majority of Irish people who know that America has always been Irelands truest friend.

Cead mile, mile, fáilte romhat.

Is Sinne,

by BigMac Fri Jun 25, 2004 14:12

Who are these reptiles speaking on behalf of me and the Irish people?

by Guesser Fri Jun 25, 2004 14:20

The Freedom Institue.
Waghorne 'have a coke and a smile' (whilst killing a Colombian trade unionist) and his ilk.

by Anarchist Dalek Fri Jun 25, 2004 14:24

Bzzt! Bzzt! Warning! Warning! Factually incorrect right-wing drivel posted on alternative newswire source! The latest in a series of highly questionable posts allowed up on the server under the mantle of "free speech"! Delete! Delete!

by emma goldman Fri Jun 25, 2004 15:08

What sort of anarchist are you? Why should this be deleted? This is what the Bolsheviks did to me and my friends.

by Citizen Protester Fri Jun 25, 2004 15:48

Didn't anyone teach you Dickheads in the CIA that over here we spell honour HONOUR and not HONOR. (Line 2, paragraph 2).
You're fired!

by crosspost watcher Fri Jun 25, 2004 15:49

I'm sure it will be deleted as a 'cut & paste' whenever they find out where it was already posted from.
This place is for ORIGINAL articles, provided they stay within the guidelines

by R.W. N Fri Jun 25, 2004 16:09

"Didn't anyone teach you Dickheads in the CIA that over here we spell honour HONOUR and not HONOR. (Line 2, paragraph 2).
You're fired!"

Yes this is the CIA, they care that much, get a life. Its a lovely day, get out in the sun and away from that computer.

by Anarchist Dalek Fri Jun 25, 2004 16:13

The issue is not that the article is being censored or Richard Waghorne is being silenced, its just that it should be cleared off Indymedia. If he wants to put this stuff on the web then he is more than welcome to set up his own independent right wing media resource. Nobody would deny him that right. If people dont agree with the rules and guidelines here then they should be free to set up their own site.

Editors, please remove this post!

by New-boy?? - None Fri Jun 25, 2004 17:59

I think the article has to stay, It's totally against everything I believe in and made me feel pretty angry, but this is an indy media site and if we start censoring articles we don't like it becomes like all the rest! So read it and if you disagree with it that strongly enogh go write a better letter.

Bring it on!
The revolution a comin!

by Indymedia Ireland Editorial Group - Indymedia Ireland Fri Jun 25, 2004 22:33

Cut and pastes are clearly against our editorial guidelines. Could someone supply me with a URI for the source of this and I'll delete it.

Our posting guidelines mean that we may delete cut and pastes in order to prevent the dilution of original news reportage with non-original, plagiarised content. For more information see:

by John McGuirk - Alliance for Bush Fri Jun 25, 2004 22:45 jmcguirk at freedominst dot org 086 083 2011

This article was posted by a spokeperson this morning on my authority. It is not a cut and paste. Search if you will, but you will only find two other copies online, at politics.ie and freedominst.org. Both posted AFTER this.

by Grey Blocker Fri Jun 25, 2004 23:01

OK, can people now ignore whether or not it was 'cut and pasted' and focus on the claim that this small group represents the people of Ireland. That claim is clearly absurd. they are an tiny elitist and ultra-conservative group with even less credibility than the PD's - and that takes some doing!
In the context of Irish politics they are totally irrelevant. We should be falling about laughing at them rather than debating whether they are in breach of the guidelines.

by pc Sat Jun 26, 2004 00:58

posted on freedominst.org.
must be one of them guys

by xman Sat Jun 26, 2004 03:06

according to freedominst.org these are the signatories:

John P. McGuirk
Richard Waghorne
John F. Lalor
M.J. Griffen
Mark J. Coughlan
Fintan Lalor
Michael J. Kelly
Andrew Byrne
Harold Johnston
Francis Rafferty
Hugh F. Duffy
Aisling Keelan
Gerard Richmond
Suzanna E. Warner
Holly J. Thatcher
Sandra Ward

No Philip O'Sullivan there, I was surprised to see-he's usually up to his neck in these things.

by in the know Sat Jun 26, 2004 09:40

that letter you sent to the embassy
is now been chucked in to the waste paper bin for recycle

by Justin Morahan - Peace People Sat Jun 26, 2004 13:10

How dare you write this letter in the name of the people of Ireland - write in your own name.
And how dare you call George W Bush "the leader of the free world."
He wasn't even elected as the leader of the United States of America.
What is this "free world" you're talking about.
Guantanamo? the new Abu Ghraib? the prisons of the USA where uncovicted prisoners can be trussed and shackled, sat upon by a team of soldiers (like Kathy Kelly was)? The press conferences where an obedient media touch the forelock (when allowed) to a President who cannot be accused of any wrongdoing, and who gets into a state of near-apoplexy when a braver Irish woman journalist tries to do what all journalists should do?
Or maybe you're talking about the US Defence Services? - in this morning's interview on FM106 Jimmy Massey, an honourably discharged US Marine, described how he saw 3 wounded Iraqi citizens returned from surgery, still alive, to the pavement where they died, because the US surgeons said there was nothing more they could do for them. He was sent home when he complained and given a psychiatric examination. Do you need to hear more?
As one of "the people of Ireland" I unsubscribe from your sickening letter.

by Crumbs Sun Jun 27, 2004 04:01

Well done! It's about time you excercised your right to free speech and gave these commie-loving indymedia pinkos a taste of just what the silent majority thinks!